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Minoa
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Minoa » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:46 am

Archipelago Bay wrote:The economy was stimulated through tax cuts which raised the debt in order to temporarily boost GDP. In the long run however these tax cuts are bad for America's economy

I think it was COVID-19 that ultimately ruined Trump’s low-tax economic plan. It is tempting to lower taxes to attract investment, until one realises that the money for the budget (especially for his wall plan) has to come from somewhere, and if foreign nations like Mexico will not pay for it, then who will?

Looking ahead, I think Donald Trump is going to really invest in his make-believe alternative universe where he is still the president and he is worshipped by nearly everyone… wait a minute, that is becoming like CWCville in the Sonichu webcomic, where its author believes that the city actually exists, and the author is their all-powerful mayor who is only challenged by pre-determined enemies that they can defeat in the most pedestrian ways.
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Ex-Nation

Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:54 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
2 to 3 percent growth is not a boom. We really should stop using the word to mean "nearest thing to a boom we're likely to see in our lifetimes" because the downsides of hardly ever having recessions any more, are that any recessions will be a thundering avalanche of shit. And there aren't any booms.

It's good, really. Recessions are particularly bad for the poor, so of course booms are particularly good for the rich. To hell with booms.

Aside from the frustration that the economic recovery as usual worked better for those better off than those not, the whole idea of the recovery was not to rely on booms and their inevitable busts but instead build a steady and sustainable growth and it worked, being robust enough to continue through Obama's terms and well into Trumps where he kept doing his best to dismantle it. It'd be great if we could keep the robustness and find a way for it to work for those at the bottom as a priority and not an after thought.


Why "the economy" should grow any faster than population, I've never understood. Maybe it's so each individual gets a little richer than the year before, and feels good about that. But that begs the question, wouldn't it be far better to have zero economic growth (by population) and make most of the population significantly happier every year, at the expense of the rich (who will barely notice the difference)? Economic growth society-wide is very plainly failing to make poor people or even lower-middle-class people any richer or happier.

Robust economy with no recessions, whatever the GDP growth, is easy to compromise on.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:59 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Aside from the frustration that the economic recovery as usual worked better for those better off than those not, the whole idea of the recovery was not to rely on booms and their inevitable busts but instead build a steady and sustainable growth and it worked, being robust enough to continue through Obama's terms and well into Trumps where he kept doing his best to dismantle it. It'd be great if we could keep the robustness and find a way for it to work for those at the bottom as a priority and not an after thought.


Why "the economy" should grow any faster than population, I've never understood. Maybe it's so each individual gets a little richer than the year before, and feels good about that. But that begs the question, wouldn't it be far better to have zero economic growth (by population) and make most of the population significantly happier every year, at the expense of the rich (who will barely notice the difference)? Economic growth society-wide is very plainly failing to make poor people or even lower-middle-class people any richer or happier.

Robust economy with no recessions, whatever the GDP growth, is easy to compromise on.

I mean, I'm a big fan of sustainability and inclusivety over short term gains. I'd take that over watching Bezos and Musk drag race over the worlds richest douchenozzle.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Visayan Islands » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:12 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Ranoria wrote:Another quote pre-riot from Trump...“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”


Then again, his lawyer explicitly called to hang Pence (and the Magats brought a gallows) - and his GOP cronies shared things like these online:

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:35 am

Some quick maffs suggests that we have written over 240,000 posts on this wretched human being and his disastrous adventure in running a country. I would like to say good riddance, but we are far from rid of Donald John Trump.
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The Fortem
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Postby The Fortem » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:39 am

Goodbye MAGAThread. Hello "No Malarkey" Thread.
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:44 am

The Fortem wrote:Goodbye MAGAThread. Hello "No Malarkey" Thread.

Hey, I'm glad to see this end.
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Cannot think of a name
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:45 am

The Fortem wrote:Goodbye MAGAThread. Hello "No Malarkey" Thread.

The fact that there won't be a Biden thread is such an indication that we no longer have a president that makes everything about him.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Gravlen » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:46 am

The Fortem wrote:Goodbye MAGAThread. Hello "No Malarkey" Thread.

*Thread died five pages in*
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:48 am

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:51 am

Gravlen wrote:*Thread died five pages in*

Maybe this is a good thing, we won't have to split our hairs or mellow in cynicism every time the President does something anymore.
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Cannot think of a name
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:05 am

Man, nothing really puts Trump in context like running clips of inauguration speeches in a row starting at Kennedy. Peace, unity, Americans regardless, hope, the future...CARNAGE
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:22 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Fortem wrote:Goodbye MAGAThread. Hello "No Malarkey" Thread.

The fact that there won't be a Biden thread is such an indication that we no longer have a president that makes everything about him.

Wait till he appears in public wearing a tan suit.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:38 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Man, nothing really puts Trump in context like running clips of inauguration speeches in a row starting at Kennedy. Peace, unity, Americans regardless, hope, the future...CARNAGE

They opened Morning Joe doing just that. Really illustrated what an aberrant POTUS Trump was from the get go.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:40 am

Ifreann wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:The fact that there won't be a Biden thread is such an indication that we no longer have a president that makes everything about him.

Wait till he appears in public wearing a tan suit.

I'm sure he'll break into a Grandpa Simpson story at some point that will suck up all the oxygen for a bit.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:43 am

Jerzylvania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Man, nothing really puts Trump in context like running clips of inauguration speeches in a row starting at Kennedy. Peace, unity, Americans regardless, hope, the future...CARNAGE

They opened Morning Joe doing just that. Really illustrated what an aberrant POTUS Trump was from the get go.

Joe has spent the time since looking at the live feed going, "That guy shouldn't be here. This guy sure has a lot of fucking balls to show his face. Super fuck that guy..." Which has been kind of entertaining.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Rusozak » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:55 am

Thank God it's over.
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:59 am

Rusozak wrote:Thank God it's over.

A few minutes before schedule, but yes; it is over.
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:04 am

I am Locking this thread as Trump is no longer President of the United states. For those who wish to talk about American Politics viewtopic.php?f=20&t=497186&start=2450
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