MAGAThread XX: A Journal of the Plague Year

[WayNeacTia]

If I see one more bad take about CHAZ I’m going to have a stroke

If I see one more bad post about the peaceful Trump supporters protesting the massive Democrat vote fraud, I am going to have a lol attack, so big it will be bad for my health.

For the record I condemn the right wingers who stormed the Capitol Building.

GMS.

Still waiting for some kind of evidence of this so called "fraud" to materialize. I assume they are keeping it with the weapons of mass destruction they found in Iraq?

[Vassenor]

So if CHAZ was equally bad to the Capitol Coup, then presumably there was a senior member of government that the CHAZ people wanted to kidnap and kill, to be equal to the Capital Coup wanting to publicly hang the Vice President..

[His Excellence]

No.
CHAZ is not sedition.

The Trump supporters were because they were actually attempting to deny the legal democratic vote.

How is an 'autonomous zone' that occupied a police precinct along with several other blocks of property, and actively attempted to barricade out law enforcement in favor of their own self-policing (which failed miserably) NOT an attempt at sedition? It's not even a matter of whether or not you agree with what they did, literally the entire purpose of CHAZ was sedition.

And if the invasion of the Capital Building is sedition, what do you call the last four years of political and media elites falsely smearing Trump as an illegitimate president? Based off of zero reliable evidence, his opponents tried to impeach him, and have been claiming cheating/collusion through his entire term. But suddenly in 2020, with this mass scale mail-in voting we've never done before, we have the "most secure election in history," and anyone questioning the results or wanting to investigate claims of fraud is a treasonous conspiracy theorist.

Does the hypocrisy at play here really escape your notice? Does this not seem shady to you at all how blatantly the narrative/attitude coming from Trump's opponents flipflops to make him out to be the villain and justifies their own actions?

[Vassenor]

No.
CHAZ is not sedition.

The Trump supporters were because they were actually attempting to deny the legal democratic vote.

How is an 'autonomous zone' that occupied a police precinct along with several other blocks of property, and actively attempted to barricade out law enforcement in favor of their own self-policing (which failed miserably) NOT an attempt at sedition? It's not even a matter of whether or not you agree with what they did, literally the entire purpose of CHAZ was sedition.

And if the invasion of the Capital Building is sedition, what do you call the last four years of political and media elites falsely smearing Trump as an illegitimate president? Based off of zero reliable evidence, his opponents tried to impeach him, and have been claiming cheating/collusion through his entire term. But suddenly in 2020, with this mass scale mail-in voting we've never done before, we have the "most secure election in history," and anyone questioning the results or wanting to investigate claims of fraud is a treasonous conspiracy theorist.

Does the hypocrisy at play here really escape your notice? Does this not seem shady to you at all how blatantly the narrative/attitude coming from Trump's opponents flipflops to make him out to be the villain and justifies their own actions?

Meanwhile in reality...

[Rusozak]

No.
CHAZ is not sedition.

The Trump supporters were because they were actually attempting to deny the legal democratic vote.

How is an 'autonomous zone' that occupied a police precinct along with several other blocks of property, and actively attempted to barricade out law enforcement in favor of their own self-policing (which failed miserably) NOT an attempt at sedition? It's not even a matter of whether or not you agree with what they did, literally the entire purpose of CHAZ was sedition.

And if the invasion of the Capital Building is sedition, what do you call the last four years of political and media elites falsely smearing Trump as an illegitimate president? Based off of zero reliable evidence, his opponents tried to impeach him, and have been claiming cheating/collusion through his entire term. But suddenly in 2020, with this mass scale mail-in voting we've never done before, we have the "most secure election in history," and anyone questioning the results or wanting to investigate claims of fraud is a treasonous conspiracy theorist.

Does the hypocrisy at play here really escape your notice? Does this not seem shady to you at all how blatantly the narrative/attitude coming from Trump's opponents flipflops to make him out to be the villain and justifies their own actions?

...

They're treasonous for storming the capitol building and threatening to hang the Vice President. Don't kid you're yourself. Trumpers can't attack the federal government then play the persecution card when the feds go after them.

[Celritannia]

No.
CHAZ is not sedition.

The Trump supporters were because they were actually attempting to deny the legal democratic vote.

That's not what sedition means.

To wit:

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

Given CHAZ explicitly was using force to prevent, hinder, or delay execution of laws of the United States (and also the state of Washington, but that doesn't matter overmuch) and prevent agents from enforcing the law in their jurisdiction. They also seized property of the United States and declared it was no longer part of the United States.

