Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:50 pmDidn't you know, comrade? Clinton wrote: The State and Revolution II
Didn't you know, comrade? Clinton wrote: The State and Revolution II
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Anti-Socialism Thread
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:50 pmDidn't you know, comrade? Clinton wrote: The State and Revolution II
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:53 pmtrump is a socialist, but he subsidizes corporations rather than people.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:56 pmJabberwocky wrote:trump is a socialist, but he subsidizes corporations rather than people.
socialism is not "when subsidies"
I see I need to read more theory.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:08 pmKowani wrote:I’m sorry do you think Hillary Clinton was socialist?
Everyone knows that the Democratic Party is just an abbreviation of The People's Democratic Party, and was formed by Marx during the collapse of the USSR. Mao himself is a large donor.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:12 pmYou're wrong, it was founded by Stalin just after the Paris communes.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:15 pmSanghyeok wrote:Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
Everyone knows that the Democratic Party is just an abbreviation of The People's Democratic Party, and was formed by Marx during the collapse of the USSR. Mao himself is a large donor.
You're wrong, it was founded by Stalin just after the Paris communes.
That's what the communist reactionaries want you to believe.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:17 pmPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:23 pm(From OP’s sig): Leftism ought not be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a counterculture movement whose principal aim is the total overthrow of democratic society.
I wholeheartedly second this statement ^
I wholeheartedly second this statement ^
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:26 pmFederative States of America wrote:(From OP’s sig): Leftism ought not be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a counterculture movement whose principal aim is the total overthrow of democratic society.
I wholeheartedly second this statement ^
What is it like living in a world where movie villains with paper thin motivations to just be eeeeeevil for the hell of it are real and lurking around every corner
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:28 pmFederative States of America wrote:(From OP’s sig): Leftism ought not be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a counterculture movement whose principal aim is the total overthrow of democratic society.
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement ^
The astroturfing's gotten really blatant, y'all should probably not do that.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:28 pmsocialism is over-rated.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:29 pmSenkaku wrote:Federative States of America wrote:(From OP’s sig): Leftism ought not be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a counterculture movement whose principal aim is the total overthrow of democratic society.
I wholeheartedly second this statement ^
What is it like living in a world where movie villains with paper thin motivations to just be eeeeeevil for the hell of it are real and lurking around every corner
I couldn’t answer that from personal experience. I grew up in Trump’s America
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:30 pmFederative States of America wrote:(From OP’s sig): Leftism ought not be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a counterculture movement whose principal aim is the total overthrow of democratic society.
I wholeheartedly second this statement ^
Above all, it will establish a democratic constitution, and through this, the direct or indirect dominance of the proletariat. Direct in England, where the proletarians are already a majority of the people. Indirect in France and Germany, where the majority of the people consists not only of proletarians, but also of small peasants and petty bourgeois who are in the process of falling into the proletariat, who are more and more dependent in all their political interests on the proletariat, and who must, therefore, soon adapt to the demands of the proletariat. Perhaps this will cost a second struggle, but the outcome can only be the victory of the proletariat.
Democracy would be wholly valueless to the proletariat if it were not immediately used as a means for putting through measures directed against private property and ensuring the livelihood of the proletariat. The main measures, emerging as the necessary result of existing relations, are the following:
(i) Limitation of private property through progressive taxation, heavy inheritance taxes, abolition of inheritance through collateral lines (brothers, nephews, etc.) forced loans, etc.
(ii) Gradual expropriation of landowners, industrialists, railroad magnates and shipowners, partly through competition by state industry, partly directly through compensation in the form of bonds.
(iii) Confiscation of the possessions of all emigrants and rebels against the majority of the people.
(iv) Organization of labor or employment of proletarians on publicly owned land, in factories and workshops, with competition among the workers being abolished and with the factory owners, in so far as they still exist, being obliged to pay the same high wages as those paid by the state.
(v) An equal obligation on all members of society to work until such time as private property has been completely abolished. Formation of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
(vi) Centralization of money and credit in the hands of the state through a national bank with state capital, and the suppression of all private banks and bankers.
