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Postby Spirit of Hope » Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:15 am

His Excellence wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:You seem rather callous about this mans death for someone who has most likely said blue lives matter in the past.

And people saying black lives matter sure seem pretty callous about the deaths and hardship imposed on the decent law abiding majority of black people by rioters (of all races) using racial strife as an excuse to rampage, without regard for how they're exacerbating that exact issue.

This officer's death may or may not be a tragedy. I don't know who he was as a person or as a member of law enforcement, whether he was part of the systemic issues or not. But too many times I've been tricked into grieving for scumbags, so you'll have to excuse me if I'm not immediately groveling over the death of somebody whose department executed four "peaceful protestors" (to use the establishment's parlance) while protecting the certification of a fraudulent election. That officer's blood is as much on the hands of everybody complicit in this fraud as it is on the hands of the people who killed him, just like every cop shot or killed as result of "kill all cops" or "ACAB" rhetoric has their blood on the hands of the people accusing cops of being genocidal white supremacists.


Do you have any evidence of fraud? Because the Justice Department hasn't found any, and President Trump hasn't gotten any that has stood up to the courts yet.
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Postby Rusozak » Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:33 am

His Excellence wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:You seem rather callous about this mans death for someone who has most likely said blue lives matter in the past.

And people saying black lives matter sure seem pretty callous about the deaths and hardship imposed on the decent law abiding majority of black people by rioters (of all races) using racial strife as an excuse to rampage, without regard for how they're exacerbating that exact issue.

This officer's death may or may not be a tragedy. I don't know who he was as a person or as a member of law enforcement, whether he was part of the systemic issues or not. But too many times I've been tricked into grieving for scumbags, so you'll have to excuse me if I'm not immediately groveling over the death of somebody whose department executed four "peaceful protestors" (to use the establishment's parlance) while protecting the certification of a fraudulent election. That officer's blood is as much on the hands of everybody complicit in this fraud as it is on the hands of the people who killed him, just like every cop shot or killed as result of "kill all cops" or "ACAB" rhetoric has their blood on the hands of the people accusing cops of being genocidal white supremacists.


The officer was assaulted by tresspassing rioters that wanted to kill the people he was charged with protecting. How can "Blue Lives Matter" if as soon as a Trumper kills a cop your first response is "Now wait a minute, we don't know if this cop was a scumbag or not." As I've said many times before, the people waving around blue lives matter flags are not the cops friends. They're the first to start killing when they don't get their way.
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Postby Page » Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:46 am

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:You seem rather callous about this mans death for someone who has most likely said blue lives matter in the past.

And people saying black lives matter sure seem pretty callous about the deaths and hardship imposed on the decent law abiding majority of black people by rioters (of all races) using racial strife as an excuse to rampage, without regard for how they're exacerbating that exact issue.

This officer's death may or may not be a tragedy. I don't know who he was as a person or as a member of law enforcement, whether he was part of the systemic issues or not. But too many times I've been tricked into grieving for scumbags, so you'll have to excuse me if I'm not immediately groveling over the death of somebody whose department executed four "peaceful protestors" (to use the establishment's parlance) while protecting the certification of a fraudulent election. That officer's blood is as much on the hands of everybody complicit in this fraud as it is on the hands of the people who killed him, just like every cop shot or killed as result of "kill all cops" or "ACAB" rhetoric has their blood on the hands of the people accusing cops of being genocidal white supremacists.


That's some astounding mental gymnastics. Let me see if I have summed this up correctly. If a cop is killed by a leftist or a BLM activist, it's the fault of "the left" for ACAB rhetoric and painting them as white supremacists. If a cop is killed by a right-winger (who is probably also a white supremacist), it's the fault of "the left" for being complicit in a fraudulent election.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:04 pm

Cool, we're still doing the "but MOOOOOOOOOO-OOOOM...you let the black people protest!"

