MAGAThread XX: A Journal of the Plague Year

[Adamede]

And they would answer that there is so much evidence you have to be blind not to see it and refuse to take you seriously when you claim they are sprouting bullshit.

You really need to understand that Trumpism is a religion. His followers BELIEVE. They are not acting or pretending - they believe with all their hearts that Trump is all that stands between them and unfathomable evil.

And it is a danger, and why it cannot be equated to the BLM protests.

Well it’s not a protest for one. It’s more simple to the riots than anything else.

[Celritannia]

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And I would ask where the evidence of this is to suggest they are saving democracy, and from who.

Despite the fact that a number of police shootings and brutality are against innocent people?

And I would chide you for missing the fucking point.

They often aren't.

Because equating into people believing in a lie is not the same as police brutality.

[Celritannia]

And it is a danger, and why it cannot be equated to the BLM protests.

Well it’s not a protest for one. It’s more simple to the riots than anything else.

The BLM protests were very broad and not all coherent. Lafayette Square for example was a protest that led to police brutality all because Trump wanted to walk to the Church.

[Des-Bal]

Because equating into people believing in a lie is not the same as police brutality.

That's not what's being equated. It's the fraud vs the brutality, you're focusing on whether or not they're right and I keep telling you it doesn't matter. You're continually coming back to "but my side is right" and acting like that's not what everyone is calling you on.

[Galloism]

This is just saying “when they were being seditious, they had a good cause!” It doesn’t change it was an act of sedition.

When the representatives in what later became the United States gathered in the late 1700s to discuss the British problem, they were engaged in an act of sedition. Most people (here anyway) generally believe they had good cause, but it was still seditious.


That often happens in seditious and secessionist movements. They are people who are good fighting against the established order - even their own - when it doesn’t go their way.

It’s one of the reasons most secession attempts fail.

And there were many in Parliament who supported the grievances of the Colonists and didn't see it as sedition.

Also true - partisanship is not a new phenomenon. But nonetheless, it met the definition then, and this meets the definition now.

And they were not attempting to secede anyway.

This goes contrary their communicated intent, but even if true that words don’t mean what they mean...



Their act of preventing the law from functioning in the area, declaring autonomy from said law, and seizing the property rights of Uncle Sam are still sedition.

[Celritannia]

Because equating into people believing in a lie is not the same as police brutality.

That's not what's being equated. It's the fraud vs the brutality, you're focusing on whether or not they're right and I keep telling you it doesn't matter. You're continually coming back to "but my side is right" and acting like that's not what everyone is calling you on.

It's not about "my side".
It's about fucking evidence.

[Valrifell]

Because equating into people believing in a lie is not the same as police brutality.

That's not what's being equated. It's the fraud vs the brutality, you're focusing on whether or not they're right and I keep telling you it doesn't matter. You're continually coming back to "but my side is right" and acting like that's not what everyone is calling you on.

What are you calling Celrit on, even

[Celritannia]

And there were many in Parliament who supported the grievances of the Colonists and didn't see it as sedition.

Also true - partisanship is not a new phenomenon. But nonetheless, it met the definition then, and this meets the definition now.

And they were not attempting to secede anyway.

This goes contrary their communicated intent, but even if true that words don’t mean what they mean...



Their act of preventing the law from functioning in the area, declaring autonomy from said law, and seizing the property rights of Uncle Sam are still sedition.

And why was that?

[Des-Bal]

It's not about "my side".
It's about fucking evidence.

Oh you think your side is right? That's crazy, most people disbelieve their side.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

And I would ask where the evidence of this is to suggest they are saving democracy, and from who.

And they would answer that there is so much evidence you have to be blind not to see it and refuse to take you seriously when you claim they are sprouting bullshit.

You really need to understand that Trumpism is a religion. His followers BELIEVE. They are not acting or pretending - they believe with all their hearts that Trump is all that stands between them and unfathomable evil.

That's the thing. You say his followers are anti democratic and they are, but in their minds many of them think they're saving freedom from "evil communist Joe Biden." And thats why I dont wish ill on the trumpsters at day's end. They're truly brainwashed by Trump and his minions. They really believe the stuff he said and are not in touch with reality anymore. They think that if Trumpism cannot succeed, their culture, their towns, their history and their "freedoms" (freedom to like own guns or buy a big mac) are going in the garbage can. It's this zealotry and alternate worldview that drove 4 trumpsters to lay their lives down for the president on January 6th.

[Celritannia]

It's not about "my side".
It's about fucking evidence.

Oh you think your side is right? That's crazy, most people disbelieve their side.