(vii) Increase in the number of national factories, workshops, railroads, ships; bringing new lands into cultivation and improvement of land already under cultivation – all in proportion to the growth of the capital and labor force at the disposal of the nation.
(viii) Education of all children, from the moment they can leave their mother’s care, in national establishments at national cost. Education and production together.
(ix) Construction, on public lands, of great palaces as communal dwellings for associated groups of citizens engaged in both industry and agriculture and combining in their way of life the advantages of urban and rural conditions while avoiding the one-sidedness and drawbacks of each.
(x) Destruction of all unhealthy and jerry-built dwellings in urban districts.
(xi) Equal inheritance rights for children born in and out of wedlock.
(xii) Concentration of all means of transportation in the hands of the nation.
It is impossible, of course, to carry out all these measures at once. But one will always bring others in its wake. Once the first radical attack on private property has been launched, the proletariat will find itself forced to go ever further, to concentrate increasingly in the hands of the state all capital, all agriculture, all transport, all trade. All the foregoing measures are directed to this end; and they will become practicable and feasible, capable of producing their centralizing effects to precisely the degree that the proletariat, through its labor, multiplies the country’s productive forces.
Finally, when all capital, all production, all exchange have been brought together in the hands of the nation, private property will disappear of its own accord, money will become superfluous, and production will so expand and man so change that society will be able to slough off whatever of its old economic habits may remain.
-Friedrich Engels, The Principles of Communism
Want even more democracy?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:47 pmyou were born four years ago? you should be learning to read, not learning to accept bad takes on a website full of extremists, meme nations, and weebs.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:22 pmConservatism ought not to be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a reactionary movement whose principal aim is the total oppression of reformers.
it's funny how generalizing an umbrella term and throwing in some keywords makes you sound smart to (a few) people on your side, and makes it very easy for people on the other side to disregard anyhting you say.
it's funny how generalizing an umbrella term and throwing in some keywords makes you sound smart to (a few) people on your side, and makes it very easy for people on the other side to disregard anyhting you say.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:25 pmConservatism is a backwards ideology in both name and in their actions, and it needs to be scrubbed from the face of our Earth
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:36 pmWink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:Conservatism ought not to be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a reactionary movement whose principal aim is the total oppression of reformers.
Posadism ought not to be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a fringe movement whose principal aim is complete liberation of the world's proletariat following nuclear war.
Wait...
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:44 pmSanghyeok wrote:Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:Conservatism ought not to be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a reactionary movement whose principal aim is the total oppression of reformers.
Posadism ought not to be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a fringe movement whose principal aim is complete liberation of the world's proletariat following nuclear war.
Wait...
Posadism ought not to be understood as a concrete political ideology, but as the only way to salvation. *ducks into nuke shelter, prays*
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:00 amEyy fam is this the new LWDT
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:02 amPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:06 amPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:42 am-Ra- wrote:UK working people swung heavily in favour of the Tories this past election.
Which is not surprising considering that the UK is, as one noted thinker put it, 'an entire country with sick building syndrome'.
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:47 am-Ra- wrote:The biggest argument against socialism is probably that socialist policies are detested most vehemently by the working class themselves. UK working people swung heavily in favour of the Tories this past election. 30% more of America’s white working class voted for Trump than did Hillary. By my experience the majority of avowed socialists these days are people who come from upper middle class families.
Detested the Labour policies so hard that they were all for them when given them blind.
So let's see your evidence that economic policy was what made everyone vote Conservative rather than cultural anxiety.
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:57 amAlso ima just saying folks can dislike leftism all they want but when they seem to base their political identity on opposition to the left that's, well, that's when I unlatch the safety of my browning.
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:08 am"~...Communism, Socialism, call it what you like, there's very little difference in the two. Now Ain't I right? (Ain't he right?)"
--Our Lord Marty Robbins
I hate Communism with every atom in my body, of course I still enjoy the memes about it, and Liberty Prime blasting Winnie the Pooh back to the Mongol age
--Our Lord Marty Robbins
I hate Communism with every atom in my body, of course I still enjoy the memes about it, and Liberty Prime blasting Winnie the Pooh back to the Mongol age