MAGAThread XX: A Journal of the Plague Year

[Kowani]

We do.
See, we're "energy independent" not because we don't import oil. (We imported about 9.1 million barrels per day just last year.) "Energy independence" just means we export more than we import.

Hence, we still have to worry about the price.

I am aware of that last bit, that we still import. But we aren't totally dependent on the world market now as far as I'm aware. Like I said, I know I don't totally understand the ramifications, but at face value to me, it means gtfo of other countries.

From the perspective of the fossil fuel industry and their puppet politicians? No.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Trump supporters harassed, attacked at MAGA march in DC amid clashes with counter-protesters; arrests made

Seeing those videos of peaceful Trump supporters being attacked and diners, women, children, and elderly people being harassed REALLY makes my blood boil. Antifa thugs chanting "Black Lives Matter" while assaulting and accosting Trump supporters tells us what Antifa and BLM actually stand for. That's the "loving, tolerant Left" for you and Joe Biden's victory and Trump's defeat will only embolden these violent, far-left extremists to completely and totally silence all political dissent through violence and intimidation the moment their politically useful, neoliberal proxy is in office. Kind of reminds me of those CCP-paid thugs savagely assaulting commuters returning from a pro-democracy protest at Yuen Long Station in Hong Kong. And I only found out about these attacks just now from Fox News. The BBC and other MSM outlets have made, at most, only a passing reference to "violent clashes" between "pro- and anti-Trump demonstrators".

‘Traitors to the president’: Conservatives fear public preparation for Biden term

Some conservative activists have found ways to toe the line amid threats of ostracization if they legitimize Biden as the next Oval Office occupant. In statements and internal communications, they nod to the president’s ability to challenge the outcome of the 2020 election, even as they encourage their own donors and activist networks to begin thinking about a Democratic administration.

“We’re preparing for all outcomes, because you have to,” said Rachel Bovard, senior director of policy at the Conservative Partnership Institute. “We support President Trump pursuing all his legal avenues because that’s his right, but to be prudent we also need to talk about what a Biden presidency, even a Democratic-controlled Senate, means for the country.”

“We don’t want to be caught flat-footed in a situation where we are confronted with a Biden administration,” she added.

Not good. Donald Trump is making the same mistake he did with the coronavirus. He should, at the very least, acknowledge the mere possibility that Biden won the election and start preparing himself and his supporters for the "worst case scenario" of a Biden administration that, in my view, will almost certainly replace his own on Jan. 20.

Mike Pompeo's reference to a "second Trump administration" has also dashed any hopes that a staunchly anti-CCP Secretary of State such as himself would be retained under a Biden administration.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

Trump supporters harassed, attacked at MAGA march in DC amid clashes with counter-protesters; arrests made

Seeing those videos of peaceful Trump supporters being attacked and diners, women, children, and elderly people being harassed REALLY makes my blood boil. Antifa thugs chanting "Black Lives Matter" while assaulting and accosting Trump supporters tells us what Antifa and BLM actually stand for. That's the "loving, tolerant Left" for you and Joe Biden's victory and Trump's defeat will only embolden these violent, far-left extremists to completely and totally silence all political dissent through violence and intimidation the moment their politically useful, neoliberal proxy is in office. Kind of reminds me of those CCP-paid thugs savagely assaulting commuters returning from a pro-democracy protest at Yuen Long Station in Hong Kong. And I only found out about these attacks just now from Fox News. The BBC and other MSM outlets have made, at most, only a passing reference to "violent clashes" between "pro- and anti-Trump demonstrators".

‘Traitors to the president’: Conservatives fear public preparation for Biden term

Some conservative activists have found ways to toe the line amid threats of ostracization if they legitimize Biden as the next Oval Office occupant. In statements and internal communications, they nod to the president’s ability to challenge the outcome of the 2020 election, even as they encourage their own donors and activist networks to begin thinking about a Democratic administration.

“We’re preparing for all outcomes, because you have to,” said Rachel Bovard, senior director of policy at the Conservative Partnership Institute. “We support President Trump pursuing all his legal avenues because that’s his right, but to be prudent we also need to talk about what a Biden presidency, even a Democratic-controlled Senate, means for the country.”

“We don’t want to be caught flat-footed in a situation where we are confronted with a Biden administration,” she added.

