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Who is your favourite anti-socialist author?

Poll ended at Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:23 am

Milton Friedman
9
15%
Ludwig von Mises
3
5%
Thomas Sowell
6
10%
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
10
16%
Ayn Rand
9
15%
Friedrich Hayek
0
No votes
Irving Kristol
1
2%
Karl Popper
6
10%
Boris Pasternak
6
10%
Other
12
19%
 
Total votes : 62

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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:30 pm

This thread has been seized. #Occupy
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This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

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Exalted Inquellian State
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:34 pm

Crysuko wrote:This thread has been seized. #Occupy

Darn it!
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:13 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Geez, the monarchist leaves the thread for a few hours and all you republicans have made a real mess of things.

Do I need to ask the Queen to wag her finger at you and tell you all to behave?

As long as it’s the European style of republican then it’s k.


American, European...It's all the same in my eyes, my guy :^)
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:14 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Are you a Maoist? Or a generic communist?

Syndicalist.

Of the anarchist variety, I presume?
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:15 pm

Crysuko wrote:This thread has been seized. #Occupy


Njet Molotoff.
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The Reformed American Republic
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Democratic Socialists

Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:15 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Geez, the monarchist leaves the thread for a few hours and all you republicans have made a real mess of things.

Do I need to ask the Queen to wag her finger at you and tell you all to behave?


Image

That's pretty funny actually.

Who's the green guy though?
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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:17 pm

On the topic of anti socialism, the concept that class is more of a unifying factor than culture and country is completely ignorant of all of human history. Humans are naturally tribalistic, we can observe that with our primate cousins in the wild as well
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Postby Nakena » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:19 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:On the topic of anti socialism, the concept that class is more of a unifying factor than culture and country is completely ignorant of all of human history. Humans are naturally tribalistic, we can observe that with our primate cousins in the wild as well


Thats mostly because many socialists are operating on an marxist worldview.
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:20 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Geez, the monarchist leaves the thread for a few hours and all you republicans have made a real mess of things.

Do I need to ask the Queen to wag her finger at you and tell you all to behave?


Image


Mood
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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The Reformed American Republic
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:23 pm

Nakena wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:On the topic of anti socialism, the concept that class is more of a unifying factor than culture and country is completely ignorant of all of human history. Humans are naturally tribalistic, we can observe that with our primate cousins in the wild as well


Thats mostly because many socialists are operating on an marxist worldview.

And they go after anyone who deviates, even those who don't have a love affair with capitalism.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:24 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:
Image

That's pretty funny actually.

Who's the green guy though?

A posadist, likely Cultural Posadism, who has been strangely absent this thread.
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The Reformed American Republic
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:25 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:That's pretty funny actually.

Who's the green guy though?

A posadist, likely Cultural Posadism, who has been strangely absent this thread.

Cool. As for me, I might be a female caricature in that image, but I knocked down Mao.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:25 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Are you a Maoist? Or a generic communist?

I'm a Cultural Maoist, but my party membership is Antifa.


I thought Antifa was by design a completely decentralized movement?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:27 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:I'm a Cultural Maoist, but my party membership is Antifa.


I thought Antifa was by design a completely decentralized movement?

Obvious humor aside, yes, it is. I would say that's a vice but some think it's a virtue.
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Postby Nilokeras » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:36 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:
Image

That's pretty funny actually.

Who's the green guy though?


Kubra - needed a slightly more interesting picture than a black flag, so went with the signature for inspiration.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:39 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:That's pretty funny actually.

Who's the green guy though?


Kubra - needed a slightly more interesting picture than a black flag, so went with the signature for inspiration.

Yea, I noticed that. You only used the flag for one person.
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Postby Nilokeras » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:40 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:On the topic of anti socialism, the concept that class is more of a unifying factor than culture and country is completely ignorant of all of human history. Humans are naturally tribalistic, we can observe that with our primate cousins in the wild as well


Ah yes, our primate cousins the bonobos, where conflicts with outsiders are solved by having sex with them then cuddling.

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Postby Senkaku » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:40 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Geez, the monarchist leaves the thread for a few hours and all you republicans have made a real mess of things.

Do I need to ask the Queen to wag her finger at you and tell you all to behave?


Image

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Postby Nilokeras » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:42 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:
Kubra - needed a slightly more interesting picture than a black flag, so went with the signature for inspiration.

Yea, I noticed that. You only used the flag for one person.


You all have such annoying flags to photoshop onto a person's head so I decided to improvise. You got Prussian cavalryman because I didn't have the patience to search a million freikorps images for a guy looking the right direction.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:43 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Yea, I noticed that. You only used the flag for one person.


You all have such annoying flags to photoshop onto a person's head so I decided to improvise. You got Prussian cavalryman because I didn't have the patience to search a million freikorps images for a guy looking the right direction.

Well, I have no complaints there. That should be on someone's wall.
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:09 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I thought Antifa was by design a completely decentralized movement?

Obvious humor aside, yes, it is. I would say that's a vice but some think it's a virtue.


Well, it's pretty practical when you want to avoid responsibility for when one of your guys does something unjustifiable or stupid.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:10 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:On the topic of anti socialism, the concept that class is more of a unifying factor than culture and country is completely ignorant of all of human history. Humans are naturally tribalistic, we can observe that with our primate cousins in the wild as well


Ah yes, our primate cousins the bonobos, where conflicts with outsiders are solved by having sex with them then cuddling.


Bonobos are pure degenerates though.

Almost as bad as dolphins.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:11 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Yea, I noticed that. You only used the flag for one person.


You all have such annoying flags to photoshop onto a person's head so I decided to improvise. You got Prussian cavalryman because I didn't have the patience to search a million freikorps images for a guy looking the right direction.


I do enjoy the fact that I got Charles I.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Kowani » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:14 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:On the topic of anti socialism, the concept that class is more of a unifying factor than culture and country is completely ignorant of all of human history. Humans are naturally tribalistic, we can observe that with our primate cousins in the wild as well


Ah yes, our primate cousins the bonobos, where conflicts with outsiders are solved by having sex with them then cuddling.

we should adopt bonobo diplomacy
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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:25 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Thats mostly because many socialists are operating on an marxist worldview.

And they go after anyone who deviates, even those who don't have a love affair with capitalism.

The Marxist worldview is inherently flawed in that sense, because it encourages the destruction of cultural and national identity in favor of an artificial class identity. This cultural destruction has often been violent, throughout history, which should come as no surprise since Marxist theory specifically encourages such actions due to the belief class is more unifying than culture and nation
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