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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:52 am

CoraSpia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yes it would. No cabinet picks means executive offices cant do anything. No budget means government shutdown. Federal workers don’t get paid and are laid off. Parks close, social security checks don’t go out, food stamps don’t get sent, soldiers don’t get paid among many other things.

so all of government activity shudders to a grinding stop.

Yes which would be a bad thing for everyone

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Postby CoraSpia » Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:53 am

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CoraSpia wrote:so all of government activity shudders to a grinding stop.

Yes which would be a bad thing for everyone

Not if a better society rises from the ashes.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:54 am

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Trump supporters deserve to be mocked, frankly.

You tied yourselves down to a deranged, racist imbecile that left 230,000+ Americans to die of a virus he completely ignored as he also mocked dead soldiers, bragged about sexually assaulting young girls, and even called you guys idiots to your faces (which caused you to cheer) while he stuffed his bank account full of your taxes and still somehow went broke. The past 4 years have just proven what most Americana already knew: Trump is a liar, a pervert, a bigot, a moron, and a psychopath.

And you stuck by him. Because he was "your guy" from "your party" or whatever other nonsense you use to justify it. You dismissed every gaffe and crime he committed as "fake news" or "taken out of context". So, yeah, sorry, you deserve to be mocked. Until the day you wake up and realize you were wrong, and then admit it, you deserve to be mocked.

I don't get what the people calling for "unity" expect. You've consistently displayed that you don't give a fuck about the facts, the law, or even human life - yet they somehow expect that by being respectful toward you they can sway you to reason. What a bunch of bullshit. Once you're in the Cult 45 the only way out is through your own efforts.

Until then, you will be mocked. You will be mocked until you realize why you're being mocked and why you deserve to be mocked. So spare me the "boohoo stop picking on me because I support Trump you guys" crap. You asked for this when you signed up with that lunatic and stood beside him through every act of evil and stupidity he committed to this day. Until you renounce him, you're going to be mocked. Deal with it.


^literally this. I know the compromise candidate Joe Biden is claiming he'll unite America, but there cannot be unity until the trumpsters change their ways. I'm not unifying with people who called my girlfriend before my last one a terrorist, called my last girlfriend a green card chaser, told me I should be deported, called me a commie, referred to my friend Caleb as "a disgusting nigger," or complained about all the "'rabs" in our town. Like sorry, I don't need to just accept a clan of bigots and their enablers back into an america with an open embrace. They chose to join team Trump now they can join him in the political shadow realm.

How many Trump supporters do you actually think are racist? Lol what a strawman
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:55 am

Lol if you think every, or even anywhere close to the majority of Trump supporters are racist, you’ve fallen to the propaganda of the leftist media, and you probably don’t actually know any Trump supporters in real life

How many Trump supporters do you think are actually racist? Lmao what a strawman
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Postby Romextly » Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:58 am

Many Trump supporters are actually against racism. Most only join because they are conservative in some matters

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:59 am

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Lol if you think every, or even anywhere close to the majority of Trump supporters are racist, you’ve fallen to the propaganda of the leftist media, and you probably don’t actually know any Trump supporters in real life

How many Trump supporters do you think are actually racist? Lmao what a strawman


Obviously it is not a dealbreaker for them... so all ?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:01 am

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Lol if you think every, or even anywhere close to the majority of Trump supporters are racist, you’ve fallen to the propaganda of the leftist media, and you probably don’t actually know any Trump supporters in real life

How many Trump supporters do you think are actually racist? Lmao what a strawman


Well a good half of the ones in my area are, but jusr for the sake of argument:

Surveys showed that significant proportions of Trump supporters hold negative views of immigrants, Muslims, and African-Americans. The Pew Research Center found that 69 percent of Trump supporters viewed immigrants as a burden, rather than a benefit, to the US, and 64 percent believed that American Muslims should be subject to greater scrutiny solely on the basis of their religion. Reuters found that Trump supporters were more than twice as likely as Clinton supporters to view Islam negatively. Trump supporters were also more likely than supporters of other candidates to hold negative views of African-Americans. Reuters reported that 40–50 percent of Trump supporters viewed African-Americans as being more "lazy", "rude", "violent", or "criminal" than whites, compared to 25–30 percent for Clinton supporters; while 32 percent of Trump supporters believed that African-Americans were less intelligent than whites, compared to 22 percent of Clinton supporters.


https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... n-the-u-s/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZV20C

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZE2SW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tr ... l_campaign

But let me guess, all those people who voted for the guy that claimed thousands of arab americans cheered on 9/11 aren't racist. No one is gonna be able to keep a straight face if you urironically argue that people didnt vote for a candidate whose campaign was based on racism because they themselves are racists.
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Postby Romextly » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:02 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Lol if you think every, or even anywhere close to the majority of Trump supporters are racist, you’ve fallen to the propaganda of the leftist media, and you probably don’t actually know any Trump supporters in real life

How many Trump supporters do you think are actually racist? Lmao what a strawman


Well a good half of the ones in my area are, but jusr for the sake of argument:

Surveys showed that significant proportions of Trump supporters hold negative views of immigrants, Muslims, and African-Americans. The Pew Research Center found that 69 percent of Trump supporters viewed immigrants as a burden, rather than a benefit, to the US, and 64 percent believed that American Muslims should be subject to greater scrutiny solely on the basis of their religion. Reuters found that Trump supporters were more than twice as likely as Clinton supporters to view Islam negatively. Trump supporters were also more likely than supporters of other candidates to hold negative views of African-Americans. Reuters reported that 40–50 percent of Trump supporters viewed African-Americans as being more "lazy", "rude", "violent", or "criminal" than whites, compared to 25–30 percent for Clinton supporters; while 32 percent of Trump supporters believed that African-Americans were less intelligent than whites, compared to 22 percent of Clinton supporters.


https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... n-the-u-s/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZV20C

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZE2SW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tr ... l_campaign

But let me guess, all those people who voted for the guy that claimed thousands of arab americans cheered on 9/11 aren't racist. No one is gonna be able to keep a straight face if you urironically argue that people didnt vote for a candidate whose campaign was based on racism because they themselves are racists.

Have you noted that those are from the last election?

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:02 am

Romextly wrote:Many Trump supporters are actually against racism. Most only join because they are conservative in some matters


So they were willing to tolerate racism? Thats supposed to be better?
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Postby Romextly » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:03 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Romextly wrote:Many Trump supporters are actually against racism. Most only join because they are conservative in some matters


So they were willing to tolerate racism? Thats supposed to be better?

give me a direct quote that is explicitly racist

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:03 am

Romextly wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Well a good half of the ones in my area are, but jusr for the sake of argument:



https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... n-the-u-s/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZV20C

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZE2SW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tr ... l_campaign

But let me guess, all those people who voted for the guy that claimed thousands of arab americans cheered on 9/11 aren't racist. No one is gonna be able to keep a straight face if you urironically argue that people didnt vote for a candidate whose campaign was based on racism because they themselves are racists.

Have you noted that those are from the last election?


Trump's main support base did not radically change. And until you got stats that say otherwise, these are the ones we're going with.

At least half to 60% of Trump supporters hold bigoted views. And the rest are willing to associate with those with bigoted views.
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Postby Romextly » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:04 am

It's interesteing that you call Trump rascist, yet ya'll are voting for a man who in the past had been trying to stop the integration of the schools

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:04 am

Romextly wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
So they were willing to tolerate racism? Thats supposed to be better?

give me a direct quote that is explicitly racist


"It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don't like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good."

Trump defending his claim that thousands cheered in New Jersey on 9/11. Would you like me to quote what he said about the squad or is that enough racism for you for today?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:05 am

Romextly wrote:It's interesteing that you call Trump rascist, yet ya'll are voting for a man who in the past had been trying to stop the integration of the schools


I voted for him to stop herd immunity from becoming a government policy.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:09 am

CoraSpia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yes which would be a bad thing for everyone

Not if a better society rises from the ashes.

What would this better society look like?

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Postby CoraSpia » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:10 am

San Lumen wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Not if a better society rises from the ashes.

What would this better society look like?

Largely free of governmental influence.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:14 am

Romextly wrote:Many Trump supporters are actually against racism. Most only join because they are conservative in some matters


Against Racism but Trump's open racism wasn't a dealbreaker for them.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:14 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Lol if you think every, or even anywhere close to the majority of Trump supporters are racist, you’ve fallen to the propaganda of the leftist media, and you probably don’t actually know any Trump supporters in real life

How many Trump supporters do you think are actually racist? Lmao what a strawman


Obviously it is not a dealbreaker for them... so all ?
Truetrue, some will reason from the "abortion is genocide, so voting for the shitbag that will stop that is voting for the lesser evil" position; but hey.

I mean, we voted for sexist Biden to stop racist incompetent Trump so...
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Postby CoraSpia » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:17 am

Vassenor wrote:
Romextly wrote:Many Trump supporters are actually against racism. Most only join because they are conservative in some matters


Against Racism but Trump's open racism wasn't a dealbreaker for them.

:thonking:

I'd support a candidate who I found personally distasteful if he would bring forward the policies I supported.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:20 am

CoraSpia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What would this better society look like?

Largely free of governmental influence.

What do you want government to do? Sounds like you want no laws at all.

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Postby Page » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:23 am

San Lumen wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Largely free of governmental influence.

What do you want government to do? Sounds like you want no laws at all.


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Postby CoraSpia » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:28 am

San Lumen wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Largely free of governmental influence.

What do you want government to do? Sounds like you want no laws at all.

I've not been exactly subtle about that.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:01 am

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San Lumen wrote:What do you want government to do? Sounds like you want no laws at all.

I've not been exactly subtle about that.

Up until recently Somalia would have been perfect for you.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:03 am

San Lumen wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:I've not been exactly subtle about that.

Up until recently Somalia would have been perfect for you.

Yeah, he doesn’t care about that
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:03 am

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Lol if you think every, or even anywhere close to the majority of Trump supporters are racist, you’ve fallen to the propaganda of the leftist media, and you probably don’t actually know any Trump supporters in real life

How many Trump supporters do you think are actually racist? Lmao what a strawman

I think that most people believe themselves to be good, and that they generally try to do the "right" thing.

Some people are genuine assholes, don't get me wrong, but my baseline assumption is that most people are decent.

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