So yes, they were both engaged in sedition. That's not ok.

I bolded the section on how the Trump supporters acted in seditious means.
Let's also remember they had armed individuals, pipe bombs, and wanted to hang PEnce.
But tell me again how that is not sedition.

CHAZ did not attempt to overthrow the government though.

[Galloism]

That's not what sedition means.

To wit:



Given CHAZ explicitly was using force to prevent, hinder, or delay execution of laws of the United States (and also the state of Washington, but that doesn't matter overmuch) and prevent agents from enforcing the law in their jurisdiction. They also seized property of the United States and declared it was no longer part of the United States.

So yes, they were both engaged in sedition. That's not ok.

I bolded the section on how the Trump supporters acted in seditious means.
Let's also remember they had armed individuals, pipe bombs, and wanted to hang PEnce.
But tell me again how that is not sedition.

It is sedition (and an attempted coup). Are you not reading my posts?

CHAZ did not attempt to overthrow the government though.

No, they attempted to use force to prevent, hinder, or delay execution of the laws of the United States, and used force to seize, take, or possess property of the United States (and declared it no longer belonging to the United States at all). That's called sedition (and stupid attempted secession).

[Celritannia]

I bolded the section on how the Trump supporters acted in seditious means.
Let's also remember they had armed individuals, pipe bombs, and wanted to hang PEnce.
But tell me again how that is not sedition.

It is sedition. Are you not reading my posts?

CHAZ did not attempt to overthrow the government though.

No, they attempted to use force to prevent, hinder, or delay execution of the laws of the United States, and used force to seize, take, or possess property of the United States (and declared it no longer belonging to the United States at all). That's called sedition.

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

IT was more than 2 people
They were subject to US jurisdiction.
They conspired to overthrow the the government, i.e. Congress by force.
They opposed the authority of Congress and the election result, and attempted to hinder and delay the election results.
They attempted to seize property of the US, the Capitol Building, by breaching it.

They didn't take US property, that property was theirs to begin with. They lived in there. Nor did they attempt to hinder US law, only stop police from continuing their brutal actions.

[Galloism]

It is sedition. Are you not reading my posts?



No, they attempted to use force to prevent, hinder, or delay execution of the laws of the United States, and used force to seize, take, or possess property of the United States (and declared it no longer belonging to the United States at all). That's called sedition.

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

IT was more than 2 people
They were subject to US jurisdiction.
They conspired to overthrow the the government, i.e. Congress by force.
They opposed the authority of Congress and the election result, and attempted to hinder and delay the election results.
They attempted to seize property of the US, the Capitol Building, by breaching it.

Yes, that's correct.

They didn't take US property, that property was theirs to begin with. They lived in their. Not did they attempt to hinder US law, only stop police from continuing their brutal actions.

The property they seized did not belong to them. The US government has sovereignty rights, a form of property interest, in all buildings, streets, light poles, stop signs, traffic barriers, sidewalks, sewers, and every blade of grass. That property interest was attempting to be denied due to their sedition and attempt at secession, including armed paramilitary forces to keep federal and state agents from enforcing their property interests.

Besides that, if they do not allow US law to be enforced in the jurisdiction, it is very specifically an attempt to hinder US law.

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If I see one more bad take about CHAZ I’m going to have a stroke

If I see one more bad post about the peaceful Trump supporters protesting the massive Democrat vote fraud, I am going to have a lol attack, so big it will be bad for my health.

For the record I condemn the right wingers who stormed the Capitol Building.

GMS.

It is extremely hypocritical to condone the voter fraud conspiracy while condemning the people who stormed the Capitol. They are directly related. Everyone who pushed the lie that Biden got 8 million fake votes was a participant in what happened.

[Vassenor]

If I see one more bad post about the peaceful Trump supporters protesting the massive Democrat vote fraud, I am going to have a lol attack, so big it will be bad for my health.

For the record I condemn the right wingers who stormed the Capitol Building.

GMS.

It is extremely hypocritical to condone the voter fraud conspiracy while condemning the people who stormed the Capitol. They are directly related. Everyone who pushed the lie that Biden got 8 million fake votes was a participant in what happened.

Especially when you keep refusing to provide evidence aside from a single video that has already been debunked repeatedly then hiding behind semantics when reminded of this fact.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Make America go to the bathroom to shit again

[His Excellence]

Meanwhile in reality...

