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Who is your favourite anti-socialist author?

Poll ended at Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:23 am

Milton Friedman
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15%
Ludwig von Mises
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5%
Thomas Sowell
6
10%
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
10
16%
Ayn Rand
9
15%
Friedrich Hayek
0
No votes
Irving Kristol
1
2%
Karl Popper
6
10%
Boris Pasternak
6
10%
Other
12
19%
 
Total votes : 62

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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:07 pm

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Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:but that would be gay, and gay doesn't help populate an ethnostate yes right-wing women exist but it's mostly guys

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Postby Picairn » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:07 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Lusai wrote:when will the anti socialists back the xenotranshumanist nRx catboy militias


You know, I miss when "rightists" were just the throne and altar gang.

They got wiped by WW1. A ruinously expensive world war that destroyed monarchial empires.
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Postby No State Here » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:08 pm

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Kexholm Karelia wrote:WTF happened to this thread

These people have fully embraced the left wing of the bird of politics. This is what we call "uneven grilling"

Dear leftists

If the right is so bad, why is it called human RIGHTS and not human LEFTS?

Checkmate lefties
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Postby No State Here » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:08 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Lusai wrote:when will the anti socialists back the xenotranshumanist nRx catboy militias


You know, I miss when "rightists" were just the throne and altar gang.

Why would you miss unaccountable leaders who held an elite status over the people they govern?
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:08 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Nejii wrote:
Eh, Asian racial fetishism isn’t just a western male thing. While Asian themselves Indonesian and Filipino men go insane over Japanese and Korean women. Like unreasonably insane. Asian fetishes are also growing among African Americans I hear (not confirmed).


Honestly I get the feeling that a lot of it has to do with the Yellow Peril in the early 20th century. Racists just went from being terrified of the mental images they invented about Asian people to fetishizing them.

I think it's more complex than that, because the Yellow Peril mainly focused on males. The same fetishization we see these days was applied to East Asian females. On the other hand, it is quite interesting how Asian males have metamorphosed from sexually aggressive predators to becoming sexually incapable and reticently submissive. I think the transformation probably has something to do with the intellectual/model minority stereotype of East Asians and the demystification of the Orient as a backwards, uncivilized place which naturally leads into the savage stereotype.
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:49 pm

Helga Mheg wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:Asians are an attractive race but I don’t the idea of them stealing my sisters and women


Really saying the quiet part loud, aren't ya?

What's this supposed to imply?

Cordel One wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:How am I a hypocrite?

When I studied abroad in Korea and hoped to find a girlfriend, none of the local women would date me because the men were jealous and probably told them I was a weird foreigner.

I don't think that's why...
Rijk van Afrika wrote:It’s typical tribalistic human behavior to defend your own in group

tribalism is bad
Rijk van Afrika wrote:Yes and I happen to have two sisters who are obsessed with that kpop trash. I am concerned about the future of America because of kpop, mass immigration, etc.

That's a weird thing to be afraid of.
Rijk van Afrika wrote:I think I have a very good reason to worry.

You don't.
Rijk van Afrika wrote:But I’ll stop talking about this here because this is an anti socialism thread, not dating. But I have the right to defend myself. But I’m not going to entertain this discussion anymore for sake f not derailing the thread

Okay

I don't see why it's not a valid fear. I'm literally force-fed BTS and kpop nows on a daily basis by the liberal mainstream media and my younger sister is dating some Asiatic man off at her Marxist 'liberal' arts college.

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Lusai wrote:the submissive asiatic and confucianist patriarchy is what they wish their otherized fascism to be


Probably, I get the feeling that they're really jealous of East Asian culture and religion, especially Shinto.

More in line with the thread, yes, I am a bit jealous, I will not lie. Even the socialist Asian societies seem to be doing well against all odds (i.e. their own ideology) while capitalist ones are literally more developed than most European countries. AND they are homogenous.

I am bitter because I am seeing Europe go up in flames due to "diversity" while Asian countries don't face the same fifth columnism and betrayal.

That being said, comparing say Vietnam or pre-Deng China to South Korea, Taiwan, or Japan shows amply the fruits of socialism.
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Postby Stylan » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:52 pm

Do any of my fellow lefties here like the Zapatistas?
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:52 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
Probably, I get the feeling that they're really jealous of East Asian culture and religion, especially Shinto.

More in line with the thread, yes, I am a bit jealous, I will not lie. Even the socialist Asian societies seem to be doing well against all odds (i.e. their own ideology) while capitalist ones are literally more developed than most European countries.