Good look for y'all.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:06 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:When Donald Trump leaves office on Jan. 20, I'm not going to bother keeping this thread alive any longer. He lost me with his constant post-election whining and his sudden, unexpected self-coup attempt. This is the first time I've seen Trump supporters other than the Proud Boys actually turn violent and riot on such a massive scale. Almost all of the violence has come from the Left until now.

He also cost two Republican Senators their seats in Georgia. He has gone from being an asset to a liability almost overnight, not just to Republicans, but to anti-woke leftists and anti-CCP liberal democrats such as myself.

Consider me an ex-Trump supporter.

Dude you do not have to change your views on Republican President Trump. You do not have to apologize to the leftist of any kind. You do not have to give them the satisfaction they want. This is what they have been trying to do for the last 4 years. They don't like it when a person posts Pro Trump views. But they will never admit it. GMS.


I apologize to no leftists. I will never apologize or bow before the will of BLM/MeToo SJWs. My repudiation of Donald Trump does not equate to an embrace of dangerous leftist ideas.

I am still loathe to believe that ALL Trump supporters are violent, white supremacist bigots or that Trump did nothing good during his term in office. I reserve cautious respect for moderate Trump supporters and conservatives and their opinions as well as moderate leftists and Democrats as long as they respect me and mine in turn. This includes you. Chalk it down to me being both a former leftist and a former Trump supporter myself. Donald Trump did not appear out of a vacuum. He was a response to the woke insanity and entitled hubris of the Left that gradually emerged during Obama's second term and a by-product of legitimate grievances, albeit a somewhat dysfunctional by-product that eventually devolved into total madness this week. I find myself in the weird position of simultaneously defending the President's past record and decrying his sudden, rapid descent into madness.

I tolerated Trump's lies, scandals, self-delusions, and antics as well as those of his supporters because they were not the ones rioting, looting, burning, and smashing stuff up for the past four years in stark contrast to their opponents, because of how easily the President triggered the Left with his tweets, and because his foreign policy far outclassed that of his predecessor. I did not see Trump supporters immediately lose their shit as soon as Fox News and AP called the 2020 election for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. But the moment Trump and his supporters finally resorted to violence after weeks of intimidating, cajoling, and threatening their closest political allies including Georgian state officials and Mike Pence of all people, and costing two incumbent Republican Senators their seats and their party their majority in the Senate, all with the stated aim of enabling Trump to illegally cling onto power beyond Jan. 20, that's when they lost me completely. They were supposed to be the tolerant, peaceful, respectful side willing to have a civil debate vs whiny, feminist, leftist, PC SJWs and lying leftist media mouthpieces. Now, I see no difference between Trumpist insurrectionists and Antifa/BLM Marxist insurrectionists.

Galloism wrote:We’ve got both sides escalating and escalating and escalating until we got here, and it’s foolish, short sighted and downright self destructive to continuously attempt to excuse violence and sedition and rebellion from the side to which the person belongs just because the person happens to agree with their goals.

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Well said. Now that I view both sides in a similar light, the solution is so much clearer to me now. Pro-Trump rioters and Antifa Blackshirts who organize and engage in criminal acts of insurrection and mob violence ought to be deemed an imminent threat to democracy and the rule of law and they should be charged with insurrection, their groups, networks, and political parties shut down, and membership in said groups and parties outlawed. And should the Republican and Democratic parties fail to expel the violent extremists within their ranks or should they themselves actively organize criminal acts of insurrection and mob violence, then they, too, should be forcibly deregistered and disbanded. These extremists should be barred from even running for office. The more these rioters and terrorists act out their violent fantasies, the harder we ought to crack down.

With regards to the remainder of Trump's term in office, I believe, as a matter of principle, that the President should be removed from office either via impeachment or by invoking the 25th Amendment. However, I don't know what good this would do in practice with just 12 days to go before Biden's inauguration or whether this is politically the wisest strategy in terms of whether it would lead to a further escalation of violence on the Right. If there were more time, I would certainly, unequivocally support impeachment proceedings/invoking the 25th against the sitting President, duly elected or otherwise, for his crimes.

