Anti-Socialism Thread

[Stylan]

if I heard "socialism is when the government does stuff" one more time I'll take the grill pill and become an enlightened centrist who cares little for the political games of humankind and pities those with opinions. I will also ascend to godhood after being cleansed of all my sins through the torture that is this thread. eldritch godhood though, that's the best kind.

Actually, socialists are the evil Chinese-Christian business oligarchs who wants to kill or arrest all the Islamic ulemas, establish a secular state, take over our natural resources, and opress the majority for their and the Chinese Mainland's profit. Source: my country's political discourse. If you think political propaganda in the western world is bad, wait until you see what we're capable of doing.

You live in...?

[An-Tanwir]

love it when the racists are polite

I don't think you know what the word 'racist' means. I don't have a racist bone in my body. For example, I know plenty of Asians. Good food, exotic women, what's not to like?

Are you serious dude? "exotic women"?

[Rijk van Afrika]

That doesn't mean I think whites are better than blacks I just think people naturally want to be with people who are similar to them

This is why so many Americans live in suburbs. It's not racist to acknowledge human nature

White americans live in suburbs because of segregation.

That's debatable

[Resilient Acceleration]

Actually, socialists are the evil Chinese-Christian business oligarchs who wants to kill or arrest all the Islamic ulemas, establish a secular state, take over our natural resources, and opress the majority for their and the Chinese Mainland's profit. Source: my country's political discourse. If you think political propaganda in the western world is bad, wait until you see what we're capable of doing.

You live in...?

Indonesia.

[-Astoria-]

Alright lads, let's move back on topic to socialism, before the mod's attack us and we get pounced.

How about we move onto the actual so called "death toll" of socialism? What is it?

I think it's a waste of time to try to come up with death tolls for an idealogy because it's really subjective and you can disagree with something without knowing exactly how many people it killed.

This.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

That doesn't mean I think whites are better than blacks I just think people naturally want to be with people who are similar to them

This is why so many Americans live in suburbs. It's not racist to acknowledge human nature

White americans live in suburbs because of segregation.

he's arguing for segregation. just ignore him, it's a waste of time not too. plz also vote for me for apotheosis 2024 thx for your support

[Stylan]

I don't think you know what the word 'racist' means. I don't have a racist bone in my body. For example, I know plenty of Asians. Good food, exotic women, what's not to like?

Are you serious dude? "exotic women"?

He's a literal white nationalist, don't expect much.

[VlaRiSsiA]

if I heard "socialism is when the government does stuff" one more time I'll take the grill pill and become an enlightened centrist who cares little for the political games of humankind and pities those with opinions. I will also ascend to godhood after being cleansed of all my sins through the torture that is this thread. eldritch godhood though, that's the best kind.

Come join us tankies. Authoritarian leftism is the future, comrade.

Pros to joining tankies:

It actually works in real life!
haha steel production go brrrr
Papa Joey
Workers councils!
Lasting more than a year
High living standards
Happy citizens
Full communism by (insert date)

No, ethnic cleansing and political repression is not my taste

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Talatorum, Stylan, Orostan, Ra if you think he is, Vassenor imo, me probably, Odreria, the Maoist...

Wait, am I the Maoist?

I mean, I assume, since you have Mao Zedong thought in your thing and support authoritarianism as a path to socialism.

[Nevertopia]

Welcome to Capitalism 101. Here you will learn all about making plans for maximising profit within 3 months and giving no fucks about the next 10 years, let alone the next 100.

Strawmen 101: Ignoring nuclear energy, solar wind, hydropower, and electric car companies.

dont be ignorant, even a pro-capitalist such as myself realizes capitalism only cares about maximizing profits. This push for regulated capitalism in relatively new in human history. Even now we're struggling with turn and burn for profits policies that created this new market for renewables artificially created by regulations and not as a natural consequence of market correction.

[Nilokeras]

It seems the only people truly engaging in "praxis" as the lefties call it are anarchist/AntiFa. What are authoritarian leftists doing??

Charging in to local DSA organizing meetings dressed like this and denouncing them for revisionism and then assaulting a random person, it seems. Very productive.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Welcome to Capitalism 101. Here you will learn all about making plans for maximising profit within 3 months and giving no fucks about the next 10 years, let alone the next 100.

Strawmen 101: Ignoring nuclear energy, solar wind, hydropower, and electric car companies.

Nuclear is being taken a giant dump on by oil oligarchs.
Wind is an unstable joke, especially considering the storms we have to harden them against.
Hydro-building has basically ceased in all major Western countries.
And who powers the Teslas? Who mines the rare earths for the batteries?

[An-Tanwir]

you do realize saying asian women are exotic is racist, right? racism doesn't have to be literal slavery.

Exotic can mean "interesting". Plus, if that's true many Russians are Racist because they have no problem using the n word, even in childrens books. No, I am not kidding.