Not good. Donald Trump is making the same mistake he did with the coronavirus. He should, at the very least, acknowledge the mere possibility that Biden won the election and start preparing himself and his supporters for the "worst case scenario" of a Biden administration that, in my view, will almost certainly replace his own on Jan. 20.

Mike Pompeo's reference to a "second Trump administration" has also dashed any hopes that a staunchly anti-CCP Secretary of State such as himself would be retained under a Biden administration.

Pompeo was never going to be retained as Secretary of State. He had no outstanding intelligence or foreign policy chops before entering the Trump administration, and has always acted in a partisan manner.

Anti-China sentiment is a pretty widely held position in the Washington establishment nowadays. Biden is just going to go about things in a different way compared to Trump.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

Trump supporters harassed, attacked at MAGA march in DC amid clashes with counter-protesters; arrests made

Seeing those videos of peaceful Trump supporters being attacked and diners, women, children, and elderly people being harassed REALLY makes my blood boil. Antifa thugs chanting "Black Lives Matter" while assaulting and accosting Trump supporters tells us what Antifa and BLM actually stand for. That's the "loving, tolerant Left" for you and Joe Biden's victory and Trump's defeat will only embolden these violent, far-left extremists to completely and totally silence all political dissent through violence and intimidation the moment their politically useful, neoliberal proxy is in office. Kind of reminds me of those CCP-paid thugs savagely assaulting commuters returning from a pro-democracy protest at Yuen Long Station in Hong Kong. And I only found out about these attacks just now from Fox News. The BBC and other MSM outlets have made, at most, only a passing reference to "violent clashes" between "pro- and anti-Trump demonstrators".

‘Traitors to the president’: Conservatives fear public preparation for Biden term



Not good. Donald Trump is making the same mistake he did with the coronavirus. He should, at the very least, acknowledge the mere possibility that Biden won the election and start preparing himself and his supporters for the "worst case scenario" of a Biden administration that, in my view, will almost certainly replace his own on Jan. 20.

Mike Pompeo's reference to a "second Trump administration" has also dashed any hopes that a staunchly anti-CCP Secretary of State such as himself would be retained under a Biden administration.

Pompeo was never going to be retained as Secretary of State. He had no real intelligence or foreign policy chops before entering the Trump administration, and has always acted in a partisan manner.

Anti-China sentiment is a pretty widely held position in the Washington establishment nowadays. Biden is just going to go about things in a different way compared to Trump.

And yeah, the violence (by leftist counter-protestors, Proud Boys, whoever) is unfortunate. It probably wouldn't be occurring if Trump was acting in a more Presidential manner right now, but it's unacceptable in any case.

[Senkaku]

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Me too. Well, not fracking for natural gas, but I'm fine with moving all our fancy drilling equipment and the people employed operating it over to the development of new geothermal power systems. Much less environmentally damaging.

I'm guessing you meant the other kind, though. What exactly do you find desirable about fracking for natural gas extraction?

There are administration officials literally saying it, so not sure what's uncertain for you here.


The notion that fossil fuels are the only or best path to energy independence is laughable.

If you're referring green energy, we're not there yet, and that's all there is to it. Wind is obscenely expensive at the moment, solar just isn't quite where it needs to be. Now, I totally support the subsidizing of the private industry's development of green energy sources, but right now, yes, fracking seems to be the best move.

This is total horseshit that people heard in the 90s and still believe because it sounds kinda plausible and they haven’t heard anything else since. In a lot of cases now it’s cheaper to build *new* renewable capacity, especially solar, than just to *maintain* existing fossil fuel installations. And given that the subsidies the fossil fuel sector receives vastly outweigh state investment in renewable energy, it’d be all the more in favor of green energy sources if we even just let the free market go to town— shifting more significant state subsidies towards renewables would blow the fossil fuel industry out of the water. And it’ll employ lots of people, too.

But people have an idea that practical sources of carbon-free power are still a hyper advanced-technological pipe dream that won’t happen till they’re old— the same delusion people continue to indulge in when it comes to living through the consequences of climate change. Both revolutions are happening in front of your eyes, and you need to recognize both of them and act accordingly if you want our civilization to have a fighting chance.

[Senkaku]

We do.
See, we're "energy independent" not because we don't import oil. (We imported about 9.1 million barrels per day just last year.) "Energy independence" just means we export more than we import.

Hence, we still have to worry about the price.

