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Debate Proxy 1
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Postby Debate Proxy 1 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Debate Proxy 1 wrote:Oh, really. Then why did it involve stopping the vote count at a time when people across the country have been reporting a one-sided destruction of Trump ballots?


What's your evidence? Oh right you have none.

Gaslighting...
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Kexholm Karelia
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:09 pm

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Kexholm Karelia wrote:To all Trump supporters: If you ever feel isolated by the leftist mob, remember there are 70 million people who have got your back :)

I'm pretty well-defended where I am, but count me in on your defense, good sir!

We have to stick together, especially those in places where the threat of violent rioters and anarchists attacking are high, such as in Portland where 3 Trump supporters were killed by antifa anarchists this summer
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Postby Kowani » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:09 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
That wasn't a case of fraud.

Oh, really. Then why did it involve stopping the vote count at a time when people across the country have been reporting a one-sided destruction of Trump ballots?

But the vote count wasn't stopped. You lost that part of the case.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:11 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What's your evidence? Oh right you have none.

Gaslighting...


I am a poll worker and every single claim you've made is utter nonsense. All vote counting is bi partisan. If a poll worker destroyed a ballot they would be prosecuted.

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Postby Diarcesia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:13 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What's your evidence? Oh right you have none.

Gaslighting...

It's not gaslighting if you don't have evidence. Pics/links or it didn't happen.
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Postby Esalia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:14 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What's your evidence? Oh right you have none.

Gaslighting...


Consistently crying "gaslighting!" whilst doing pretty much nothing to substantiate your arguments is not a particularly good strategy.
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Postby Debate Proxy 1 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:14 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Debate Proxy 1 wrote:I'm pretty well-defended where I am, but count me in on your defense, good sir!

We have to stick together, especially those in places where the threat of violent rioters and anarchists attacking are high, such as in Portland where 3 Trump supporters were killed by antifa anarchists this summer

So true.

If the Democrats are so willing to countenance violence against U.S. citizens for voting Trump, and so willing to censor any opinion that supports Trump on social media and remove conservative news sites from Google searches instead of fairly representing them, why shouldn't we defend ourselves from unwarranted aggression?

It's just not how real election winners behave and it's not how a free society works.
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Postby Debate Proxy 1 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:19 pm

Esalia wrote:
Debate Proxy 1 wrote:Gaslighting...


Consistently crying "gaslighting!" whilst doing pretty much nothing to substantiate your arguments is not a particularly good strategy.

The monopoly media and Democrats have literally been gaslighting us for all four years of Trump's presidency. Are all the peasants flying Trump flags supposed to believe that they have suddenly and magically stopped now?

Oh... and "signs don't vote", I should add? That is just gaslighting extraordinaire when crooks are just terrified of losing power.
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Postby Omniabstracta » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:19 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:We have to stick together, especially those in places where the threat of violent rioters and anarchists attacking are high, such as in Portland where 3 Trump supporters were killed by antifa anarchists this summer

So true.

If the Democrats are so willing to countenance violence against U.S. citizens for voting Trump, and so willing to censor any opinion that supports Trump on social media and remove conservative news sites from Google searches instead of fairly representing them, why shouldn't we defend ourselves from unwarranted aggression?

It's just not how real election winners behave and it's not how a free society works.


Yes yes, we’re sure you have thousands of accounts you’ve seen with your own two eyes and irrefutable evidence that google is silencing the right, which you conveniently won’t share because it falls apart at the slightest examination and the media can’t be trusted anyway.
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Postby Diarcesia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:20 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Consistently crying "gaslighting!" whilst doing pretty much nothing to substantiate your arguments is not a particularly good strategy.

The monopoly media and Democrats have literally been gaslighting us for all four years of Trump's presidency. Are all the peasants flying Trump flags supposed to believe that they have suddenly and magically stopped now?

Oh... and "signs don't vote", I should add? That is just gaslighting extraordinaire when crooks are just terrified of losing power.

> crooks
> terrified of losing power

I wonder who's in power right now...

