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Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:47 pm**

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Don’t worry. Biden will do that himself.

Why do you hate having free healthcare so much though?

I don’t think that personal slight will matter much, tbh. It should, mind, but I don’t think it will. If you’re willing to work with McConnell, who might as well be Trump himself in terms of enabling him, then I don’t see Trump as being a bridge too far.

In my view, Biden should burn all bridges to the Republican party and govern with the whole democratic party, but he won’t want to.

He's an Icelandic dude living in Iceland pretending to be a Chinese man living in Ohio. He already has free healthcare.

I can post a picture of myself if you want

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:48 pm**

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
The GOP has regularly proven they only care about making a quick buck for themselves at the expense of the American people - including their own constituents.

I don't want the Dems to work with them; I want the Dems to fight their rampant corruption and I want Reps to stop looking the other way.

I agree but the other way around, the Republicans shouldn’t compromise with a party whose supporters are calling for destroying the values America was founded on and who praise Fidel Castro and Mao Zedong

Welcome to "the problems with only two major parties".

Our latest problem: unironic socialists and barely-leftists have to share a party.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:50 pm**

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
He's an Icelandic dude living in Iceland pretending to be a Chinese man living in Ohio. He already has free healthcare.

I can post a picture of myself if you want

Post whatever you want. Either Kexholm Karelia is the real you of Aureumterra is the real you. We all already know you're the same person either way. Just give it up already.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:50 pm**

Rusozak wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:I hope Mitch McConnell does everything possible to stop AOC and the other leftist Democrats from influencing the Biden administration

Imagine unironically supporting Mitch McConnell. I mean, Trump was bad but Mitch is like the devil.

He saved the people from the wicked Merrick Garland.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:53 pm**

Telconi wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Imagine unironically supporting Mitch McConnell. I mean, Trump was bad but Mitch is like the devil.

He saved the people from the wicked Merrick Garland.

Yeah only a Republican gets to appoint Supreme Court judges.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:54 pm**

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
He saved the people from the wicked Merrick Garland.

Yeah only a Republican gets to appoint Supreme Court judges.

why do you engage with him

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:56 pm**

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
The GOP has regularly proven they only care about making a quick buck for themselves at the expense of the American people - including their own constituents.

I don't want the Dems to work with them; I want the Dems to fight their rampant corruption and I want Reps to stop looking the other way.

I agree but the other way around, the Republicans shouldn’t compromise with a party whose supporters are calling for destroying the values America was founded on and who praise Fidel Castro and Mao Zedong

I mean I'd ask for evidence, but you're never going to provide it. Just flee from the discussion then come back later and keep repeating the same tired old shtick about how the Democrats want to turn America into Literally Venezuela through indeterminate means.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:58 pm**

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
He saved the people from the wicked Merrick Garland.

Yeah only a Republican gets to appoint Supreme Court judges.

To a very small degree, there is an argument to be made that Garland wouldn't have been a particularly good justice. Not that he was some bleeding heart activist judge, which is nonsense given his judicial records as being a staunch textualist, but rather he had a tendency to avoid controversial cases and deferred to lower court decisions. While there is meritnto this, the purpose of Supreme Court justices is to hear matters of extreme controversy, in the legal sense, and make a judgment on them if appropriate. You don't want a strict textualist who avoids controversy in the Supreme Court, as they are there to rule on the ambiguities and vagueries in the law.

Now, granted, this is not what McConnell at all argued in the least. He was just a being a slimy weasel in my opinion.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:59 pm**

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
He saved the people from the wicked Merrick Garland.

Yeah only a Republican gets to appoint Supreme Court judges.

Hey, your senators all think the same thing.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:07 pm**

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
The GOP has regularly proven they only care about making a quick buck for themselves at the expense of the American people - including their own constituents.

I don't want the Dems to work with them; I want the Dems to fight their rampant corruption and I want Reps to stop looking the other way.

I agree but the other way around, the Republicans shouldn’t compromise with a party whose supporters are calling for destroying the values America was founded on

What values? And please, try to be specific and evidence-based about it for a change.

and who praise Fidel Castro and Mao Zedong

I know Bernie Sanders had praise for some of Fidel Castro's policies... which is pretty based and also objectively correct, because a lot of what Castro's regime did for Cuba was amazing. Haven't heard of a single Democrat praising Mao, though, and you really shouldn't be whining about politicians praising leftist dictators when Trump, the guy you endlessly simp for, has repeatedly praised both Kim Jong-un and Xi Jinping.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:29 pm**

Cultural Posadism wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:I agree but the other way around, the Republicans shouldn’t compromise with a party whose supporters are calling for destroying the values America was founded on

What values? And please, try to be specific and evidence-based about it for a change.

