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Salus Maior wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:There is a bit of a difference; BLM can make the case, pretty damn convincingly imo, that the Justice system, as represented by say a court house, has systematically discriminated against people of colour and caused them irreparable harm in the form of mass incarceration, murder, etc.

Occupying or rioting in a court house is therefore at least understandable.

By contrast, the Capitol Hill riot had absolutely zero basis; their argument was not backed up by any serious evidence, their motivations were entirely nefarious in that they were planning on overturning a democratic election. They went into the building chanting things like "death to Pence," came equipped with zap strap handcuffs and constructed a gallows outside.

Nuance is a thing; we should be able to identify the differences in these events without resorting to this stupid "both sides" narrative.

You're right that there really isn't any solid evidence that the election was a fraud, but that's not what the rioters believe. They're not doing this cynically.

They have a sincere belief, baseless or no, that the election is "stolen" and that the government and the people who make up it are irredeemably corrupt. So, in the same vein of BLMers acting in the belief (again, baseless or no) that destroying courthouses makes a statement about their dissatisfaction with the justice system, Trumpers saw occupying Capitol Hill in a revolutionary act as making a statement about their dissatisfaction with the government and its perceived corruption. Which, of course, the idea that Washington is irredeemably corrupt has existed well before Trump, and played a big role in his election in the first place as Trump was supposed to "drain the swamp" if you remember.

Jedi Council wrote: and should not mean we necessarily need to treat them in the same manner as BLM.

Salus Maior wrote:

Jedi Council wrote: and should not mean we necessarily need to treat them in the same manner as BLM.

I don't know about "we", but the police and security forces obviously should.

Jedi Council wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
I don't know about "we", but the police and security forces obviously should.

You know full well what I meant; try to be less transparent when your spinning something, it takes more effort but it's worth it.

Salus Maior wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:You know full well what I meant; try to be less transparent when your spinning something, it takes more effort but it's worth it.

I edited in a clarification on my last post if you want to read it.

I wasn't talking about BLM as a whole, anyway. I was talking about violent rioters, which of course aren't the whole of BLM in the same way that the Capitol Hill rioters aren't the whole of Trumpers.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Really going around on this again?

Jedi Council wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:Really going around on this again?

The both sides narrative is strong; it makes people feel edgy and morally superior.

Jedi Council wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
I edited in a clarification on my last post if you want to read it.

I wasn't talking about BLM as a whole, anyway. I was talking about violent rioters, which of course aren't the whole of BLM in the same way that the Capitol Hill rioters aren't the whole of Trumpers.

I never stated they were the entirety of Trump supporters, however it must be said that per 538 45%, a plurality, of Republicans supported the Seige.

One can disapprove of violence and rioting, but also point out that one side has actual grievances that need to be addressed while the other side have merely been duped by a madman or are themselves so ignorant as to believe in conspiracy theories.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:The both sides narrative is strong; it makes people feel edgy and morally superior.

It is an intoxicating narcotic. Maximum feeling of sophistication with minimum actual sophistication or examination.

Salus Maior wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:It is an intoxicating narcotic. Maximum feeling of sophistication with minimum actual sophistication or examination.

Kind of like using lots of long, fancy looking words in a sentence ;P

Cannot think of a name wrote:It is an intoxicating narcotic. Maximum feeling of sophistication with minimum actual sophistication or examination.

Salus Maior wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:
I never stated they were the entirety of Trump supporters, however it must be said that per 538 45%, a plurality, of Republicans supported the Seige.

One can disapprove of violence and rioting, but also point out that one side has actual grievances that need to be addressed while the other side have merely been duped by a madman or are themselves so ignorant as to believe in conspiracy theories.

Alright, and how many Democrats were supportive of the BLM riots?

Yes, people can do that. But I highly doubt that the people who did this were completely comfortable with their lives; people who are well-off and happy with their lives don't resort to political violence, or violence of any kind really. The Trumpers aren't Trumpers just because they want to be assholes, there are underlying reasons for why violence like this happens.

I can't really say what those reasons are, but people don't put themselves in the way of getting shot just because someone told them to.

Salus Maior wrote:Alright, and how many Democrats were supportive of the BLM riots?

Picairn wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:It is an intoxicating narcotic. Maximum feeling of sophistication with minimum actual sophistication or examination.

You mean maximum appearance of sophistication with minimum actual meaning.

Jedi Council wrote:
If you cant say what those reasons are, then you are just speculating, not actually offering much in the way of evidence.

Salus Maior wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:
If you cant say what those reasons are, then you are just speculating, not actually offering much in the way of evidence.

I sure am.

I hope you realize that this isn't a serious debate for me.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
I sure am.

I hope you realize that this isn't a serious debate for me.

Then quit wasting everyone's time...

Salus Maior wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:Then quit wasting everyone's time...

This is NSG, my guy.

Every minute we spend here is wasted, and ultimately pointless.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
This is NSG, my guy.

Every minute we spend here is wasted, and ultimately pointless.

Not an excuse for making shitty arguments.

Salus Maior wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:Not an excuse for making shitty arguments.

Not an excuse to get all mad either.

Nothing we say here actually matters.

Jedi Council wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Not an excuse to get all mad either.

Nothing we say here actually matters.

The excuse of someone with no argument.

Salus Maior wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:The excuse of someone with no argument.

My argument being that our government has lost confidence in both the left and the right to the point where political violence is happening. Which I think is evident, and in my opinion is only going to get worse in the future.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
My argument being that our government has lost confidence in both the left and the right to the point where political violence is happening. Which I think is evident, and in my opinion is only going to get worse in the future.

As long as we commit ourselves to an intellectually dishonest 'bothsides' narrative instead of focus in real threats, yeah, it will get worse and in fact has. See, the Capitol Building on the 6th.