Anti-Socialism Thread

[Duvniask]

The Prague Spring was an anti-socialist, anti-communist, anti-Soviet, pro-democracy uprising that was literally crushed by the Red Army.

Do you know anything about the Prague Spring? It began when Alexander Dubček announced a new direction dubbed "Socialism with a Human Face". It was not anti-communist, just as the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 was not anti-communist either.

[The Hindustani State]

I think some form of saffron socialism is good but we should avoid communism because that turns countries into Chinese puppet states like what happened to Nepal and Laos

I mean, China has long ditched Maoist socialism in favor of "Communism with Capitalist Characteristics". The problem with modern China is more of because it's governed by a genocidal, Orwellian, imperialist regime, and less of the result of actual socialism.

I think India needs saffron socialism, that is socialism combined with Hindu values and nationalism. I don’t think communism is a good idea because it is hostile to our traditions and moral values and most communist countries in Asia end up becoming Chinese puppet states. India is too big to become a puppet state like Laos or Nepal, but it can easily be influenced like how the US influences Latin America

[Washington Resistance Army]

You are deeply mistaken if you think China has completely abandoned its revolutionary fervor of yesteryear.

Fervor hasn't, economic system has.

There is an ideological basing for China's current economics to be fair.

[The New California Republic]

The Prague Spring was an anti-socialist, anti-communist, anti-Soviet, pro-democracy uprising that was literally crushed by the Red Army.

Do you know anything about the Prague Spring? It began when Alexander Dubček announced a new direction dubbed "Socialism with a Human Face". It was not anti-communist, just as the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 was not anti-communist either.

Yup Dubček was socialist, but the USSR just didn't like his interpretation of it.

[Cordel One]

I mean, China has long ditched Maoist socialism in favor of "Communism with Capitalist Characteristics". The problem with modern China is more of because it's governed by a genocidal, Orwellian, imperialist regime, and less of the result of actual socialism.

I think India needs saffron socialism, that is socialism combined with Hindu values and nationalism. I don’t think communism is a good idea because it is hostile to our traditions and moral values and most communist countries in Asia end up becoming Chinese puppet states. India is too big to become a puppet state like Laos or Nepal, but it can easily be influenced like how the US influences Latin America

Saffron socialism is a really cool name for an interesting ideology, I'll support it. Indigenous leftism is the best

[Alternamerica]

The Prague Spring was an anti-socialist, anti-communist, anti-Soviet, pro-democracy uprising that was literally crushed by the Red Army.

Do you know anything about the Prague Spring? It began when Alexander Dubček announced a new direction dubbed "Socialism with a Human Face". It was not anti-communist, just as the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 was not anti-communist either.

All leftist ideologies are a single monolith, that's why Yugoslavia, an ally of the USSR, is a threat to Greece and Turkey

[6th International]

Most problems in society are caused by either capitalism or religion. Change my mind.

[Senkaku]

Do you know anything about the Prague Spring? It began when Alexander Dubček announced a new direction dubbed "Socialism with a Human Face". It was not anti-communist, just as the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 was not anti-communist either.

All leftist ideologies are a single monolith, that's why Yugoslavia, an ally of the USSR, is a threat to Greece and Turkey

genuinely can't tell if this is unironic or not lol

[Washington Resistance Army]

Do you know anything about the Prague Spring? It began when Alexander Dubček announced a new direction dubbed "Socialism with a Human Face". It was not anti-communist, just as the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 was not anti-communist either.

All leftist ideologies are a single monolith, that's why Yugoslavia, an ally of the USSR, is a threat to Greece and Turkey

>Yugoslavia
>ally of the USSR

You do know that, uh, Tito threatened to kill Stalin, right?

[Resilient Acceleration]

Most problems in society are caused by either capitalism or religion. Change my mind.

Death is currently certain due to a process called "aging", where damages on our chromosome from years of division and maybe some free radicals accumulate. This has caused a lot of problems.

[Alternamerica]

All leftist ideologies are a single monolith, that's why Yugoslavia, an ally of the USSR, is a threat to Greece and Turkey

genuinely can't tell if this is unironic or not lol

>Yugoslavia
>ally of the USSR

You do know that, uh, Tito threatened to kill Stalin, right?

That statement was sarcastic but then I forgot right-wingers actually do believe that

[Kowani]

Most problems in society are caused by either capitalism or religion. Change my mind.

Death is currently certain due to a process called "aging", where damages on our chromosome from years of division and maybe some free radicals accumulate. This has caused a lot of problems.

The grim reaper cannot be stopped by 5-year plans!

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

the anti-socialism thread has become the socialism thread. it seems socialism is contagious, especially in social situations.

[Nuroblav]

the anti-socialism thread has become the socialism thread. it seems socialism is contagious, especially in social situations.

