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Who is your favourite anti-socialist author?

Poll ended at Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:23 am

Milton Friedman
9
15%
Ludwig von Mises
3
5%
Thomas Sowell
6
10%
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
10
16%
Ayn Rand
9
15%
Friedrich Hayek
0
No votes
Irving Kristol
1
2%
Karl Popper
6
10%
Boris Pasternak
6
10%
Other
12
19%
 
Total votes : 62

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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:50 pm

United Chinese Communes wrote:
Picairn wrote:Ah, the crisp smell of racism in the morning.

That has already been made fairly clear.

this is who I meant with the Maoist thing. and yes, it's painfully obvious that rijk's a racist.
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Postby An-Tanwir » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:51 pm

-Ra- wrote:
An-Tanwir wrote:What about Winston Churchill, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Andrew Jackson?

Churchill was fire, Jackson was meh, Napoleon was a dictator so yuck.

I assure you the architect of the Bengal Famine was not "fire"
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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:51 pm

United Chinese Communes wrote:
Picairn wrote:Ah, the crisp smell of racism in the morning.

That has already been made fairly clear.
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:probably, though there was someone named something like socialist chinese states who popped in for a while

Would that be me? My Maoism is pretty heterodox though.

don't know mu\ch about your Maoism, just guessed it was you based on the flag and the name
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Postby Stylan » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:52 pm

Wow this thread is fucking insanity, lmao. It's great to see Marxist-Leninists and Maoists come be so open though. We love to see it folks!

Thanks to all my anarchists and libsoc comrades for defending Venezeula and Bolivia too!
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Postby An-Tanwir » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:52 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
An-Tanwir wrote:What about Winston Churchill, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Andrew Jackson?

Winston Churchill presided over the biggest growth in British government spending in history (socialist), Bonaparte literally led a violently revolutionary uprising and exterminated members of the elite, and Andrew Jackson was a poorly educated jerk who advocated for socialist policies

Notice you didn't mention the ethnic cleansings they committed.
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Postby Stylan » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:53 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
An-Tanwir wrote:What about Winston Churchill, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Andrew Jackson?

Winston Churchill presided over the biggest growth in British government spending in history (socialist), Bonaparte literally led a violently revolutionary uprising and exterminated members of the elite, and Andrew Jackson was a poorly educated jerk who advocated for socialist policies

Government spending isn't socialism dude. Andrew Jackson was a colossal racist.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:53 pm

Stylan wrote:Thanks to all my anarchists and libsoc comrades for defending Venezeula and Bolivia too!

Just wait until they come for you when you start to defend the USSR.
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Postby United Chinese Communes » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:54 pm

An-Tanwir wrote:
-Ra- wrote:Churchill was fire, Jackson was meh, Napoleon was a dictator so yuck.

I assure you the architect of the Bengal Famine was not "fire"

Don't forget Iraq.
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Postby An-Tanwir » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:54 pm

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Rijk van Afrika wrote:Winston Churchill presided over the biggest growth in British government spending in history (socialist), Bonaparte literally led a violently revolutionary uprising and exterminated members of the elite, and Andrew Jackson was a poorly educated jerk who advocated for socialist policies

Andrew Jackson was good actually. The natives were collectivizors who would become socialists had their nations continued today so his actions were justified in bringing about a proper democratic balance in the country, however i think the survivors should be compensated because it was a little tough.

I appreciate the satire but let's not joke about the trail of tears
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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:56 pm

if I heard "socialism is when the government does stuff" one more time I'll take the grill pill and become an enlightened centrist who cares little for the political games of humankind and pities those with opinions. I will also ascend to godhood after being cleansed of all my sins through the torture that is this thread. eldritch godhood though, that's the best kind.
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Postby Stylan » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:57 pm

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:if I heard "socialism is when the government does stuff" one more time I'll take the grill pill and become an enlightened centrist who cares little for the political games of humankind and pities those with opinions. I will also ascend to godhood after being cleansed of all my sins through the torture that is this thread. eldritch godhood though, that's the best kind.

Come join us tankies. Authoritarian leftism is the future, comrade.

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Postby Grill Pill » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:57 pm

An-Tanwir wrote:
Grill Pill wrote:Andrew Jackson was good actually. The natives were collectivizors who would become socialists had their nations continued today so his actions were justified in bringing about a proper democratic balance in the country, however i think the survivors should be compensated because it was a little tough.

I appreciate the satire but let's not joke about the trail of tears

like all centrist things half of it was satire that went too far. reparations aren't though

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Postby Picairn » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:57 pm

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:if I heard "socialism is when the government does stuff" one more time I'll take the grill pill and become an enlightened centrist who cares little for the political games of humankind and pities those with opinions. I will also ascend to godhood after being cleansed of all my sins through the torture that is this thread. eldritch godhood though, that's the best kind.

Give me some stuff to smoke too, mate!
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:57 pm

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:if I heard "socialism is when the government does stuff" one more time I'll take the grill pill and become an enlightened centrist who cares little for the political games of humankind and pities those with opinions. I will also ascend to godhood after being cleansed of all my sins through the torture that is this thread. eldritch godhood though, that's the best kind.

