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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:41 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Another name that comes to mind is Ann Coulter, the pseudointellectual who thought we should basically glass the entire Middle East because some American backed jihadists turned on us and attacked us in 2001. No thought given to the complexity of the region or the United States' active role in promoting wahhabi terrorists while undermining secular governments. Just "nuke em." And millions of conservatives said "yeah she's a really smart woman with great ideas."


Ironcially, Ann Coulter is one of the loudest opponents of Trump; comparing him to a used car salesman who promises amazing things but never delivers.
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Nakena wrote:I am calling it: Trump gonna run in 2024. If he still can. He will.


I think we've suffered plenty enough as it is. He can rot in a federal prison.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:43 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Nakena wrote:I am calling it: Trump gonna run in 2024. If he still can. He will.


I think we've suffered plenty enough as it is. He can rot in a federal prison.

State prison, most likely. I fully expect Biden to pardon Trump.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:44 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Nakena wrote:I am calling it: Trump gonna run in 2024. If he still can. He will.


I think we've suffered plenty enough as it is. He can rot in a federal prison.


Theres still 70 million voters who wanted him to stay four more years in the White House. That will go somewhere. Altough I am not sure if he will be still able to run in 2024. I am fairly certain he may have to flee the country sooner than later.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:45 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I think we've suffered plenty enough as it is. He can rot in a federal prison.

State prison, most likely. I fully expect Biden to pardon Trump.


I honestly think that is going to depend on how long Trump will be continuing with his charade and hinder a transfer of power.
Biden can then just claim he "forgot" the pardon, "suffering from dementia and such".
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Postby Kungsu » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:01 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:While reading today about Ted Nugent, one of the most vile and disgusting excuses for a human being to ever curse the United States by living here, it dawned on me that all these Republicans who say "Trump made our party hateful and racist" are bullshitting. The GOP always had racism in it, but it bubbled under the surface and they tried to pretend that it wasn't them.

Another name that comes to mind is Ann Coulter, the pseudointellectual who thought we should basically glass the entire Middle East because some American backed jihadists turned on us and attacked us in 2001. No thought given to the complexity of the region or the United States' active role in promoting wahhabi terrorists while undermining secular governments. Just "nuke em." And millions of conservatives said "yeah she's a really smart woman with great ideas."

After Mitt Romney lost in 2012, I remember saying "if the Republicans keep assuming that farther right is better, they'll have a nazi for their candidate pretty soon," and they almost did. They had a white nationalist supported race baiter and now they wanna take it back and pretend this isn't their party. It has been their party since Nixon's southern strategy. It was their party when Ronald Reagan was going off about "Welfare Queens." And it was their party when Ted Nugent said he wished Muslims would donate more money to the army so "we can build more smart bombs to kill more muslims." And now these splinter GOP members wanna hide behind Biden like they're trying to distance themselves from the hate that is Donald Trump.

They were part of a party staffed with bigots for years but now it's too out in the open for their taste. I can't believe them.

I mean, it's really been a part of the party since Lily-White Movement near the end of the 19th century. How could they end a 120+ year long tradition?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:04 am

Nakena wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I think we've suffered plenty enough as it is. He can rot in a federal prison.


Theres still 70 million voters who wanted him to stay four more years in the White House. That will go somewhere. Altough I am not sure if he will be still able to run in 2024. I am fairly certain he may have to flee the country sooner than later.


Hmmmm?

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:47 am

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Kexholm Karelia wrote:Twitter should then be a publisher, not a platform

If I understand the law (and that's a big if), then Twitter being a publisher would make them legally culpable for the content that is "published" on their site. As a platform, they can disavow themselves of any law breaking content and "takes steps" to remove it.

LegalEagle has an entire video on publisher vs platform, the concept is faulty to its core. A website can be both a platform, a publisher, and an author at the same time.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:38 am

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/civil- ... nt-a-nazi/

Turns out the Proud Boys are a Nazi group. Who would have thought?