I am bitter because I am seeing Europe go up in flames due to "diversity" while Asian countries don't face the same fifth columnism and betrayal.


Not to be overtly rude, but this just betrays a total lack of knowledge about Asian countries. They're extremely diverse and filled with different ethnic groups. There's tons of ethnic tensions in Myanmar, China, Thailand, Sri Lanka, etc. and outright armed rebellions in some places such as the Karen National Liberation Army and southern Thailand.
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:54 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:More in line with the thread, yes, I am a bit jealous, I will not lie. Even the socialist Asian societies seem to be doing well against all odds (i.e. their own ideology) while capitalist ones are literally more developed than most European countries.

I am bitter because I am seeing Europe go up in flames due to "diversity" while Asian countries don't face the same fifth columnism and betrayal.


Not to be overtly rude, but this just betrays a total lack of knowledge about Asian countries. They're extremely diverse and filled with different ethnic groups. There's tons of ethnic tensions in Myanmar, China, Thailand, Sri Lanka, etc. and outright armed rebellions in some places such as the Karen National Liberation Army and southern Thailand.

I'm jealous of Korean and Japan which are homogenous and successful countries that have managed to advanced beyond the living standards of the west in fifty years. I don't care about those other countries.

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Postby Stylan » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:55 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
Not to be overtly rude, but this just betrays a total lack of knowledge about Asian countries. They're extremely diverse and filled with different ethnic groups. There's tons of ethnic tensions in Myanmar, China, Thailand, Sri Lanka, etc. and outright armed rebellions in some places such as the Karen National Liberation Army and southern Thailand.

I'm jealous of Korean and Japan which are homogenous and successful countries that have managed to advanced beyond the living standards of the west in fifty years. I don't care about those other countries.

What about North Korea?
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:58 pm

Stylan wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:I'm jealous of Korean and Japan which are homogenous and successful countries that have managed to advanced beyond the living standards of the west in fifty years. I don't care about those other countries.

What about North Korea?

It's socialist and therefore a failure but even then the North Koreans have managed to hold all of Asia hostage, maintain a semi-successful nuclear program, and keep its society orderly and homogenous. And Kim Yo Jong is very pretty.

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Postby Picairn » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:59 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:I'm jealous of Korean and Japan which are homogenous and successful countries that have managed to advanced beyond the living standards of the west in fifty years. I don't care about those other countries.

Successful countries with the highest suicide rates in the world, you mean. South Korea and Japan sacrificed dearly for economic growth.
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Postby Stylan » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:00 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Stylan wrote:What about North Korea?

It's socialist and therefore a failure but even then the North Koreans have managed to hold all of Asia hostage, maintain a semi-successful nuclear program, and keep its society orderly and homogenous. And Kim Yo Jong is very pretty.

So a country is a failure automatically if it is socialist?
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Postby Nakena » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:00 pm

Stylan wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:I'm jealous of Korean and Japan which are homogenous and successful countries that have managed to advanced beyond the living standards of the west in fifty years. I don't care about those other countries.

What about North Korea?


North Korea has some pretty cool and lit aesthetics.

Get gud.

Also for Rijk: here this in, they also have very quality kpop bands that are in no ways behind the capitalist south.

Rijk van Afrika wrote:And Kim Yo Jong is very pretty.


You will learn to appriciate best korea.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:01 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
Not to be overtly rude, but this just betrays a total lack of knowledge about Asian countries. They're extremely diverse and filled with different ethnic groups. There's tons of ethnic tensions in Myanmar, China, Thailand, Sri Lanka, etc. and outright armed rebellions in some places such as the Karen National Liberation Army and southern Thailand.

I'm jealous of Korean and Japan which are homogenous and successful countries that have managed to advanced beyond the living standards of the west in fifty years. I don't care about those other countries.


So instead of Asia, you mean an extremely small part of East Asia.

Neither Japan nor Korea are homogeneous societies and have been mixed since the beginning of those state formations, they also face monumental problems such as an abysmal birth rate, human trafficking, and corrupt stagnant governments which aren't going anywhere any time soon. Both also received large parts of their culture from other countries, ironically the ones you don't care about.
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:02 pm

Picairn wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:I'm jealous of Korean and Japan which are homogenous and successful countries that have managed to advanced beyond the living standards of the west in fifty years. I don't care about those other countries.

Successful countries with the highest suicide rates in the world, you mean. South Korea and Japan sacrificed dearly for economic growth.

