Anti-Socialism Thread

[Cordel One]

They call themselves MLs but they don't follow Marxist or Leninist theory. I don't know how to describe those people, but they're not MLs or communists.

They're called Dengists, and they're not people.

Come to think of it they do seem like Dengists. Deng was the worst.

[Aureumterra III]

I mean, they're not completely wrong. It's either auth-center or third position.

Not really, their support of hierarchies and supremacy makes them very authright. The political compass is inaccurate, but there isn't any ascended "third position".

The concept of left and right is stupid and outdated

Seriously an ancap and a fascist have next to nothing in common and are both considered far right

Anarchists and stalinists, both considered far left, have more in common with their right wing counterparts than their auth "friends"

[Untecna]

[font=Comic Sans]I am not surprised a thread such as this came along.[/font]

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I mean, they're not completely wrong. It's either auth-center or third position.

Not really, their support of hierarchies and supremacy makes them very authright. The political compass is inaccurate, but there isn't any ascended "third position".

Their nationalization of the economy and animal rights policies make them very far left. Plus, everyone argues about where they are, so we might as well settle on a compromise of third position, because if there isn't third position, where's technocracy and Agrarianism?

[Cordel One]

Not really, their support of hierarchies and supremacy makes them very authright. The political compass is inaccurate, but there isn't any ascended "third position".

The concept of left and right is stupid and outdated

Seriously an ancap and a fascist have next to nothing in common and are both considered far right

Anarchists and stalinists, both considered far left, have more in common with their right wing counterparts than their auth "friends"

Ancaps aren't legitimate anarchists as they still believe in hierarchy that will lead to corporatocracy, but I do agree with you otherwise.

You need more than 2 dimensions, probably more than 3, to map out ideologies correctly. 9axes is a little better imo, but it's still lacking.

[Cordel One]

Not really, their support of hierarchies and supremacy makes them very authright. The political compass is inaccurate, but there isn't any ascended "third position".

Their nationalization of the economy and animal rights policies make them very far left. Plus, everyone argues about where they are, so we might as well settle on a compromise of third position, because if there isn't third position, where's technocracy and Agrarianism?

Not being capitalist doesn't put them on the left, Monarchists are authright too. Technocracy is on the authright and agrarianism is libleft. The political compass is extremely flawed and inaccurate but these ideologies aren't ascended. The right-left scale isn't 2-D.

[Kiu Ghesik]

The concept of left and right is stupid and outdated

Seriously an ancap and a fascist have next to nothing in common and are both considered far right

Anarchists and stalinists, both considered far left, have more in common with their right wing counterparts than their auth "friends"

Ancaps aren't legitimate anarchists as they still believe in hierarchy that will lead to corporatocracy, but I do agree with you otherwise.

You need more than 2 dimensions, probably more than 3, to map out ideologies correctly. 9axes is a little better imo, but it's still lacking.

Ancap, also known as "feudalism with extra steps".

[Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza]

They're called Dengists, and they're not people.

Come to think of it they do seem like Dengists. Deng was the worst.

The reddit crowd would probably be proud of the fact everyone hates them for being Dengoids. They're actually laughable.

[Orostan]

Not really, their support of hierarchies and supremacy makes them very authright. The political compass is inaccurate, but there isn't any ascended "third position".

The concept of left and right is stupid and outdated

Seriously an ancap and a fascist have next to nothing in common and are both considered far right

Anarchists and stalinists, both considered far left, have more in common with their right wing counterparts than their auth "friends"

Ancaps and fascists are the same, they both support upholding capitalism and oppose progressive philosophy and even the enlightenment. They're violently elitist, too. An ancap is a fascist who hasn't yet realized they hate freedom.

[Aureumterra III]

The concept of left and right is stupid and outdated

Seriously an ancap and a fascist have next to nothing in common and are both considered far right

Anarchists and stalinists, both considered far left, have more in common with their right wing counterparts than their auth "friends"

Ancaps aren't legitimate anarchists as they still believe in hierarchy that will lead to corporatocracy, but I do agree with you otherwise.

You need more than 2 dimensions, probably more than 3, to map out ideologies correctly. 9axes is a little better imo, but it's still lacking.

We agree on something?!