Obviously the Great American Values of buying slaves to farm cash crops, oppressing women, propping up dictators and terrorists, and persecuting anyone who isn't Protestant. Can't think of anything more traditionally America.

I know Bernie Sanders had praise for some of Fidel Castro's policies... which is pretty based and also objectively correct, because a lot of what Castro's regime did for Cuba was amazing. Haven't heard of a single Democrat praising Mao, though, and you really shouldn't be whining about politicians praising leftist dictators when Trump, the guy you endlessly simp for, has repeatedly praised both Kim Jong-un and Xi Jinping.

A lot...a LOT of Cubans are going to disagree with you on that Castro bit. Cuba has a nice long history of human rights violations and suppressions which is only now starting to improve. And pretty much all improvements have been Raul undoing Fidel's mess. Under Fidel, the country was a nightmare. Under Raul less so.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:36 pm**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I don’t think that personal slight will matter much, tbh. It should, mind, but I don’t think it will. If you’re willing to work with McConnell, who might as well be Trump himself in terms of enabling him, then I don’t see Trump as being a bridge too far.

There's a big difference. Come January 20th, there's no reason to give a shit about Trump's demented ranting. McConnell, on the other hand, may well still be Senate Majority Leader, and still wielding an absolute block on the nation's legislature, which he's shown no qualms about using even against critical legislation in national emergencies. I don't know that it's possible to work with McConnell such that the government actually becomes functional again, but it might be worth a try, especially if he ends up in a situation where, say, Romney getting out of line can flip things on him and his absolute power starts looking a little shaky.

In my view, Biden should burn all bridges to the Republican party and govern with the whole democratic party, but he won’t want to.

That would be my preference, too, but depending how things work out in Georgia, governing without McConnell may well mean "governing by executive order", and normalizing that may be the worst long-term damage McConnell and Trump have done to America. And, y'know, makes the entire legislative branch, be they centrist or progressive or openly fascist, irrelevant anyway.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:20 pm**

Kungsu wrote:
Cultural Posadism wrote:What values? And please, try to be specific and evidence-based about it for a change.

Obviously the Great American Values of buying slaves to farm cash crops, oppressing women, propping up dictators and terrorists, and persecuting anyone who isn't Protestant. Can't think of anything more traditionally America.
I know Bernie Sanders had praise for some of Fidel Castro's policies... which is pretty based and also objectively correct, because a lot of what Castro's regime did for Cuba was amazing. Haven't heard of a single Democrat praising Mao, though, and you really shouldn't be whining about politicians praising leftist dictators when Trump, the guy you endlessly simp for, has repeatedly praised both Kim Jong-un and Xi Jinping.

A lot...a LOT of Cubans are going to disagree with you on that Castro bit. Cuba has a nice long history of human rights violations and suppressions which is only now starting to improve. And pretty much all improvements have been Raul undoing Fidel's mess. Under Fidel, the country was a nightmare. Under Raul less so.

Cuba under Fidel improved its Healthcare and education, but many Cubans were persecuted by Fidel. It was a little bit of good and bad, and I personally would not praise Fidel.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:38 pm**

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Kungsu wrote:Obviously the Great American Values of buying slaves to farm cash crops, oppressing women, propping up dictators and terrorists, and persecuting anyone who isn't Protestant. Can't think of anything more traditionally America.

A lot...a LOT of Cubans are going to disagree with you on that Castro bit. Cuba has a nice long history of human rights violations and suppressions which is only now starting to improve. And pretty much all improvements have been Raul undoing Fidel's mess. Under Fidel, the country was a nightmare. Under Raul less so.

Cuba under Fidel improved its Healthcare and education, but many Cubans were persecuted by Fidel. It was a little bit of good and bad, and I personally would not praise Fidel.

That’s like saying "Hitler was a little bit of good and bad. He killed millions of Jews but improved Germany’s infrastructure and economy after the depression"

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:40 pm**

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Cuba under Fidel improved its Healthcare and education, but many Cubans were persecuted by Fidel. It was a little bit of good and bad, and I personally would not praise Fidel.

That’s like saying "Hitler was a little bit of good and bad. He killed millions of Jews but improved Germany’s infrastructure and economy after the depression"

I mean he did though. We can factually say that while also admitting he killed millions of innocent people and caused a horrible war.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:42 pm**

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Cuba under Fidel improved its Healthcare and education, but many Cubans were persecuted by Fidel. It was a little bit of good and bad, and I personally would not praise Fidel.