Actually, that's pretty demonstrably not true. As of 2016 South Korea was 11th and Japan was 30th. Interestingly, Russia was 1st, followed by Lithuania

As you were saying?
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:03 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:I'm jealous of Korean and Japan which are homogenous and successful countries that have managed to advanced beyond the living standards of the west in fifty years. I don't care about those other countries.


So instead of Asia, you mean an extremely small part of East Asia.

Neither Japan nor Korea are homogeneous societies and have been mixed since the beginning of those state formations, they also face monumental problems such as an abysmal birth rate, human trafficking, and corrupt stagnant governments which aren't going anywhere any time soon. Both also received large parts of their culture from other countries, ironically the ones you don't care about.

lol human trafficking isn't an issue in Korea, now you're just making stuff up

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Postby Nejii » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:03 pm

I’m getting out of here. :blink:
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Postby Stylan » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:04 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
So instead of Asia, you mean an extremely small part of East Asia.

Neither Japan nor Korea are homogeneous societies and have been mixed since the beginning of those state formations, they also face monumental problems such as an abysmal birth rate, human trafficking, and corrupt stagnant governments which aren't going anywhere any time soon. Both also received large parts of their culture from other countries, ironically the ones you don't care about.

lol human trafficking isn't an issue in Korea, now you're just making stuff up

So you basically only like Japan and South Korea?

Hey Rijik, can I ask you - why do you think "white" countries are becoming less and less white?
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:08 pm

Stylan wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:lol human trafficking isn't an issue in Korea, now you're just making stuff up

So you basically only like Japan and South Korea?

Yes. They're not necessarily paradises (and have lots of problems) but they are arguably good countries. Their suicide rates have been vastly overstated by media, their working hours are long (I worked there for a bit too, it's a bit rough but manageable) and their people are homogenous and properly traditional. They don't have dirty streets or abundance of hoodlums, and their economies drive global innovation with the most patents per capita AND advanced industries. The only issue is their demographic decline but I'd honestly take that over the mass immigration in Europe and the USA.

Tell me what exactly Europe has over these countries? Europe needs to follow suit.

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Postby Picairn » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:09 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Picairn wrote:Successful countries with the highest suicide rates in the world, you mean. South Korea and Japan sacrificed dearly for economic growth.

Actually, that's pretty demonstrably not true. As of 2016 South Korea was 11th and Japan was 30th. Interestingly, Russia was 1st, followed by Lithuania

As you were saying?

https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.sdg. ... -2?lang=en According to this chart, South Korea ranks 4th while Japan is 14th. Not highest, but demonstrably high. Anything else?
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:11 pm

Picairn wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:Actually, that's pretty demonstrably not true. As of 2016 South Korea was 11th and Japan was 30th. Interestingly, Russia was 1st, followed by Lithuania

As you were saying?

https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.sdg. ... -2?lang=en According to this chart, South Korea ranks 4th while Japan is 14th. Not highest, but demonstrably high. Anything else?

Except that's HARDLY THE HIGHEST, which was your claim. And note that your OWN source. Shifting the goalposts much?

And notice how the #1 nation in your own source is Lithuania, a democracy that has and does accept immigrants and has not 'paid dearly' for industrialization.
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Postby Duvniask » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:11 pm

Stylan wrote:Do any of my fellow lefties here like the Zapatistas?

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:12 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Stylan wrote:So you basically only like Japan and South Korea?

Yes. They're not necessarily paradises (and have lots of problems) but they are arguably good countries. Their suicide rates have been vastly overstated by media, their working hours are long (I worked there for a bit too, it's a bit rough but manageable) and their people are homogenous and properly traditional. They don't have dirty streets or abundance of hoodlums, and their economies drive global innovation with the most patents per capita AND advanced industries. The only issue is their demographic decline but I'd honestly take that over the mass immigration in Europe and the USA.

Tell me what exactly Europe has over these countries? Europe needs to follow suit.

Why don’t you grab Atheris and Malegron from the LGBT support thread and go make some shitty race science thread, instead of hijacking threads that are about something entirely different
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Postby Picairn » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:12 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:Except that's HARDLY THE HIGHEST, which was your claim. And note that your OWN source. Shifting the goalposts much?

I already made the correction. Re-read my post more carefully before making baseless accusations that I'm "shifting the goalposts".

Picairn wrote:Not highest, but demonstrably high. Anything else?

Now will you say anything about that?
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