Can there be actual evidence of voter fraud be found?

[Valrifell]

Supposing that CHAZ is as you say, surely storming the Capitol with the intent of taking Congress hostage and lynching the VP marks a clear escalation compared to previous BLM summer protests.

[Adamede]

This is just saying “when they were being seditious, they had a good cause!” It doesn’t change it was an act of sedition.

When the representatives in what later became the United States gathered in the late 1700s to discuss the British problem, they were engaged in an act of sedition. Most people (here anyway) generally believe they had good cause, but it was still seditious.


That often happens in seditious and secessionist movements. They are people who are good fighting against the established order - even their own - when it doesn’t go their way.

It’s one of the reasons most secession attempts fail.

And there were many in Parliament who supported the grievances of the Colonists and didn't see it as sedition.


And they were not attempting to secede anyway.

If the American revolutionaries had failed every member of the continental congress would’ve been hanged for treason against the British Government.

And Cahz was very clear on the fact that they didn’t consider themselves part of the US.

[Des-Bal]

What are you calling Celrit on, even

He's basing which acts are worthy of condemnation based on who he agrees with not what they did.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I don't understand how you can sit there and support idiots believing in a lie compared to people being killed by police.

I don't support them.

My point is that someone could walk up and say you're comparing an attempt to save democracy to a nationwide campaign of destruction over criminals getting themselves killed.

Difference is there's evidence these police killings were unjust. So far the Trump movement has offered no concrete evidence the election was rigged.

[Galloism]

And why was that?

Why was what?

[Celritannia]

And there were many in Parliament who supported the grievances of the Colonists and didn't see it as sedition.


And they were not attempting to secede anyway.

If the American revolutionaries had failed every member of the continental congress would’ve been hanged for treason against the British Government.

And Cahz was very clear on the fact that they didn’t consider themselves part of the US.

I'm not entirely sure they would have been, especially with how Parliament was divided.

It was not on their list of demands.

[Valrifell]

What are you calling Celrit on, even

He's basing which acts are worthy of condemnation based on who he agrees with not what they did.

It reads to me he's trying to argue that not all condemnable acts are made equal.

[Des-Bal]

Can there be actual evidence of voter fraud be found?

That dictates how likely they are to be correct which again doesn't in any way shape or form change whether or not they believed it.

[Galloism]

Supposing that CHAZ is as you say, surely storming the Capitol with the intent of taking Congress hostage and lynching the VP marks a clear escalation compared to previous BLM summer protests.

Absolutely and without any doubt. This is a pattern of escalating political violence that got us to where we are today, and we all need to do some introspection.

[Nakena]

Supposing that CHAZ is as you say, surely storming the Capitol with the intent of taking Congress hostage and lynching the VP marks a clear escalation compared to previous BLM summer protests.

The BLM protests at one point stood close to transform into a popular color style revolution, as it managed to mobilize the masses.

Trump averted this from happening by refraining from sending the army on the street as it became clear the Pentagon and military wouldn march. The next day he reverted to pretending business as usual and didn mentioned the whole matter anymore with a single word.

That saved him and his administration back then.

[Celritannia]

What are you calling Celrit on, even

He's basing which acts are worthy of condemnation based on who he agrees with not what they did.

I never stated which one was worthier of condemnation.

I am stipulating you cannot equate the 2 as similar.

[Adamede]

If the American revolutionaries had failed every member of the continental congress would’ve been hanged for treason against the British Government.

And Cahz was very clear on the fact that they didn’t consider themselves part of the US.

I'm not entirely sure they would have been, especially with how Parliament was divided.

It was not on their list of demands.

They took up arms against the British, if that’s not treason than I don’t know what is. Parliament was divided but didn’t stop the British form sending tens of thousands of soldiers to fight the uprising either.

[Valrifell]

Supposing that CHAZ is as you say, surely storming the Capitol with the intent of taking Congress hostage and lynching the VP marks a clear escalation compared to previous BLM summer protests.

The BLM protests at one point stood close to transform into a popular color style revolution, as it managed to mobilize the masses.

Trump averted this from happening by refraining from sending the army on the street as it became clear the Pentagon and military wouldn march. The next day he reverted to pretending business as usual and didn mentioned the whole matter anymore with a single word.

That saved him and his administration back then.

That's certainly a characterization of BLM protests.

[Celritannia]

Can there be actual evidence of voter fraud be found?

That dictates how likely they are to be correct which again doesn't in any way shape or form change whether or not they believed it.

Then that's like saying the world is both round and flat.