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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:05 am

The Marlborough wrote:
Galloism wrote:Sixteen. It’s 2021.

Considering how this year has been so far, I'm considering it an extension of 2020 (also insomnia is a pain and I'm very tired with only five hours of sleep).


"Considering how this year has been so far" sir it's been two weeks.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:06 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Considering how this year has been so far, I'm considering it an extension of 2020 (also insomnia is a pain and I'm very tired with only five hours of sleep).


"Considering how this year has been so far" sir it's been two weeks.

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:16 am

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Sofar even that we might be seeing a new party switch ?

I mean - suddenly the democrats are all "BLUE LIVES MATTER" over the cop that was killed and "LAW AND ORDER - jail the terrorists !" about the Trumpets that stormed the Capitol - while the republicans are suddenly all "Private companies should not have the right to refuse to serve us !"

Yes, this post is not entirely serious. But it is funny.

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Rossevelt and Taft had a very different interpretation of "progressive" than Wilson, while both parties engaged in monopoly breaking policies, there was still the debate about the status of the gold standard, whether or not silver should also be used (to drive prices down through inflation), and early ideas of a fiat currency
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:20 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yes, people often learn the best tactics from their opponents.


Sofar even that we might be seeing a new party switch ?

I mean - suddenly the democrats are all "BLUE LIVES MATTER"


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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:22 am

Impeachment proceedings introduced.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:23 am

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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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Postby Page » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:42 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Melania trump complains.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics ... index.html


My sympathy for her continues to dissolve.

In my revolutionary fantasies, she's allowed to keep a few hundred thousand of the Trump fortune and take Baron and go live a quiet life somewhere while Don, Jr., Eric, and Ivanka are sent to labor camps but now I'm leaning more toward she doesn't get to keep any of the money.

(I'm being like 40% serious)

For real though, I truly don't know whether I should see her as a hostage or a willing participant.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:57 am

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The Black Forrest wrote:Melania trump complains.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics ... index.html


My sympathy for her continues to dissolve.

In my revolutionary fantasies, she's allowed to keep a few hundred thousand of the Trump fortune and take Baron and go live a quiet life somewhere while Don, Jr., Eric, and Ivanka are sent to labor camps but now I'm leaning more toward she doesn't get to keep any of the money.

(I'm being like 40% serious)

For real though, I truly don't know whether I should see her as a hostage or a willing participant.

Give the Trump fortune, such as it is, to Barron, in the form of VBucks.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:00 am

Page wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Melania trump complains.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics ... index.html


My sympathy for her continues to dissolve.

In my revolutionary fantasies, she's allowed to keep a few hundred thousand of the Trump fortune and take Baron and go live a quiet life somewhere while Don, Jr., Eric, and Ivanka are sent to labor camps but now I'm leaning more toward she doesn't get to keep any of the money.

(I'm being like 40% serious)

For real though, I truly don't know whether I should see her as a hostage or a willing participant.


Once Trump is out of office she's going to fill divorce.
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Postby Adamede » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:06 am

Page wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Melania trump complains.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics ... index.html


My sympathy for her continues to dissolve.

In my revolutionary fantasies, she's allowed to keep a few hundred thousand of the Trump fortune and take Baron and go live a quiet life somewhere while Don, Jr., Eric, and Ivanka are sent to labor camps but now I'm leaning more toward she doesn't get to keep any of the money.

(I'm being like 40% serious)

For real though, I truly don't know whether I should see her as a hostage or a willing participant.

I mean if past revolutions are anything to go off of she and her kid don’t get to live, let alone keep a portion of their wealth.

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Postby Celritannia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:06 am

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And asking me to put myself in the mind of these people who believe there was fraud is like asking me to put my mind in a serial killer and be sympathetic to why they did it.

It makes no fucking sense because we have evidence.
Should we deny evidence?

That’s not what he’s asking you to do. You’ve completely missed the point of the discussion. Let’s make this easy.

A person doesn’t like a new gun control law, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like the law that congresses re: crack and regular cocaine, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress accepted votes for trump in 2016, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress accepted votes for Biden in 2020, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that Congress just passed a law taxing white people more than black people based on the color of their skin, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress passed a law to kick all black people out of the country to their countries of original origin, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress passed a law to have all black people executed for “racial harmony”, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.

Now, in which of these scenarios did American Guy Fawkes commit sedition (along with a number of other crimes, likely murder attempted/murder, trespassing, arson, etc).


Those are quite extreme hypotheticals that are not even warranted.

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Postby Adamede » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:09 am

Celritannia wrote:
Galloism wrote:That’s not what he’s asking you to do. You’ve completely missed the point of the discussion. Let’s make this easy.

A person doesn’t like a new gun control law, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like the law that congresses re: crack and regular cocaine, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress accepted votes for trump in 2016, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress accepted votes for Biden in 2020, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that Congress just passed a law taxing white people more than black people based on the color of their skin, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress passed a law to kick all black people out of the country to their countries of original origin, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress passed a law to have all black people executed for “racial harmony”, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.

Now, in which of these scenarios did American Guy Fawkes commit sedition (along with a number of other crimes, likely murder attempted/murder, trespassing, arson, etc).


Those are quite extreme hypotheticals that are not even warranted.

The only reason Congress didn’t get bombed on the 6th is becuase they found the bombs before they went off.

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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:11 am

Celritannia wrote:
Galloism wrote:That’s not what he’s asking you to do. You’ve completely missed the point of the discussion. Let’s make this easy.