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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:21 pm

Esalia wrote:
Debate Proxy 1 wrote:Gaslighting...


Consistently crying "gaslighting!" whilst doing pretty much nothing to substantiate your arguments is not a particularly good strategy.

Ironically, that in itself more qualifies as gaslighting than anything DP1 has tried to say is such.
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Esalia
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Postby Esalia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:26 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Consistently crying "gaslighting!" whilst doing pretty much nothing to substantiate your arguments is not a particularly good strategy.

The monopoly media and Democrats have literally been gaslighting us for all four years of Trump's presidency. Are all the peasants flying Trump flags supposed to believe that they have suddenly and magically stopped now?


Congrats, you've added whataboutism to your list of tactics to use to avoid defending your point.

Oh... and "signs don't vote", I should add? That is just gaslighting extraordinaire when crooks are just terrified of losing power.


It's now gaslighting to point out that using the presence of signs favouring a presidential candidate is not a particularly good way to judge an outcome of an election?

You do know what gaslighting means, right?

Oh, and it's rather ironic to respond to a post pointing out that crying wolf (or to be more appropriate, crying gaslighting) is a bad strategy with... more crying gaslighting.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:29 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Consistently crying "gaslighting!" whilst doing pretty much nothing to substantiate your arguments is not a particularly good strategy.

The monopoly media and Democrats have literally been gaslighting us for all four years of Trump's presidency. Are all the peasants flying Trump flags supposed to believe that they have suddenly and magically stopped now?

Oh... and "signs don't vote", I should add? That is just gaslighting extraordinaire when crooks are just terrified of losing power.


Republicans shouldn't have ever believed in this lying, cheating, tax evading, misogynist, race baiting, pagan real estate shyster with bankruptcies out his ying-yang, who was having reckless adulterous affairs with a porn star with illegal payoffs while married to his impregnated third wife, while owing mountainous debts to foreign nationals in the first place!
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Postby Debate Proxy 1 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:34 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Debate Proxy 1 wrote:The monopoly media and Democrats have literally been gaslighting us for all four years of Trump's presidency. Are all the peasants flying Trump flags supposed to believe that they have suddenly and magically stopped now?

Oh... and "signs don't vote", I should add? That is just gaslighting extraordinaire when crooks are just terrified of losing power.


Republicans shouldn't have ever believed in this lying, cheating, tax evading, misogynist, race baiting, pagan real estate shyster with bankruptcies out the ying-yang, who was having reckless adulterous affairs with a porn star with illegal payoffs while married to his pregnant third wife while owing mounting debts to foreign nationals in the first place

See what I mean? Trump's a victim of monopoly centralization too.

That's why he stands with the common people of America and has blown the lid on so much high-level corruption in the imperial media oligopoly.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:38 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Republicans shouldn't have ever believed in this lying, cheating, tax evading, misogynist, race baiting, pagan real estate shyster with bankruptcies out his ying-yang, who was having reckless adulterous affairs with a porn star with illegal payoffs while married to his impregnated third wife, while owing mountainous debts to foreign nationals in the first place!

See what I mean? Trump's a victim of monopoly centralization too.

That's why he stands with the common people of America and has blown the lid on so much high-level corruption in the imperial media oligopoly.


He's only a victim of Comedy Central-ization. But, what politician isn't?

He needs to stand before his judgment - rendered by the voters, which is... YOU'RE FIRED! .
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:38 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Republicans shouldn't have ever believed in this lying, cheating, tax evading, misogynist, race baiting, pagan real estate shyster with bankruptcies out the ying-yang, who was having reckless adulterous affairs with a porn star with illegal payoffs while married to his pregnant third wife while owing mounting debts to foreign nationals in the first place

See what I mean? Trump's a victim of monopoly centralization too.

That's why he stands with the common people of America and has blown the lid on so much high-level corruption in the imperial media oligopoly.


I mean...most of this has either been confirmed or he i under investigation for. The only one that is questionable is the pagan thing.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:43 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Debate Proxy 1 wrote:See what I mean? Trump's a victim of monopoly centralization too.