Can't say I'm surprised to be honest

[Senkaku]

the anti-socialism thread has become the socialism thread. it seems socialism is contagious, especially in social situations.

well, when you define a topic simply as being against a thing, usually discussion will then center on that thing, since there's no other basis for discussion lol

[The Hindustani State]

the anti-socialism thread has become the socialism thread. it seems socialism is contagious, especially in social situations.

Not necessarily, socialism is so broad it can include nearly anything. For example, the Indian ideology of Saffron Socialism, the one that Modi and the BJP support, is considered "right wing" in the West, or so I’ve been told. We are opposed to "Red Socialism" which wants to destroy tradition and religion, and we support nationalism which is also something "Red socialists" are opposed to. But we still agree that the rich shouldn’t control society and the poor need to have a voice and measures need to be taken to help them out of their situation, which is why the BJP has been consistently winning elections in a landslide ever since the rise of Modi. Before him BJP was capitalist, just like the opposition INC.

[Cordel One]

the anti-socialism thread has become the socialism thread. it seems socialism is contagious, especially in social situations.

This thread has been seized by the proletariat

[Washington Resistance Army]

the anti-socialism thread has become the socialism thread. it seems socialism is contagious, especially in social situations.

This thread has been seized by the proletariat

The proletariat are mindless drones, this thread is now the property of the peasants.

[Cordel One]

This thread has been seized by the proletariat

The proletariat are mindless drones, this thread is now the property of the peasants.

Peasants have it too easy, this thread is now serf territory

[Nevertopia]

He said: "I concur! And in a democratic capitalist country you can vote and regulate the market to fix those economic inequality, insecurity and instability! Democratic Social capitalism for the win!"

And that is why capitalism will succeed wherever it is tried.

How is success measured? Number of billionaires per capita?

Wouldn't that be something?

[Nuroblav]

The proletariat are mindless drones, this thread is now the property of the peasants.

Peasants are too free, this thread is now serf territory

This thread is to be given to anyone willing (provided it has the permission of the one who laboured to create it) to buy, for future reward (hopefully bread - who doesn't love bread).

[Valrifell]

The proletariat are mindless drones, this thread is now the property of the peasants.

Peasants have it too easy, this thread is now serf territory

This thread belong to monke

ooo-ooo aah-aah

[Alternamerica]

This thread has been seized by the proletariat

The proletariat are mindless drones, this thread is now the property of the peasants.

Peasants are just wage slaves like industrial workers. This thread now belongs to hunter-gatherers. Anarcho-Primitivism supreme!
Get away from us, Elamites and Hitties! We don't want to farm!

[Glorious Hong Kong]

California has all kinds of taxes and regulations that are causing small business owners and other residents to leave in droves. I'm inclined to believe the Cato Institute here even though I'm a right-authoritarian.

Taxes and Regulations =/= Social Democracy

Social Democracy is combining Positive and Negative Civil Liberties like glue that sticks community together. California focuses on Negative Civil Liberties but completely ignore Positive Liberties like Healthcare and Education. There are no social programs in California to help the community unless you're near starvation and even then, if you make a penny above a ridiculously low wage, you lose all support. Taxes are raised, but welfare spending is low, minimum wage is only increased to ensure there are enough poor people to depend on long hours and enough consumption for corporate profits. The state pockets all profits and subsidizes corporations to continue destroying the state's ecology to honor Plutus. That isn't Social Democracy, that's Neoliberalism on crack and even Blairites in the UK would be appalled at ex governor Jerry Brown's policies. But hey, at least wealthy gays can get married. Poor ones can die or something without healthcare

Here's some more info on what Social Democracy is: https://www.britannica.com/topic/social-democracy
AKA: Think of Central and Northern Europe

Social democracy increasingly resembles social liberalism nowadays even though the two worldviews trace their roots to separate political traditions, namely, socialism/communism and classical liberalism respectively. Social liberalism/social democracy is more acceptable to me as long as it isn't accompanied by woke, identitarian, cultural Marxist drivel giving rise to hateful, divisive movements such as BLM and MeToo, because Marxism isn't just about economics.

For a lot of the US right wing that way to far left.

Sad really. American social conservatism moved with a socdem economy would be good for the U.S..

Christian democratic parties and Islamist parties traditionally hold this position. Christian democrats are regarded as centrists in Europe. I consider Islamists to be far-right extremists similar to the Nazis, who happened to have the word socialist in their name. All of these parties favor big government.

A bit of socialism sprinkled into our lives is okay. But like sugar, there should not be too much of it.

Ya, even I have to admit unchecked capitalism is destructive in the long-run. Still better than being a commie, though thats not a high bar to pass.

Agreed. Neoliberalism is bad for everyone. But communism is way, way, worse.