A person doesn’t like a new gun control law, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like the law that congresses re: crack and regular cocaine, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress accepted votes for trump in 2016, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress accepted votes for Biden in 2020, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that Congress just passed a law taxing white people more than black people based on the color of their skin, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress passed a law to kick all black people out of the country to their countries of original origin, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.
A person doesn’t like that congress passed a law to have all black people executed for “racial harmony”, so they decide to blow up Congress sort of like American Guy Fawkes.

Now, in which of these scenarios did American Guy Fawkes commit sedition (along with a number of other crimes, likely murder attempted/murder, trespassing, arson, etc).


Those are quite extreme hypotheticals that are not even warranted.


Again:

Now, in which of these scenarios did American Guy Fawkes commit sedition (along with a number of other crimes, likely murder attempted/murder, trespassing, arson, etc)?
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:11 am

Adamede wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Those are quite extreme hypotheticals that are not even warranted.

The only reason Congress didn’t get bombed on the 6th is becuase they found the bombs before they went off.


Even then, it was only in a few offices that would not have resulted in the whole building blowing up.
However, their action are akin to those of terrorists.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:12 am

Galloism wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Those are quite extreme hypotheticals that are not even warranted.


Again:

Now, in which of these scenarios did American Guy Fawkes commit sedition (along with a number of other crimes, likely murder attempted/murder, trespassing, arson, etc)?


It would be an act of terrorism.

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:13 am

Galloism wrote:
Again:

Now, in which of these scenarios did American Guy Fawkes commit sedition (along with a number of other crimes, likely murder attempted/murder, trespassing, arson, etc)?

I'm shocked that he didn't get it the eleventh time, this me being shocked.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:13 am

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The Black Forrest wrote:Melania trump complains.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics ... index.html


My sympathy for her continues to dissolve.

In my revolutionary fantasies, she's allowed to keep a few hundred thousand of the Trump fortune and take Baron and go live a quiet life somewhere while Don, Jr., Eric, and Ivanka are sent to labor camps but now I'm leaning more toward she doesn't get to keep any of the money.

(I'm being like 40% serious)

For real though, I truly don't know whether I should see her as a hostage or a willing participant.

They can all go live the oligarch lyfe in Moscow for all I care.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:14 am

Celritannia wrote:
Galloism wrote:
Again:



It would be an act of terrorism.

Terrorism is likely true as well.

But again,

Now, in which of these scenarios did American Guy Fawkes commit sedition (along with a number of other crimes, likely murder attempted/murder, trespassing, arson, etc)?
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Postby Page » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:15 am

Adamede wrote:
Page wrote:
My sympathy for her continues to dissolve.

In my revolutionary fantasies, she's allowed to keep a few hundred thousand of the Trump fortune and take Baron and go live a quiet life somewhere while Don, Jr., Eric, and Ivanka are sent to labor camps but now I'm leaning more toward she doesn't get to keep any of the money.

(I'm being like 40% serious)

For real though, I truly don't know whether I should see her as a hostage or a willing participant.

I mean if past revolutions are anything to go off of she and her kid don’t get to live, let alone keep a portion of their wealth.


Well, I'm a nicer kind of revolutionary.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:17 am

Galloism wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
It would be an act of terrorism.

Terrorism is likely true as well.

But again,

Now, in which of these scenarios did American Guy Fawkes commit sedition (along with a number of other crimes, likely murder attempted/murder, trespassing, arson, etc)?


Considering that blowing up Congress would be an act of terrorism, it could well be an act of sedition along with terrorism depending on the prosecution.

But that is such an extreme example, compared to the sieging of Capitol Hill, that it was an actual act of Sedition.
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Postby Adamede » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:17 am

Celritannia wrote:
Adamede wrote:The only reason Congress didn’t get bombed on the 6th is becuase they found the bombs before they went off.


Even then, it was only in a few offices that would not have resulted in the whole building blowing up.
However, their action are akin to those of terrorists.

I’m just putting Gallo’s “extreme” hypotheticals into context. Thing is they not that extreme at all.

They’re not telling you to sympathize with the rioters, they’re trying to explain why they did what they did, that’s because in their minds they think that they are the good guys. Evidence doesn’t fucking matter when it comes to that.

You however are moral grand standing for no reason.

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Postby Nakena » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:17 am

Page wrote:
Adamede wrote:I mean if past revolutions are anything to go off of she and her kid don’t get to live, let alone keep a portion of their wealth.


Well, I'm a nicer kind of revolutionary.


The capitol storm was a good example of what a revolution in the US would look like tbh.

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Postby Adamede » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:18 am

Celritannia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Terrorism is likely true as well.

But again,



Considering that blowing up Congress would be an act of terrorism, it could well be an act of sedition along with terrorism depending on the prosecution.

But that is such an extreme example, compared to the sieging of Capitol Hill, that it was an actual act of Sedition.

It’s not that extreme considering that they
1: Did try to bomb it
2: Where looking to take people captive and possibly/probably lynch them.

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Postby Celritannia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:18 am

Adamede wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Even then, it was only in a few offices that would not have resulted in the whole building blowing up.
However, their action are akin to those of terrorists.

I’m just putting Gallo’s “extreme” hypotheticals into context. Thing is they not that extreme at all.

They’re not telling you to sympathize with the rioters, they’re trying to explain why they did what they did, that’s because in their minds they think that they are the good guys. Evidence doesn’t fucking matter when it comes to that.

You however are moral grand standing for no reason.


What they think does not matter. It's an extreme act of violence that should not occur.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:18 am

Nakena wrote:
Page wrote:
Well, I'm a nicer kind of revolutionary.


The capitol storm was a good example of what a revolution in the US would look like tbh.

The revolutionaries staying within in the ropes and picking up some trash afterwards ?
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