One must never yield to threats of terrorism and mob violence from Muslim fundamentalists, pro-Trump extremists, or communists. One must always double down in defiance, for failure to do so will always, always, be interpreted as a sign of weakness and an invitation to authoritarian terrorists and insurgents to take a mile and then some. The same goes for dictatorships such as the PRC. Might makes right is the only language the enemies of freedom understand, and we have to be prepared to communicate with them on their level by clenching our fists and banging them on the table from time to time. America needs a strong, principled, and decisive leader more than ever. Donald Trump, to his credit, has been unequivocally strong and decisive, yet he has also been thoroughly unprincipled and unscrupulous to his own detriment.

I think you should open a new thread regarding how extremists such as Trump rioters and Antifa Blackshirts should be dealt with under the law, whether certain political groups and parties should be banned, and the necessity vs. danger of laws criminalizing purported seditious activity. A little background info and history on the enactment and application of sedition laws, particularly the British Sedition Act and its colonial variants across the Commonwealth, wouldn't go amiss. This would make for an interesting topic in its own right and you're the legal expert according to some players.

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Celritannia wrote:No.
CHAZ is not sedition.

The Trump supporters were because they were actually attempting to deny the legal democratic vote.

How is an 'autonomous zone' that occupied a police precinct along with several other blocks of property, and actively attempted to barricade out law enforcement in favor of their own self-policing (which failed miserably) NOT an attempt at sedition? It's not even a matter of whether or not you agree with what they did, literally the entire purpose of CHAZ was sedition.

And if the invasion of the Capital Building is sedition, what do you call the last four years of political and media elites falsely smearing Trump as an illegitimate president? Based off of zero reliable evidence, his opponents tried to impeach him, and have been claiming cheating/collusion through his entire term. But suddenly in 2020, with this mass scale mail-in voting we've never done before, we have the "most secure election in history," and anyone questioning the results or wanting to investigate claims of fraud is a treasonous conspiracy theorist.

Does the hypocrisy at play here really escape your notice? Does this not seem shady to you at all how blatantly the narrative/attitude coming from Trump's opponents flipflops to make him out to be the villain and justifies their own actions?


There was no widespread, systematic election fraud or Russian collusion in 2016. There was no widespread, systematic election fraud in 2020. Democrats and MSM are massive hypocrites, but Trump lost this election. Systemic media bias and unfair demonization of Donald Trump and his supporters =/= evidence of election fraud. Both sides must take responsibility for tearing their country apart.
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Postby His Excellence » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:17 pm

Sure is funny how much higher the bar of evidence for police brutality or voter fraud goes when Trump or his supporters are the ones being targeted. I wish rage mobs had such a keen interest in facts when they're gearing up for the next month of being a menace to civilized society. Be honest with me, when you hear a claim of police committing hate crimes or Trump being a scumbag, are you as exhaustive in your investigation before forming conclusions? Do you even consider any sources that wouldn't directly benefit/profit from the narrative they are pushing?

Rusozak wrote:The officer was assaulted by tresspassing rioters that wanted to kill the people he was charged with protecting. How can "Blue Lives Matter" if as soon as a Trumper kills a cop your first response is "Now wait a minute, we don't know if this cop was a scumbag or not." As I've said many times before, the people waving around blue lives matter flags are not the cops friends. They're the first to start killing when they don't get their way.

Demographics aren't a monolith and individuals should be judged on a case by case basis. That's the exact issue with both Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter, both have large segments that demand unequivocal unquestioning support for their chosen protected group, and consider attacks on an individual to be attacks on the entire group, regardless of that individual's character or actions.