Meanwhile in reality, over half a million Trump supporters gathered in DC, the only building that was damaged was a government building, and the only people who died were protestors, shot or thrown off balconies by police within minutes of their occupation.

Whereas mobs chanting "Black Lives Matter" spend months tearing apart predominately black communities, causing potentially unfixable damage to the livelihoods of everybody living there without resistance from law enforcement.

When the media and the government are on your side, you're NOT fighting against the system. When most of the people being directly hurt by an angry mob are black, that mob is NOT fighting for black people.

They're treasonous for storming the capitol building and threatening to hang the Vice President. Don't kid you're yourself. Trumpers can't attack the federal government then play the persecution card when the feds go after them.

Why not? BLM and Antifa rioters did. The people who barricaded and attempted to burn down an occupied federal building weren't considered seditious terrorists. The mobs chanting "kill all police" aren't considered a stain on that movement as a whole. But a bunch of LARPing idiots with Trump flags run into a federal building, not shooting or killing anyone in the process, and it's the darkest day in American history? Because some of them SAID they wanted to hang Pence? When people have been talking about wanting Trump dead for years? When a left aligned mob can shoot somebody in the head just because they're wearing a MAGA hat, then celebrate it, and still be considered the good guys?

It is extremely hypocritical to condone the voter fraud conspiracy while condemning the people who stormed the Capitol. They are directly related. Everyone who pushed the lie that Biden got 8 million fake votes was a participant in what happened.

It is extremely hypocritical for the elites who have spent the last four years claiming Trump cheated to be so persistently against even investigating claims Biden cheated, yet here we are.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Meanwhile in reality...

Meanwhile in reality, over half a million Trump supporters gathered in DC, the only building that was damaged was a government building, and the only people who died were protestors, shot or thrown off balconies by police within minutes of their occupation.

Whereas mobs chanting "Black Lives Matter" spend months tearing apart predominately black communities, causing potentially unfixable damage to the livelihoods of everybody living there without resistance from law enforcement.

When the media and the government are on your side, you're NOT fighting against the system. When most of the people being directly hurt by an angry mob are black, that mob is NOT fighting for black people.

They're treasonous for storming the capitol building and threatening to hang the Vice President. Don't kid you're yourself. Trumpers can't attack the federal government then play the persecution card when the feds go after them.

Why not? BLM and Antifa rioters did. The people who barricaded and attempted to burn down an occupied federal building weren't considered seditious terrorists. The mobs chanting "kill all police" aren't considered a stain on that movement as a whole. But a bunch of LARPing idiots with Trump flags run into a federal building, not shooting or killing anyone in the process, and it's the darkest day in American history? Because some of them SAID they wanted to hang Pence? When people have been talking about wanting Trump dead for years? When a left aligned mob can shoot somebody in the head just because they're wearing a MAGA hat, then celebrate it, and still be considered the good guys?

It is extremely hypocritical to condone the voter fraud conspiracy while condemning the people who stormed the Capitol. They are directly related. Everyone who pushed the lie that Biden got 8 million fake votes was a participant in what happened.

It is extremely hypocritical for the elites who have spent the last four years claiming Trump cheated to be so persistently against even investigating claims Biden cheated, yet here we are.

bruh


Just bruh. Your entire post is either lies or misleading. Downplaying acts of terrorsim and vandalism. For fucks sakes bombs where planted. Fucking bombs.

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile in reality...

Meanwhile in reality, over half a million Trump supporters gathered in DC, the only building that was damaged was a government building, and the only people who died were protestors, shot or thrown off balconies by police within minutes of their occupation.

Whereas mobs chanting "Black Lives Matter" spend months tearing apart predominately black communities, causing potentially unfixable damage to the livelihoods of everybody living there without resistance from law enforcement.

When the media and the government are on your side, you're NOT fighting against the system. When most of the people being directly hurt by an angry mob are black, that mob is NOT fighting for black people.

They're treasonous for storming the capitol building and threatening to hang the Vice President. Don't kid you're yourself. Trumpers can't attack the federal government then play the persecution card when the feds go after them.

Why not? BLM and Antifa rioters did. The people who barricaded and attempted to burn down an occupied federal building weren't considered seditious terrorists. The mobs chanting "kill all police" aren't considered a stain on that movement as a whole. But a bunch of LARPing idiots with Trump flags run into a federal building, not shooting or killing anyone in the process, and it's the darkest day in American history? Because some of them SAID they wanted to hang Pence? When people have been talking about wanting Trump dead for years? When a left aligned mob can shoot somebody in the head just because they're wearing a MAGA hat, then celebrate it, and still be considered the good guys?