I am aware of that last bit, that we still import. But we aren't totally dependent on the world market now as far as I'm aware. Like I said, I know I don't totally understand the ramifications, but at face value to me, it means gtfo of other countries.

I’m glad at “face value” it has an emotional meaning to you that is totally divorced from the practical reality lol what a sound basis for policymaking

[Eukaryotic Cells]

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If you're referring green energy, we're not there yet, and that's all there is to it. Wind is obscenely expensive at the moment, solar just isn't quite where it needs to be. Now, I totally support the subsidizing of the private industry's development of green energy sources, but right now, yes, fracking seems to be the best move.

This is total horseshit that people heard in the 90s and still believe because it sounds kinda plausible and they haven’t heard anything else since. In a lot of cases now it’s cheaper to build *new* renewable capacity, especially solar, than just to *maintain* existing fossil fuel installations. And given that the subsidies the fossil fuel sector receives vastly outweigh state investment in renewable energy, it’d be all the more in favor of green energy sources if we even just let the free market go to town— shifting more significant state subsidies towards renewables would blow the fossil fuel industry out of the water. And it’ll employ lots of people, too.

But people have an idea that practical sources of carbon-free power are still a hyper advanced-technological pipe dream that won’t happen till they’re old— the same delusion people continue to indulge in when it comes to living through the consequences of climate change. Both revolutions are happening in front of your eyes, and you need to recognize both of them and act accordingly if you want our civilization to have a fighting chance.

If you guys are GE stockholders or just follow the company, you'll be aware of just how competitive renewables are now. They've had a lot of issues in their traditional fossil fuel based power business, partly because steam and gas turbines are facing stiff competition from wind and solar. Siemens has had similar problems, although I'm less familiar with them.

The hard part of the energy transition will be achieving very high levels of renewables penetration on the grid. We'll have to invest in things like storage and a more flexible power transmission system in order to make it work well.

[Kowani]

The state lawsuits against Trump continue to expand...

[Geneviev]

The state lawsuits against Trump continue to expand...

That's not really good news.

[Kowani]

The state lawsuits against Trump continue to expand...

That's not really good news.

Well. It kind of is.

[Geneviev]

That's not really good news.

Well. It kind of is.

No, no it's not. Trump is going to be more desperate to stay in office with each lawsuit.

[Kowani]

Well. It kind of is.

No, no it's not. Trump is going to be more desperate to stay in office with each lawsuit.

It's not a new lawsuit.
It's an expansion of an already existing one.
Anyway, there's not much he can do...

[Geneviev]

No, no it's not. Trump is going to be more desperate to stay in office with each lawsuit.

It's not a new lawsuit.
It's an expansion of an already existing one.
Anyway, there's not much he can do...

There's more lawsuits, which I was thinking of. He wants immunity. And he will try to keep it.

[Kowani]

It's not a new lawsuit.
It's an expansion of an already existing one.
Anyway, there's not much he can do...

There's more lawsuits, which I was thinking of. He wants immunity. And he will try to keep it.

Unfortunately for him, he won't get it.

[Geneviev]

There's more lawsuits, which I was thinking of. He wants immunity. And he will try to keep it.

Unfortunately for him, he won't get it.

But he'll try, and that's the worst thing that can happen to this country right now.

[Cultural Posadism]

Seeing those videos of peaceful Trump supporters being attacked

Ah, yes, those peaceful Proud Boys.

[Albrenia]

Seeing those videos of peaceful Trump supporters being attacked

Ah, yes, those peaceful Proud Boys.

Even though GHK's post is, as usual, full of garbage claims and the baseless assumption that Trump = Freedom and Biden = CCP, I will condemn any violence done to peaceful protestors, particularly of the families that were there.

I figure the truth is probably far less one-sided, with many on the 'law and order' right likely responsible for attacking counter-protestors too.

[Cultural Posadism]

Ah, yes, those peaceful Proud Boys.

Even though GHK's post is, as usual, full of garbage claims and the baseless assumption that Trump = Freedom and Biden = CCP, I will condemn any violence done to peaceful protestors, particularly of the families that were there.

I figure the truth is probably far less one-sided, with many on the 'law and order' right likely responsible for attacking counter-protestors too.

From what I recall, the Proud Boys incited the violence in the first place.