Page wrote:That's some astounding mental gymnastics. Let me see if I have summed this up correctly. If a cop is killed by a leftist or a BLM activist, it's the fault of "the left" for ACAB rhetoric and painting them as white supremacists. If a cop is killed by a right-winger (who is probably also a white supremacist), it's the fault of "the left" for being complicit in a fraudulent election.

Nice one, you have truly demonstrated to me the flaws in my logic with your objective unbiased perspective.

If you'll reread my post you quoted, you might notice that I didn't assign blame for the election fraud or police smearing on either side of the aisle, I only vaguely referenced "the people who [did such and such]" to avoid that exact issue, because the establishment is bipartisan. I also said that blood was "as much on the hands of the people who killed him" as those who provoked it. All this partisanship is a distraction from the corruption and groupthink ruining both parties.

Someone who has never been in politics before runs for president, and most of the leaders of both parties hate him, but it has to be for entirely upstanding reasons, right? Even if one of those parties is supposedly entirely made up of the kind of ignorant people that should love the monster Trump's painted as.

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Postby His Excellence » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:21 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Cool, we're still doing the "but MOOOOOOOOOO-OOOOM...you let the black people protest!"

Good look for y'all.

Most of the Antifa/BLM protestors I've seen are white people, that's what I get mad about. Mobs of angry white people continually attacking communities, often black communities, but the people who want it stopped are supposedly the white supremacists. Try again.

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Postby Page » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:39 pm

His Excellence wrote:Sure is funny how much higher the bar of evidence for police brutality or voter fraud goes when Trump or his supporters are the ones being targeted. I wish rage mobs had such a keen interest in facts when they're gearing up for the next month of being a menace to civilized society. Be honest with me, when you hear a claim of police committing hate crimes or Trump being a scumbag, are you as exhaustive in your investigation before forming conclusions? Do you even consider any sources that wouldn't directly benefit/profit from the narrative they are pushing?

Rusozak wrote:The officer was assaulted by tresspassing rioters that wanted to kill the people he was charged with protecting. How can "Blue Lives Matter" if as soon as a Trumper kills a cop your first response is "Now wait a minute, we don't know if this cop was a scumbag or not." As I've said many times before, the people waving around blue lives matter flags are not the cops friends. They're the first to start killing when they don't get their way.

Demographics aren't a monolith and individuals should be judged on a case by case basis. That's the exact issue with both Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter, both have large segments that demand unequivocal unquestioning support for their chosen protected group, and consider attacks on an individual to be attacks on the entire group, regardless of that individual's character or actions.

Page wrote:That's some astounding mental gymnastics. Let me see if I have summed this up correctly. If a cop is killed by a leftist or a BLM activist, it's the fault of "the left" for ACAB rhetoric and painting them as white supremacists. If a cop is killed by a right-winger (who is probably also a white supremacist), it's the fault of "the left" for being complicit in a fraudulent election.

Nice one, you have truly demonstrated to me the flaws in my logic with your objective unbiased perspective.

If you'll reread my post you quoted, you might notice that I didn't assign blame for the election fraud or police smearing on either side of the aisle, I only vaguely referenced "the people who [did such and such]" to avoid that exact issue, because the establishment is bipartisan. I also said that blood was "as much on the hands of the people who killed him" as those who provoked it. All this partisanship is a distraction from the corruption and groupthink ruining both parties.

Someone who has never been in politics before runs for president, and most of the leaders of both parties hate him, but it has to be for entirely upstanding reasons, right? Even if one of those parties is supposedly entirely made up of the kind of ignorant people that should love the monster Trump's painted as.


I never claimed an objective, unbiased perspective, I'm a commie all the way, I'm so far to the left that Bernie Sanders needs the Hubble Telescope to see me. Now are you going to admit to being an ultra-reactionary or are you going to insist that you are a moderate, free thinking person who is above it all?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:52 pm

As I Posted I have a few Cuban and American Friends who attended the rightful Pro Trump Stop The Steal Election Rally in Washington DC on Jan 6 2021. I wish I could have gone with them, I would if I could. I know they did not participate in the violent storming of the Capitol Hill Building. They are also older Persons. I will probably be having dinner at a restaurant with them this Sunday and I will get their Perspective on what happened.