There's a LONG history of western depictions of asian women as "exotic", this of course meaning "sex object". PLEASE read up on orientalism

[Rijk van Afrika]

I don't think you know what the word 'racist' means. I don't have a racist bone in my body. For example, I know plenty of Asians. Good food, exotic women, what's not to like?

Are you serious dude? "exotic women"?

Yeah, it means they're beautiful and different from the women I'm used to.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Strawmen 101: Ignoring nuclear energy, solar wind, hydropower, and electric car companies.

dont be ignorant, even a pro-capitalist such as myself realizes capitalism only cares about maximizing profits. This push for regulated capitalism in relatively new in human history. Even now we're struggling with turn and burn for profits policies that created this new market for renewables artificially created by regulations and not as a natural consequence of market correction.

I mean, I agree on some regulation. But saying all companies pump carbon dioxide into the air is strawmanning.

[Stylan]

You live in...?

Indonesia.

Oh nice!

Also - Ra, if capitalism is so great, how come the US had to interfere in Greece, Italy, the Philipines, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Venezeula, Russia, Germany, Laos, Cambodia, China, Cuba, Burkina Faso, Nicaragua, Iraq, Iran, Panama, Korea, Egypt, Indonesia,Costa Rica, Angola,... to stop socialism from rising?

[Rijk van Afrika]

Indonesia.

Oh nice!

Also - Ra, if capitalism is so great, how come the US had to interfere in Greece, Italy, the Philipines, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Venezeula, Russia, Germany, Laos, Cambodia, China, Cuba, Burkina Faso, Nicaragua, Iraq, Iran, Panama, Korea, Egypt, Indonesia,Costa Rica, Angola,... to stop socialism from rising?

Just because people want something doesn't make it good

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

Strawmen 101: Ignoring nuclear energy, solar wind, hydropower, and electric car companies.

dont be ignorant, even a pro-capitalist such as myself realizes capitalism only cares about maximizing profits. This push for regulated capitalism in relatively new in human history. Even now we're struggling with turn and burn for-profits policies that created this new market for renewables artificially created by regulations and not as a natural consequence of market correction.

Very correct and based to admit this. I used to get disappointed when nevertopia popped in with his hot anti-socialist takes, but this thread is gradually wearing down my sanity and standards for discourse.

[Loben III]

That doesn't mean I think whites are better than blacks I just think people naturally want to be with people who are similar to them

This is why so many Americans live in suburbs. It's not racist to acknowledge human nature

White americans live in suburbs because of segregation.

oh no, suburbs, truly the worst thing to happen.

[Grill Pill]

It seems the only people truly engaging in "praxis" as the lefties call it are anarchist/AntiFa. What are authoritarian leftists doing??

Leftists do not engage in praxis lol, 99 percent of the left are just very online people. The real revolution will be a new brand of communism, probably Paul Cockshott influenced, and with strong democratic elements. I just like expressing my views as a ML online somewhere. The revolution, should it occur, will be a new brand of socialism, one that reconnects us in a semi-spiritual way to our fellow man, and while appreciates Marx, moves beyond both anarchism, Marxism-Leninsm, maoism, and any other former ideologies.

So AntiFa isn't the left huh with their little street fights with perceived right wingers huh. Thanks man that actually explains a lot I knew they were the real fascists

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

dont be ignorant, even a pro-capitalist such as myself realizes capitalism only cares about maximizing profits. This push for regulated capitalism in relatively new in human history. Even now we're struggling with turn and burn for profits policies that created this new market for renewables artificially created by regulations and not as a natural consequence of market correction.

I mean, I agree on some regulation. But saying all companies pump carbon dioxide into the air is strawmanning.

which companies don't?

[Loben III]

Indonesia.

Oh nice!

Also - Ra, if capitalism is so great, how come the US had to interfere in Greece, Italy, the Philipines, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Venezeula, Russia, Germany, Laos, Cambodia, China, Cuba, Burkina Faso, Nicaragua, Iraq, Iran, Panama, Korea, Egypt, Indonesia,Costa Rica, Angola,... to stop socialism from rising?

Germany?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

But saying all companies pump carbon dioxide into the air

As the period between Queen Victoria and the 1950's taught us the capitalists of the world has to be herded by the force of law into not dumping their waste everywhere. And that a lot of people will die before the capitalists move.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Indonesia.

Oh nice!

Also - Ra, if capitalism is so great, how come the US had to interfere in Greece, Italy, the Philipines, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Venezeula, Russia, Germany, Laos, Cambodia, China, Cuba, Burkina Faso, Nicaragua, Iraq, Iran, Panama, Korea, Egypt, Indonesia,Costa Rica, Angola,... to stop socialism from rising?

Why did the USSR have to do the opposite for Korea, China, Tannu Tuva, Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia?

[An-Tanwir]

Come join us tankies. Authoritarian leftism is the future, comrade.

i can't, i like freedom too much

It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.