*snip*

Do you ever have conversations with socialists about what they believe, or listen to what they have to say? It seems to me you spend most of your time on this forum putting words into people's mouths in the most long-winded and hyperbolic fashion possible, relying on the density and length of your text and the extremist language used to turn people off from even engaging with it unless they agree with it because it would be too much trouble. It's tiresome to read, tiresome to engage with, and worst of all, it's a waste of your time, because it doesn't lead to conversations where you can learn anything new about the world. It's just a pseudo-monastic recitation of political language and specific right-wing terminology and iconography that serves more as symbolism than anything else. You squeeze in as many negative descriptors as possible to the point that it's almost comical.

I mean, why do you think human beings end up believing in socialism? Do you really think people are so easily hoodwinked by what you seem to describe as some kind of ideology of pure evil that has such a ludicrously black-and-white moral distinction from capitalism or whatever you believe in? Do you think that so many people would be unable to distinguish between good and evil, if they are as clearly defined as you claim? Do you consider what might motivate other humans to believe in the things they profess to believe in, or that their sincere expressions of their thoughts might actually be just that, rather than Trojan horses for some monstrous Orwellian evil?

I have a habit of typing long-winded posts on just about anything. That's just me.

Someone very dear to me identifies as a socialist and we have our disagreements, but we both despise communism with a vengeance and we possess a shared hatred of the Chinese Communist Party. Our differences have never gotten in the way of our relationship. The word "socialism" can mean vastly different things to different people in different contexts even among different groups of self-identified socialists themselves, which is why I prefer to use the terms Marxism and communism in reference to the ideology that I thoroughly denounce. As I mentioned in an earlier post, moderate, social democracy that's devoid of woke, intersectional, identitarian, cultural Marxist baggage is more acceptable to me. That's the Left I used to identify with before it mutated into something unrecognizable within the past 5-10 years.

Sincerity is no excuse for believing in, normalizing, and defending the indefensible. Communism and liberalism are fundamentally incompatible and have absolutely nothing in common with each other. Why do you think many Muslims turn to radical Islamism for answers? Why do you think the Germans turned to Hitler, or Chinese peasants turned to the CCP? Two wrongs don't make a right, especially if the second wrong turns out to be far, far worse than the first.

Universal healthcare? Free public education? Social safety net and welfare checks? Progressive taxation? Breaking up large corporations? Universal Basic Income? Fine by me. That's the kind of "socialism" or democratic socialism or social democracy, whatever you want to call it, that I can get behind. The gap between the haves and the have-nots needs to be narrowed.

Affirmative action? Demonizing and scapegoating white men for every bad thing that happens to blacks and women no matter how minor and trivial? Tarring Trump supporters and Trump himself as white supremacists and fascists and spreading all kinds of fake news about them? Rioting, looting, arson, murder, terrorism? Slandering, smearing, and ruining the lives, careers, and reputations of people you disagree with politically because they "made you feel unsafe"? Critical race theory? Calling everyone a racist or an Uncle Tom and screaming about pronouns and Halloween costumes? That is a dealbreaker.

Alternately, supporting the Chinese Communist Party and seeking to further its influence? Unforgivable. Although as I said earlier, American leftists tend not to get along with the CCP in the same way that Stalin had Trotsky assassinated with an ice pick in Mexico.

[Zunt]

Then you don't know what actual tyranny is.

America remains a robust, thriving, liberal democracy even after four years of "fascist, white supremacist tyrant" Donald Trump. It's almost as if he has never been and will never be a dictator-for-life. The American constitution and c. 250 years of democratic tradition will never allow that to happen. A number of high-ranking army officers have already published an open letter decrying his antics back in June when he cleared Lafayette Square so he could walk to a local church and hold up an upside-down Bible. I'd like to see him try to seize absolute power for himself and run for a third term. And he's standing up to an even worse tyrant in China as well as crypto-communist insurgents of a slightly different sort at home. He is all that stands between the free world and a second round of communism of both the Chinese and American subtypes. That is the real pandemic.

You should consider yourself lucky to have him as your president and to live in one of the freest societies in the world. The American flag remains a symbol of freedom and democracy to millions of people around the world from Hong Kong to Israel to India to England. Here's a group of Hong Kongers singing the U.S. national anthem and waving the American flag. Also note that Donald Trump is extremely popular in India and Israel, and I'm a staunch supporter of both countries and their geopolitical interests align neatly with mine and with those of the United States.

Too bad this is all going to end in a relatively short span of time, as far as historical time is concerned. The American empire is, like its predecessors, destined to fall, and in its wake a new Asian empire will most likely emerge. Indeed, a future led by the East, in general, and by China, in particular, is considerably plausible, and a geopolitical affront to the winners of the Cold War is not a mere hypothesis of imminent verification, but an ineluctable fact.

America won't fall anytime soon. There are millions of armed patriots here in the States who will fight tooth and nail to keep their values, ways of life, and freedoms from being taken away from a foreign entity like China. The American people are much more resilient than you think. THE USA will never die as long as the people are still alive.