I know they are very hurt and depressed as am I we could not right the wrongs of the vote fraud elections. I know they are very hurt and depressed as am I of the end result.

I really did try to K me one time, I was very depressed. I take a depression medicine. It works to lessen the depressions. It is on my sig. GMS.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:54 pm

His Excellence wrote:Sure is funny how much higher the bar of evidence for police brutality or voter fraud goes when Trump or his supporters are the ones being targeted. I wish rage mobs had such a keen interest in facts when they're gearing up for the next month of being a menace to civilized society. Be honest with me, when you hear a claim of police committing hate crimes or Trump being a scumbag, are you as exhaustive in your investigation before forming conclusions? Do you even consider any sources that wouldn't directly benefit/profit from the narrative they are pushing?

Rusozak wrote:The officer was assaulted by tresspassing rioters that wanted to kill the people he was charged with protecting. How can "Blue Lives Matter" if as soon as a Trumper kills a cop your first response is "Now wait a minute, we don't know if this cop was a scumbag or not." As I've said many times before, the people waving around blue lives matter flags are not the cops friends. They're the first to start killing when they don't get their way.

Demographics aren't a monolith and individuals should be judged on a case by case basis. That's the exact issue with both Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter, both have large segments that demand unequivocal unquestioning support for their chosen protected group, and consider attacks on an individual to be attacks on the entire group, regardless of that individual's character or actions.

Page wrote:That's some astounding mental gymnastics. Let me see if I have summed this up correctly. If a cop is killed by a leftist or a BLM activist, it's the fault of "the left" for ACAB rhetoric and painting them as white supremacists. If a cop is killed by a right-winger (who is probably also a white supremacist), it's the fault of "the left" for being complicit in a fraudulent election.

Nice one, you have truly demonstrated to me the flaws in my logic with your objective unbiased perspective.

If you'll reread my post you quoted, you might notice that I didn't assign blame for the election fraud or police smearing on either side of the aisle, I only vaguely referenced "the people who [did such and such]" to avoid that exact issue, because the establishment is bipartisan. I also said that blood was "as much on the hands of the people who killed him" as those who provoked it. All this partisanship is a distraction from the corruption and groupthink ruining both parties.

Someone who has never been in politics before runs for president, and most of the leaders of both parties hate him, but it has to be for entirely upstanding reasons, right? Even if one of those parties is supposedly entirely made up of the kind of ignorant people that should love the monster Trump's painted as.


And what is the evidence of electoral fraud?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:00 pm

His Excellence wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Cool, we're still doing the "but MOOOOOOOOOO-OOOOM...you let the black people protest!"

Good look for y'all.

Most of the Antifa/BLM protestors I've seen are white people, that's what I get mad about. Mobs of angry white people continually attacking communities, often black communities, but the people who want it stopped are supposedly the white supremacists. Try again.

That's certainly a bunch of things you said.
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Postby Jedi Council » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:22 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:As I Posted I have a few Cuban and American Friends who attended the rightful Pro Trump Stop The Steal Election Rally in Washington DC on Jan 6 2021. I wish I could have gone with them, I would if I could. I know they did not participate in the violent storming of the Capitol Hill Building. They are also older Persons. I will probably be having dinner at a restaurant with them this Sunday and I will get their Perspective on what happened.

I know they are very hurt as am I we could not right the wrongs of the vote fraud elections. I know they are very hurt and depressed as am I of the end result.

I really did try to K me one time, I was very depressed. I take a depression medicine. It works to lessen the depressions. It is on my sig. GMS.

You couldnt right the wrongs of vote fraud because there was not any.