It is extremely hypocritical to condone the voter fraud conspiracy while condemning the people who stormed the Capitol. They are directly related. Everyone who pushed the lie that Biden got 8 million fake votes was a participant in what happened.

It is extremely hypocritical for the elites who have spent the last four years claiming Trump cheated to be so persistently against even investigating claims Biden cheated, yet here we are.

So what is the evidence that Biden cheated?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So what is the evidence that Biden cheated?

I found it

[His Excellence]

bruh


Just bruh. Your entire post is either lies or misleading. Downplaying acts of terrorsim and vandalism. For fucks sakes bombs where planted. Fucking bombs.

Oh, okay, my bad, ONE police officer died. Over half a million crazed gunmen attacked the capitol, and ONE cop died, so everybody there is responsible and all Trumpers are villains. But no matter how many people or cops are attacked/murdered as a result of left wing mobs, it doesn't reflect badly on them as a whole, right? They're totally just peacefully protesting, no matter how much terrorism and vandalism they resort to.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

bruh

Oh, okay, my bad, ONE police officer died. Over half a million crazed gunmen attacked the capitol, and ONE cop died, so everybody there is responsible and all Trumpers are villains. But no matter how many people or cops are attacked/murdered as a result of left wing mobs, it doesn't reflect badly on them as a whole, right?

You seem rather callous about this mans death for someone who has most likely said blue lives matter in the past.

Also I've been consistent in calling the riots shitty and those responsible shitty people. However the riots where only around 5% of the protests while 95% of them where peaceful.

Oh and BLM didn't try to overturn a legal election by murdering a cop.

[Celritannia]

IT was more than 2 people
They were subject to US jurisdiction.
They conspired to overthrow the the government, i.e. Congress by force.
They opposed the authority of Congress and the election result, and attempted to hinder and delay the election results.
They attempted to seize property of the US, the Capitol Building, by breaching it.

Yes, that's correct.

They didn't take US property, that property was theirs to begin with. They lived in their. Not did they attempt to hinder US law, only stop police from continuing their brutal actions.

The property they seized did not belong to them. The US government has sovereignty rights, a form of property interest, in all buildings, streets, light poles, stop signs, traffic barriers, sidewalks, sewers, and every blade of grass. That property interest was attempting to be denied due to their sedition and attempt at secession, including armed paramilitary forces to keep federal and state agents from enforcing their property interests.

Besides that, if they do not allow US law to be enforced in the jurisdiction, it is very specifically an attempt to hinder US law.

So saying the caused sedition because they did not agree with the vote is not wrong.

And they gave a list of demands.
That's more like a union requesting demands from an employer. Actual demands are concepts of protests too.
It was not sedition.
They did not attempt to secede, FFS.

[Vassenor]

bruh

Oh, okay, my bad, ONE police officer died. Over half a million crazed gunmen attacked the capitol, and ONE cop died, so everybody there is responsible and all Trumpers are villains. But no matter how many people or cops are attacked/murdered as a result of left wing mobs, it doesn't reflect badly on them as a whole, right?

You're getting straw on the carpet.

[Spirit of Hope]

Meanwhile in reality...

Meanwhile in reality, over half a million Trump supporters gathered in DC, the only building that was damaged was a government building, and the only people who died were protestors, shot or thrown off balconies by police within minutes of their occupation.

I am unaware of police throwing protestors off balconies, do you have any evidence to back that claim up?

Whereas mobs chanting "Black Lives Matter" spend months tearing apart predominately black communities, causing potentially unfixable damage to the livelihoods of everybody living there without resistance from law enforcement.

The police routinely intervened during the BLM protests, around 90% of which were peaceful.

They're treasonous for storming the capitol building and threatening to hang the Vice President. Don't kid you're yourself. Trumpers can't attack the federal government then play the persecution card when the feds go after them.

Why not? BLM and Antifa rioters did. The people who barricaded and attempted to burn down an occupied federal building weren't considered seditious terrorists. The mobs chanting "kill all police" aren't considered a stain on that movement as a whole.

I certainly feel chanting kill the police is a bad look, but again the vast majority of BLM protests were peaceful. They also didn't try and stop the legal and peaceful transfer of power following an election.