That’s like saying "Hitler was a little bit of good and bad. He killed millions of Jews but improved Germany’s infrastructure and economy after the depression"

He actually didn't, the German economy still was doing pretty "Meh" for a lot of his rule.

Mainly because economic hardship is a great way to control the masses, which is what most of the American Fascists (Or GOP, if you prefer) have been doing with Reaganomics.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:43 pm**

New haven america wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:That’s like saying "Hitler was a little bit of good and bad. He killed millions of Jews but improved Germany’s infrastructure and economy after the depression"

He actually didn't, the German economy still was doing pretty "Meh" for a lot of his rule.

Mainly because economic hardship is a great way to control the masses, which is what most of the American Fascists (Or GOP, if you prefer) have been doing with Reaganomics.

That beats the Weimar Republic's hyperinflation scenario, but that's beside the point.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:44 pm**

New haven america wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:That’s like saying "Hitler was a little bit of good and bad. He killed millions of Jews but improved Germany’s infrastructure and economy after the depression"

He actually didn't, the German economy still was doing pretty "Meh" for a lot of his rule.

Mainly because economic hardship is a great way to control the masses, which is what most of the American Fascists (Or GOP, if you prefer) have been doing with Reaganomics.

So now you are calling all Republicans Facists?

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:45 pm**

Diarcesia wrote:
New haven america wrote:He actually didn't, the German economy still was doing pretty "Meh" for a lot of his rule.

Mainly because economic hardship is a great way to control the masses, which is what most of the American Fascists (Or GOP, if you prefer) have been doing with Reaganomics.

That beats the Weimar Republic's hyperinflation scenario, but that's beside the point.

That is correct.

But the main benefactors of said economic growth were the military and Nazi industrialists. The average person? Eh, food and housing was more affordable but that was pretty much it, average life in Nazi Germany wasn't too dissimilar compared to how it had been for the majority of the early 20th century Germany.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:46 pm**

Romextly wrote:
New haven america wrote:He actually didn't, the German economy still was doing pretty "Meh" for a lot of his rule.

Mainly because economic hardship is a great way to control the masses, which is what most of the American Fascists (Or GOP, if you prefer) have been doing with Reaganomics.

So now you are calling all Republicans Facists?

No, I said most of the GOP are fascists.

What does the word "Most" mean Romextly?

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:23 pm**

New haven america wrote:
Romextly wrote:So now you are calling all Republicans Facists?

No, I said most of the GOP are fascists.

What does the word "Most" mean Romextly?

"Fascist" or "fascist"? There's a difference.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:35 pm**

Albrenia wrote:Bush was pretty good at dodging shoes, too. Not sure how Nicholas II was comparatively in footwear-avoidance skills.

Not great at dodging bullets, unfortunately. Then again, in a small room with bullets ricocheting everywear, who would be?

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:41 pm**

Ranoria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what was the motivation for Birtherism then if not race? Why the automatic assumption that Obama must have been born abroad and thus be ineligible?

Well, at least you're conceding that your point is hinged upon your assumption of racism, ignoring all other factors at play, seems to be a common trend. May I also presume that you then are aware of the very weak claim you're making?

Iirc, and I was young(er) at the time, there was some argument about Barack Obama's birth certificate not being found, and his not being an American citizen. That whole thing seemed weird to me even then, but that's where that stemmed from, not racism.

Oh no, it existed. Trump and those who were on that particular train declared it was a fake certificate.

Meanwile, John McCain was born in Panama, but on an American naval base, so he was a natural born citizen. But someone ignorant of the rules about that could have claimed that he had no right to run and been forgiven for not knowing how it worked.

Saying the birth certificate was a forgery, though -- you see where this is going? Any truth that was inconvenient has been labeled "fake" for the past six years. (pre-inauguration to today).

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:13 pm**

Katganistan wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Bush was pretty good at dodging shoes, too. Not sure how Nicholas II was comparatively in footwear-avoidance skills.

Not great at dodging bullets, unfortunately. Then again, in a small room with bullets ricocheting everywear, who would be?

Mother Russia ...for those who may appreciate her.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:20 pm**

New haven america wrote:
Romextly wrote:So now you are calling all Republicans Facists?

No, I said most of the GOP are fascists.

What does the word "Most" mean Romextly?

Oh are you still pretending fascist is anybody you don't like?

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