By god, when did the right become such sore losers? One election down and they whine and cry about how unfair democracy is, it really makes you wonder who the real snowflakes were.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:29 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:As I Posted I have a few Cuban and American Friends who attended the rightful Pro Trump Stop The Steal Election Rally in Washington DC on Jan 6 2021. I wish I could have gone with them, I would if I could. I know they did not participate in the violent storming of the Capitol Hill Building. They are also older Persons. I will probably be having dinner at a restaurant with them this Sunday and I will get their Perspective on what happened.

I know they are very hurt as am I we could not right the wrongs of the vote fraud elections. I know they are very hurt and depressed as am I of the end result.

I really did try to K me one time, I was very depressed. I take a depression medicine. It works to lessen the depressions. It is on my sig. GMS.

You couldnt right the wrongs of vote fraud because there was not any.

By god, when did the right become such sore losers? One election down and they whine and cry about how unfair democracy is, it really makes you wonder who the real snowflakes were.


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Postby Jedi Council » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:32 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:You couldnt right the wrongs of vote fraud because there was not any.

By god, when did the right become such sore losers? One election down and they whine and cry about how unfair democracy is, it really makes you wonder who the real snowflakes were.


The "YOU LOST GET OVER IT" crowd, ladies and gentlemen.

Well yeah, they lost, try again in four years. That's kind of how the system works.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:40 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:As I Posted I have a few Cuban and American Friends who attended the rightful Pro Trump Stop The Steal Election Rally in Washington DC on Jan 6 2021. I wish I could have gone with them, I would if I could. I know they did not participate in the violent storming of the Capitol Hill Building. They are also older Persons. I will probably be having dinner at a restaurant with them this Sunday and I will get their Perspective on what happened.

I know they are very hurt as am I we could not right the wrongs of the vote fraud elections. I know they are very hurt and depressed as am I of the end result.

I really did try to K me one time, I was very depressed. I take a depression medicine. It works to lessen the depressions. It is on my sig. GMS.

You couldnt right the wrongs of vote fraud because there was not any.

By god, when did the right become such sore losers? One election down and they whine and cry about how unfair democracy is, it really makes you wonder who the real snowflakes were.

lol, how many times do we have to explain it to you in details. not an actual question, an actual and factual statement. There was massive Democrat vote fraud during the 2020 US Presidential elections against Republican President Trump because they hate him. GMS.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:44 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:You couldnt right the wrongs of vote fraud because there was not any.

By god, when did the right become such sore losers? One election down and they whine and cry about how unfair democracy is, it really makes you wonder who the real snowflakes were.

lol, how many times do we have to explain it to you in details. not an actual question, an actual and factual statement. There was massive Democrat vote fraud during the 2020 US Presidential elections against Republican President Trump because they hate him. GMS.


Liar; liar; pants on fire.

There is no evidence for massive fraud. Remember Arch’s chart of claims vs reality?

Over 70 lawsuits tossed for lack of evidence. Even tossed by Trump/McConnell judges.

The SCOTUS even tossed an attempt as it was a waste of the courts time.

You lost. Your leader is a loser. Time to move on.

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Oh since you like to repeat this baseless claim. You might as well add the links to your “evidence”
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:44 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
The "YOU LOST GET OVER IT" crowd, ladies and gentlemen.

Well yeah, they lost, try again in four years. That's kind of how the system works.

I agree Trump is doing a disservice to democracy and the Republican party by not accepting the results of a free and fair election like some sort of Latin American demagogue
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Postby Jedi Council » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:52 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Well yeah, they lost, try again in four years. That's kind of how the system works.

I agree Trump is doing a disservice to democracy and the Republican party by not accepting the results of a free and fair election like some sort of Latin American demagogue

Glad to see you've come around but it s little late; hes been telegraphing this fro years now, everything he has done, the lies, the corruption, the undermining of the media and elections, have lead to this point.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:56 pm

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Galloism wrote:
Yes, that's correct.