JK

[Sanghyeok]

Ancaps aren't legitimate anarchists as they still believe in hierarchy that will lead to corporatocracy, but I do agree with you otherwise.

You need more than 2 dimensions, probably more than 3, to map out ideologies correctly. 9axes is a little better imo, but it's still lacking.

We agree on something?!

JK

But you still have "right-wing capitalist" in your signature.

[Aureumterra III]

We agree on something?!

JK

But you still have "right-wing capitalist" in your signature.

Yes, that’s why I’m on the "Anti-Socialism Thread"

[Sanghyeok]

Come to think of it they do seem like Dengists. Deng was the worst.

He inherited a base of industry and educated populace built up by Mao, and then claimed everything was a result of his reforms.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Come to think of it they do seem like Dengists. Deng was the worst.

He inherited a base of industry and educated populace built up by Mao, and then claimed everything was a result of his reforms.

First a Stalinist came here, now there's a Maoist.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Their nationalization of the economy and animal rights policies make them very far left. Plus, everyone argues about where they are, so we might as well settle on a compromise of third position, because if there isn't third position, where's technocracy and Agrarianism?

Not being capitalist doesn't put them on the left, Monarchists are authright too. Technocracy is on the authright and agrarianism is libleft. The political compass is extremely flawed and inaccurate but these ideologies aren't ascended. The right-left scale isn't 2-D.

Then parry this, you filthy casual: NazBol.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Ever heard of a Georgian man named Joseph Stalin?

I've made it clear what I think about Stalin.

Yes, you think highly of a man who led the USSR through 3 decades of terror and fear.

[Orostan]

I've made it clear what I think about Stalin.

terror and fear.

uh based department?

Read the thread, I've proven why I don't believe any of your claims about stalin are true.

[Turelisa-]

The USSR made the greatest leap in standard of living in history and was democratic until the fifties, and remained with democratic elements until the moment it fell. The USSR did copy stuff it's enemies did right, but that is what you do when you're behind the other guy. Both sides of the cold war were very interested in the other's technology, and you forget the USSR was the first to put a man in space, send a probe to mars, and make almost every major space race milestone. They didn't steal Sputnik from the west.

I think you ought to read this and disabuse yourself of your biased misnotions.

[Rusozak]

terror and fear.

uh based department?

Read the thread, I've proven why I don't believe any of your claims about stalin are true.

Yeah and Nazis don't believe in the Holocaust. Why should any murderous dictator fanatic's opinions of said murdering dictator be taken seriously?

[Vassenor]

The USSR made the greatest leap in standard of living in history and was democratic until the fifties, and remained with democratic elements until the moment it fell. The USSR did copy stuff it's enemies did right, but that is what you do when you're behind the other guy. Both sides of the cold war were very interested in the other's technology, and you forget the USSR was the first to put a man in space, send a probe to mars, and make almost every major space race milestone. They didn't steal Sputnik from the west.

I think you ought to read this and disabuse yourself of your biased misnotions.

So what makes that site unbiased?

[Sanghyeok]

He inherited a base of industry and educated populace built up by Mao, and then claimed everything was a result of his reforms.

First a Stalinist came here, now there's a Maoist.

My comment was more to correct history about Deng than anything else.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

First a Stalinist came here, now there's a Maoist.

My comment was more to correct history about Deng than anything else.

Forgive me. I just thought because of your previous comments on other threads and the Stalinist here that you were a Maoist.

[Sanghyeok]

My comment was more to correct history about Deng than anything else.

Forgive me. I just thought because of your previous comments on other threads and the Stalinist here that you were a Maoist.

There is a lot of overlap, but one can claim Deng was revisionist without being Maoist.

[Nilokeras]

Hot take on the extended USSR discussion: the only thing worse than recapitulating the debate about the 2016 US election is recapitulating 1970's academic debates about an ideology and state that are both now very thoroughly dead and irrelevant to actually existing socialist movements today.

[Sanghyeok]

Ancaps aren't legitimate anarchists as they still believe in hierarchy that will lead to corporatocracy, but I do agree with you otherwise.

You need more than 2 dimensions, probably more than 3, to map out ideologies correctly. 9axes is a little better imo, but it's still lacking.

I will agree, I think there needs to be civil-political-economic freedoms, almost like in nationstates.