But a bunch of LARPing idiots with Trump flags run into a federal building, not shooting or killing anyone in the process, and it's the darkest day in American history?

A police officer is dead, and a number of others were injured. Also, again, they interrupt the legal and peaceful transfer of power, while Trump was calling for Congress to illegally block the transfer of power.

Because some of them SAID they wanted to hang Pence?

And killed a member of the Capital Police, while assaulting others. All while armed with guns, bombs, and Molotov cocktails.

When people have been talking about wanting Trump dead for years? When a left aligned mob can shoot somebody in the head just because they're wearing a MAGA hat, then celebrate it, and still be considered the good guys?

Evidence that a mob shot someone for wearing a MAGA hat and we're still called good guys by main stream Democrats?

It is extremely hypocritical to condone the voter fraud conspiracy while condemning the people who stormed the Capitol. They are directly related. Everyone who pushed the lie that Biden got 8 million fake votes was a participant in what happened.

It is extremely hypocritical for the elites who have spent the last four years claiming Trump cheated to be so persistently against even investigating claims Biden cheated, yet here we are.

There have been investigations into if Biden cheated. The AG said there was no evidence of fraud. Multiple courts have reviewed election challenges and thrown them out as unfounded.

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bruh


Just bruh. Your entire post is either lies or misleading. Downplaying acts of terrorsim and vandalism. For fucks sakes bombs where planted. Fucking bombs.

Oh, okay, my bad, ONE police officer died. Over half a million crazed gunmen attacked the capitol, and ONE cop died, so everybody there is responsible and all Trumpers are villains. But no matter how many people or cops are attacked/murdered as a result of left wing mobs, it doesn't reflect badly on them as a whole, right? They're totally just peacefully protesting, no matter how much terrorism and vandalism they resort to.

Almost all politically motivated killings of police officers in America are done by right-wing extremists.

[The Alma Mater]

Oh, okay, my bad, ONE police officer died. Over half a million crazed gunmen attacked the capitol, and ONE cop died, so everybody there is responsible and all Trumpers are villains. But no matter how many people or cops are attacked/murdered as a result of left wing mobs, it doesn't reflect badly on them as a whole, right? They're totally just peacefully protesting, no matter how much terrorism and vandalism they resort to.

Almost all politically motivated killings of police officers in America are done by right-wing extremists.

As a side note - the MAIN cause of death for cops last year, by far, was Covid.
Perhaps we should name the people who refused to wear mask and social distance copkillers.

[His Excellence]

You seem rather callous about this mans death for someone who has most likely said blue lives matter in the past.

And people saying black lives matter sure seem pretty callous about the deaths and hardship imposed on the decent law abiding majority of black people by rioters (of all races) using racial strife as an excuse to rampage, without regard for how they're exacerbating that exact issue.

This officer's death may or may not be a tragedy. I don't know who he was as a person or as a member of law enforcement, whether he was part of the systemic issues or not. But too many times I've been tricked into grieving for scumbags, so you'll have to excuse me if I'm not immediately groveling over the death of somebody whose department executed four "peaceful protestors" (to use the establishment's parlance) while protecting the certification of a fraudulent election. That officer's blood is as much on the hands of everybody complicit in this fraud as it is on the hands of the people who killed him, just like every cop shot or killed as result of "kill all cops" or "ACAB" rhetoric has their blood on the hands of the people accusing cops of being genocidal white supremacists.

[Vassenor]

You seem rather callous about this mans death for someone who has most likely said blue lives matter in the past.

And people saying black lives matter sure seem pretty callous about the deaths and hardship imposed on the decent law abiding majority of black people by rioters (of all races) using racial strife as an excuse to rampage, without regard for how they're exacerbating that exact issue.

This officer's death may or may not be a tragedy. I don't know who he was as a person or as a member of law enforcement, whether he was part of the systemic issues or not. But too many times I've been tricked into grieving for scumbags, so you'll have to excuse me if I'm not immediately groveling over the death of somebody whose department executed four "peaceful protestors" (to use the establishment's parlance) while protecting the certification of a fraudulent election. That officer's blood is as much on the hands of everybody complicit in this fraud as it is on the hands of the people who killed him, just like every cop shot or killed as result of "kill all cops" or "ACAB" rhetoric has their blood on the hands of the people accusing cops of being genocidal white supremacists.

Still waiting for your evidence that this election was fraudulent.