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Postby Nakena » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:41 am

Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/civil-war-brewing-inside-proud-boys-as-top-leader-says-hes-done-pretending-isnt-a-nazi/

Turns out the Proud Boys are a Nazi group. Who would have thought?


We had that already discussed several pages ago.

Basically civic vs ethno divide hit them too. Chapman was formerly a civic now he's an ethno.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:44 am

Nakena wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/civil-war-brewing-inside-proud-boys-as-top-leader-says-hes-done-pretending-isnt-a-nazi/

Turns out the Proud Boys are a Nazi group. Who would have thought?


We had that already discussed several pages ago.

Basically civic vs ethno divide hit them too. Chapman was formerly a civic now he's an ethno.

I wish people were this concerned about knowing different leftist groups and how they disagree...
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:20 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Uh... is Bolsonaro threatening war on a nation with first and second strike capabilities and the first two biggest air forces on the planet because it elected the "wrong" head of state?

“Fuck around and find out, Bolsonaro” - Biden after January 20th, presumably.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:37 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Nakena wrote:
We had that already discussed several pages ago.

Basically civic vs ethno divide hit them too. Chapman was formerly a civic now he's an ethno.

I wish people were this concerned about knowing different leftist groups and how they disagree...

History has shown that, no matter how many well intentioned leftists and moderate right wingers there are, the fringe extremists always come out on top.

See: Russian Revolution, Cuban Revolution, Chinese Civil War, Chavismo, Vietnam, and Evo Morales
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:52 pm

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I wish people were this concerned about knowing different leftist groups and how they disagree...

History has shown that, no matter how many well intentioned leftists and moderate right wingers there are, the fringe extremists always come out on top.

See: Russian Revolution, Cuban Revolution, Chinese Civil War, Chavismo, Vietnam, and Evo Morales


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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:53 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I wish people were this concerned about knowing different leftist groups and how they disagree...

History has shown that, no matter how many well intentioned leftists and moderate right wingers there are, the fringe extremists always come out on top.

See: Russian Revolution, Cuban Revolution, Chinese Civil War, Chavismo, Vietnam, and Evo Morales

This is not true. But in places where more pacifist leftists came to power, the Soviet Union wouldn't protect them and the US was happy to invade. If you call expropriation of private property violence, then yeah, leftism is violent by definition. But just because you only know like five examples of leftism, doesn't mean that all leftism is extremist and that all leftism automatically leads to extremism.

Also, I don't think you're qualified to make blanket statements like "history has shown that all leftism leads to fringe extremism", especially when you have shown a basic lack of understanding about what lefistm actually is.

Nice try putting Evo Morales in there, too. How is he a fringe extremist? He is incredibly popular.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:04 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I wish people were this concerned about knowing different leftist groups and how they disagree...

History has shown that, no matter how many well intentioned leftists and moderate right wingers there are, the fringe extremists always come out on top.

See: Russian Revolution, Cuban Revolution, Chinese Civil War, Chavismo, Vietnam, and Evo Morales


Considering you define people firmly in the center right as "leftists" your claim seems rather silly - by your own definition you ignore 90% of all "leftists", including all of Europe.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:15 pm

Back to assuming everyone who wants free healthcare is a 'leftist' now, and therefore communists, and therefore Stalin I see.

Shit gets old. There's barely anything leftist about the Democrats anyway, no matter how much 'race realists' on Youtube might tell you.

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:16 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
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How would they go about invalidating elections, pressuring the states and governors that are loyal to Trump to do so?

... That would be an interesting tactic to sell to even Trump supporters. "Yeah this state that voted 99% Trump did their jobs right... Except for the 1% which were all invalid, so we need to have another election!"


I don't know. Legally, they don't have a leg to stand on. A properly functioning supreme court would throw out their cases at once. Or, rather, would not even grant a writ of certiorari. However, if the court is set on helping Trump, then that would be the kind of shenanigans they use. Legally, the case is void.