But also, fuuuuuck being balanced and nuanced on this particular issue, precisely because of how GHK has chosen to frame it. If GHK wants to overgeneralize and play the association fallacy game, then he should expect to be repaid in kind. Ergo, as far as I'm concerned, the violence instigated by the Proud Boys in DC tells us what Trumpists like GHK actually stand for. That's the "freedom loving right" for you and Trump's defeat will only embolden these violent, far-right extremists to completely and totally silence all political dissent through violence and intimidation.

Sorry, Glorious Hong Kong, but if all BLM and all the left are responsible for rioters in DC, then all right-wingers like you are responsible for violent fascist groups like the Proud Boys.

[Diarcesia]

Even though GHK's post is, as usual, full of garbage claims and the baseless assumption that Trump = Freedom and Biden = CCP, I will condemn any violence done to peaceful protestors, particularly of the families that were there.

I figure the truth is probably far less one-sided, with many on the 'law and order' right likely responsible for attacking counter-protestors too.

From what I recall, the Proud Boys incited the violence in the first place.

But also, fuuuuuck being balanced and nuanced on this particular issue, precisely because of how GHK has chosen to frame it. If GHK wants to overgeneralize and play the association fallacy game, then he should expect to be repaid in kind. Ergo, as far as I'm concerned, the violence instigated by the Proud Boys in DC tells us what Trumpists like GHK actually stand for. That's the "freedom loving right" for you and Trump's defeat will only embolden these violent, far-right extremists to completely and totally silence all political dissent through violence and intimidation.

Sorry, Glorious Hong Kong, but if all BLM and all the left are responsible for rioters in DC, then all right-wingers like you are responsible for violent fascist groups like the Proud Boys.

That is fair. Although I don't see the Proud Boys putting minority districts to the torch or inciting race riots (yet). Then again, it's more of the case that the right-leaning groups are more well-defined.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

In general, political violence is unacceptable. Picking which group to condemn or which group to praise is another one of Trump's divisive tactics. He is an expert at setting people against one another.

[The Black Forrest]

The state lawsuits against Trump continue to expand...

That's not really good news.

Hmm? Well? Yes and no. At least the states understand they need election laws where candidates need to start paying for them court time. Especially when they loose or drop.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

In general, political violence is unacceptable. Picking which group to condemn or which group to praise is another one of Trump's divisive tactics. He is an expert at setting people against one another.

I mean, ideally we should resolve our issues at the ballot box. If you want to take things a step further, engage in peaceful political activism. Donate, volunteer, protest, whatever. People who engage in violence should be shunned and marginalized.

Look at the situation we're in now. The current leader of the country is refusing to accept the results of the election. Violent groups which engage in street fighting like it's Weimar Germany are household names. Our "leader" mentions these groups constantly, bringing them into mainstream political discourse. I really dislike what's been done to the country over the past 4 years.

[Kowani]

From what I recall, the Proud Boys incited the violence in the first place.

But also, fuuuuuck being balanced and nuanced on this particular issue, precisely because of how GHK has chosen to frame it. If GHK wants to overgeneralize and play the association fallacy game, then he should expect to be repaid in kind. Ergo, as far as I'm concerned, the violence instigated by the Proud Boys in DC tells us what Trumpists like GHK actually stand for. That's the "freedom loving right" for you and Trump's defeat will only embolden these violent, far-right extremists to completely and totally silence all political dissent through violence and intimidation.

Sorry, Glorious Hong Kong, but if all BLM and all the left are responsible for rioters in DC, then all right-wingers like you are responsible for violent fascist groups like the Proud Boys.

That is fair. Although I don't see the Proud Boys putting minority districts to the torch or inciting race riots (yet). Then again, it's more of the case that the right-leaning groups are more well-defined.

The PB stabbed like 3 people-

[Nobel Hobos 2]

That is fair. Although I don't see the Proud Boys putting minority districts to the torch or inciting race riots (yet). Then again, it's more of the case that the right-leaning groups are more well-defined.

The PB stabbed like 3 people-

That's so polite, it's positively English. Were these boys too young to carry guns?

[Aclion]

That is fair. Although I don't see the Proud Boys putting minority districts to the torch or inciting race riots (yet). Then again, it's more of the case that the right-leaning groups are more well-defined.

The PB stabbed like 3 people-

Source on this, all I could find is https://nypost.com/2020/11/04/proud-boy ... blm-in-dc/