The property they seized did not belong to them. The US government has sovereignty rights, a form of property interest, in all buildings, streets, light poles, stop signs, traffic barriers, sidewalks, sewers, and every blade of grass. That property interest was attempting to be denied due to their sedition and attempt at secession, including armed paramilitary forces to keep federal and state agents from enforcing their property interests.

Besides that, if they do not allow US law to be enforced in the jurisdiction, it is very specifically an attempt to hinder US law.


So saying the caused sedition because they did not agree with the vote is not wrong.


No, it's certainly not, but if you had read my posts, you would know that from the beginning.

And they gave a list of demands.


Yes, including the disbanding of any enforcement of the law over them. Then carried this out with using threats of force to enforce the inability of the fed and state to enforce the law. That's called sedition.

They did not attempt to secede, FFS.


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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:59 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:You couldnt right the wrongs of vote fraud because there was not any.

By god, when did the right become such sore losers? One election down and they whine and cry about how unfair democracy is, it really makes you wonder who the real snowflakes were.

lol, how many times do we have to explain it to you in details. not an actual question, an actual and factual statement. There was massive Democrat vote fraud during the 2020 US Presidential elections against Republican President Trump because they hate him. GMS.


Which you refuse to provide actual hard evidence of.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:09 pm

Galloism wrote:
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So saying the caused sedition because they did not agree with the vote is not wrong.


No, it's certainly not, but if you had read my posts, you would know that from the beginning.

And they gave a list of demands.


Yes, including the disbanding of any enforcement of the law over them. Then carried this out with using threats of force to enforce the inability of the fed and state to enforce the law. That's called sedition.

They did not attempt to secede, FFS.


"You are now leaving the USA."


I can put a sign on my front gate saying "Now leaving the UK", doesn't mean I am seceding.
So stop trying to link 2 things that are not the same.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:16 pm

Galloism wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
So saying the caused sedition because they did not agree with the vote is not wrong.


No, it's certainly not, but if you had read my posts, you would know that from the beginning.

And they gave a list of demands.


Yes, including the disbanding of any enforcement of the law over them. Then carried this out with using threats of force to enforce the inability of the fed and state to enforce the law. That's called sedition.

They did not attempt to secede, FFS.


"You are now leaving the USA."


So when is the FBI going to roll up on that guy in Nevada who declared his house a sovereign state for secession then?
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Postby Rusozak » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:37 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:You couldnt right the wrongs of vote fraud because there was not any.

By god, when did the right become such sore losers? One election down and they whine and cry about how unfair democracy is, it really makes you wonder who the real snowflakes were.

lol, how many times do we have to explain it to you in details. not an actual question, an actual and factual statement. There was massive Democrat vote fraud during the 2020 US Presidential elections against Republican President Trump because they hate him. GMS.


You guys lost and tried to coup the government because you couldn't stand democracy when it turned out your ideas were unpopular. Get over it.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:39 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:lol, how many times do we have to explain it to you in details. not an actual question, an actual and factual statement. There was massive Democrat vote fraud during the 2020 US Presidential elections against Republican President Trump because they hate him. GMS.


You guys lost and tried to coup the government because you couldn't stand democracy when it turned out your ideas were unpopular. Get over it.

Later traitor.

We Proud Republican Trump Supporters Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of The USA, strongly disagree. GMS.
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Postby Rusozak » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:43 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
You guys lost and tried to coup the government because you couldn't stand democracy when it turned out your ideas were unpopular. Get over it.

Later traitor.

We Proud Republican Trump Supporters Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of The USA, strongly disagree. GMS.


No fucking don't. Your people tried to coup the government, vandalized symbols of our nation, embarrassed all American people for the whole world to see, smeared feces on the walls of the capitol, murdered a cop trying to protect it, tried to murder members of Congress and VP Pence, and disrupted the functioning of government. You are traitors. You are un-American. You should all be arrested and imprisoned for this failed coup of yours.
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