That's why he stands with the common people of America and has blown the lid on so much high-level corruption in the imperial media oligopoly.


I mean...most of this has either been confirmed or he i under investigation for. The only one that is questionable is the pagan thing.


Yeah, I've never seen him riding with the motorcycle gang. Scratch that one. :lol:
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Postby Jedi Council » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:44 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Consistently crying "gaslighting!" whilst doing pretty much nothing to substantiate your arguments is not a particularly good strategy.

The monopoly media and Democrats have literally been gaslighting us for all four years of Trump's presidency. Are all the peasants flying Trump flags supposed to believe that they have suddenly and magically stopped now?

Oh... and "signs don't vote", I should add? That is just gaslighting extraordinaire when crooks are just terrified of losing power.

Signs dont vote. I have never seen a sign vote.

Honestly, I've worked in three elections now, in each one the amount of signs was hardly correlated to who actually won.

It's why most campaigns focus on actual voter out reach and not just plastering their candidates name everywhere.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:46 pm

Still going with this argument with DP1 I see.

It's too bad we have to listen to this drivel for the next two months.

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Postby Jedi Council » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:47 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What's your evidence? Oh right you have none.

Gaslighting...

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Postby SKully WUlly » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:48 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
I would LOVE to hear the pro-life Trumpers tackle that one.


Maybe like... The Donald lost a bet with Jeffrey on the Super Bowl 25 years ago. An expensive bet he couldn't cover but evil Jeff insisted... yadda yadda yadda ...but Trump is such an honest man and so... and then he told his... yadda yadda yadda ...but it was her idea to make payment to Jeff so... yadda yadda yadda ...and the whole thing was her fault, not the President's. One must remember she was a Democrat then.

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thats pretty on brand for him though, it probably wouldnt.


I tried my best, used the most potent damaging tale i could devise. Meme proofed well. But alas it's tame compared to some of the Qanon shit floating in the wingnut toilets out there.


I would love to hear the Trumpets say he's prolife after that. Although Its hard to believe anyone or any media.

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Postby Debate Proxy 1 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:48 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Debate Proxy 1 wrote:The monopoly media and Democrats have literally been gaslighting us for all four years of Trump's presidency. Are all the peasants flying Trump flags supposed to believe that they have suddenly and magically stopped now?

Oh... and "signs don't vote", I should add? That is just gaslighting extraordinaire when crooks are just terrified of losing power.

Signs dont vote. I have never seen a sign vote.

Honestly, I've worked in three elections now, in each one the amount of signs was hardly correlated to who actually won.

It's why most campaigns focus on actual voter out reach and not just plastering their candidates name everywhere.

In itself, a tacit admission of voter fraud, which I hear is pretty ripe in Canada.

Remember why Quebec's not a free country?
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Postby Kowani » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:50 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Signs dont vote. I have never seen a sign vote.

Honestly, I've worked in three elections now, in each one the amount of signs was hardly correlated to who actually won.

It's why most campaigns focus on actual voter out reach and not just plastering their candidates name everywhere.

In itself, a tacit admission of voter fraud, which I hear is pretty ripe in Canada.

Remember why Quebec's not a free country?

...Do you actually think the amount of signs correlates to who the winner is
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:51 pm

Kowani wrote:
Debate Proxy 1 wrote:In itself, a tacit admission of voter fraud, which I hear is pretty ripe in Canada.

Remember why Quebec's not a free country?

...Do you actually think the amount of signs correlates to who the winner is


Signs that they have personally seen are apparently the only evidence that counts.

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Postby Debate Proxy 1 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:52 pm

Kowani wrote:
Debate Proxy 1 wrote:In itself, a tacit admission of voter fraud, which I hear is pretty ripe in Canada.

Remember why Quebec's not a free country?

...Do you actually think the amount of signs correlates to who the winner is

It simply does. There's no denying a ground-swell of public opinion when you see one.

Unless, of course... there's been vote-rigging all over the place. A number of cities are very notorious for this lack of correlation, such as Chicago and Detroit, and practically everywhere in California.
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