That would be quite the nail in the coffin... Amy Coney Barrett and Kavanaugh and all their ilk throwing Trump under the bus. They already got their Supreme Court chairs, they don't need him for shit anymore. Ruling in favor of Trump when all other judges in the land have shit on the lack of evidence would be a big stain on their legacies and careers, especially if they are indeed the "originalists" they claim to be.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:18 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
I don't know. Legally, they don't have a leg to stand on. A properly functioning supreme court would throw out their cases at once. Or, rather, would not even grant a writ of certiorari. However, if the court is set on helping Trump, then that would be the kind of shenanigans they use. Legally, the case is void.


That would be quite the nail in the coffin... Amy Coney Barrett and Kavanaugh and all their ilk throwing Trump under the bus. They already got their Supreme Court chairs, they don't need him for shit anymore. Ruling in favor of Trump when all other judges in the land have shit on the lack of evidence would be a big stain on their legacies and careers, especially if they are indeed the "originalists" they claim to be.


Would certainly hurt the respect SCOTUS commands from all sides of politics. Being just a bunch of political lackeys for a failed President.

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Postby Diarcesia » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:20 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
I don't know. Legally, they don't have a leg to stand on. A properly functioning supreme court would throw out their cases at once. Or, rather, would not even grant a writ of certiorari. However, if the court is set on helping Trump, then that would be the kind of shenanigans they use. Legally, the case is void.


That would be quite the nail in the coffin... Amy Coney Barrett and Kavanaugh and all their ilk throwing Trump under the bus. They already got their Supreme Court chairs, they don't need him for shit anymore. Ruling in favor of Trump when all other judges in the land have shit on the lack of evidence would be a big stain on their legacies and careers, especially if they are indeed the "originalists" they claim to be.

Why the heck is SCOTUS supposed to be partisan in the first place?

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:22 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
That would be quite the nail in the coffin... Amy Coney Barrett and Kavanaugh and all their ilk throwing Trump under the bus. They already got their Supreme Court chairs, they don't need him for shit anymore. Ruling in favor of Trump when all other judges in the land have shit on the lack of evidence would be a big stain on their legacies and careers, especially if they are indeed the "originalists" they claim to be.

Why the heck is SCOTUS supposed to be partisan in the first place?

It isn't. The lifetime appointments is supposed to make it so they are not beholden to any political party. The choice of them is of course political, but after confirmed they are supposed to be apolitical.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:24 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
That would be quite the nail in the coffin... Amy Coney Barrett and Kavanaugh and all their ilk throwing Trump under the bus. They already got their Supreme Court chairs, they don't need him for shit anymore. Ruling in favor of Trump when all other judges in the land have shit on the lack of evidence would be a big stain on their legacies and careers, especially if they are indeed the "originalists" they claim to be.

Why the heck is SCOTUS supposed to be partisan in the first place?


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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:48 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
I don't know. Legally, they don't have a leg to stand on. A properly functioning supreme court would throw out their cases at once. Or, rather, would not even grant a writ of certiorari. However, if the court is set on helping Trump, then that would be the kind of shenanigans they use. Legally, the case is void.


That would be quite the nail in the coffin... Amy Coney Barrett and Kavanaugh and all their ilk throwing Trump under the bus. They already got their Supreme Court chairs, they don't need him for shit anymore. Ruling in favor of Trump when all other judges in the land have shit on the lack of evidence would be a big stain on their legacies and careers, especially if they are indeed the "originalists" they claim to be.

Your can't appeal to a higher court when you case gets dismissed.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:51 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I think we've suffered plenty enough as it is. He can rot in a federal prison.

State prison, most likely. I fully expect Biden to pardon Trump.


If Biden pardons Trump there will not be a vault in the world large enough to contain my rage.
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Postby Diarcesia » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:55 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I think we've suffered plenty enough as it is. He can rot in a federal prison.

State prison, most likely. I fully expect Biden to pardon Trump.

Biden will only get himself played.

It'll be more funny if he's like "but I'm supposed to be Sleepy Joe, right? Would be a shame if I 'forget' that I need to pardon him."

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