I might do the same if someone tries to define my beliefs out of anarchism again.
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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:57 pm

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Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:if I heard "socialism is when the government does stuff" one more time I'll take the grill pill and become an enlightened centrist who cares little for the political games of humankind and pities those with opinions. I will also ascend to godhood after being cleansed of all my sins through the torture that is this thread. eldritch godhood though, that's the best kind.

Come join us tankies. Authoritarian leftism is the future, comrade.

i can't, i like freedom too much
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Postby An-Tanwir » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:58 pm

-Ra- wrote:
Marsane wrote:
yeah all of that does not change the material results of the violation of sovereignty and the undermining of democracy abroad. like you can literally apply the same argument to any thing which had negative material outcomes.

if you support him you are in opposition to democracy and national sovereignty, sorry sweetie!

On the contrary, if you support Kissinger, you are supporting the proliferation of liberal democracy at the expense of communists overtaking the world and turning it into a miserable hellhole. Again, this is not an equivalent comparison. Kissinger was not a head of government, and his work reflected a realistic approach to foreign politics. His legacy is complicated, but ultimately positive. Kissinger is also not guilty of half the things you accuse him of, and only an enabler of authoritarian regimes would suggest that he is in any way comparable to Evo or any other socialist crackpot.

Sorry, sweetie!

Tell that to the Cambodians and Lao
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Postby Grill Pill » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:58 pm

Stylan wrote:
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:if I heard "socialism is when the government does stuff" one more time I'll take the grill pill and become an enlightened centrist who cares little for the political games of humankind and pities those with opinions. I will also ascend to godhood after being cleansed of all my sins through the torture that is this thread. eldritch godhood though, that's the best kind.

Come join us tankies. Authoritarian leftism is the future, comrade.

It seems the only people truly engaging in "praxis" as the lefties call it are anarchist/AntiFa. What are authoritarian leftists doing??

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Postby Grill Pill » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:59 pm

An-Tanwir wrote:
-Ra- wrote:On the contrary, if you support Kissinger, you are supporting the proliferation of liberal democracy at the expense of communists overtaking the world and turning it into a miserable hellhole. Again, this is not an equivalent comparison. Kissinger was not a head of government, and his work reflected a realistic approach to foreign politics. His legacy is complicated, but ultimately positive. Kissinger is also not guilty of half the things you accuse him of, and only an enabler of authoritarian regimes would suggest that he is in any way comparable to Evo or any other socialist crackpot.

Sorry, sweetie!

Tell that to the Cambodians and Lao

Kissinger dropped as much bombs on Laos as I do hot takes on all you radicals

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Postby Picairn » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:00 pm

Grill Pill wrote:It seems the only people truly engaging in "praxis" as the lefties call it are anarchist/AntiFa. What are authoritarian leftists doing??

Too busy hauling people into Gulags.
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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:00 pm

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Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:if I heard "socialism is when the government does stuff" one more time I'll take the grill pill and become an enlightened centrist who cares little for the political games of humankind and pities those with opinions. I will also ascend to godhood after being cleansed of all my sins through the torture that is this thread. eldritch godhood though, that's the best kind.

Give me some stuff to smoke too, mate!

If I am elected to apotheosis, my first act as Eldritch Horror will be to distribute my mind-altering drugs to the entire populace. stonk for apotheosis 2024!
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Exalted Inquellian State wrote:I mean, I never directly said you were, but having a Rhodesian flag and saying it was almost a paradise between blacks and whites is sus.

That doesn't mean I think whites are better than blacks I just think people naturally want to be with people who are similar to them

This is why so many Americans live in suburbs. It's not racist to acknowledge human nature

White americans live in suburbs because of segregation.
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Postby Stylan » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:00 pm

Grill Pill wrote:
Stylan wrote:Come join us tankies. Authoritarian leftism is the future, comrade.

It seems the only people truly engaging in "praxis" as the lefties call it are anarchist/AntiFa. What are authoritarian leftists doing??

Leftists do not engage in praxis lol, 99 percent of the left are just very online people. The real revolution will be a new brand of communism, probably Paul Cockshott influenced, and with strong democratic elements. I just like expressing my views as a ML online somewhere. The revolution, should it occur, will be a new brand of socialism, one that reconnects us in a semi-spiritual way to our fellow man, and while appreciates Marx, moves beyond both anarchism, Marxism-Leninsm, maoism, and any other former ideologies.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:00 pm

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:if I heard "socialism is when the government does stuff" one more time I'll take the grill pill and become an enlightened centrist who cares little for the political games of humankind and pities those with opinions. I will also ascend to godhood after being cleansed of all my sins through the torture that is this thread. eldritch godhood though, that's the best kind.

Actually, socialists are the evil Chinese-Christian business oligarchs who wants to kill or arrest all the Islamic ulemas, establish a secular state, take over our natural resources, and opress the majority for their and the Chinese Mainland's profit. Source: my country's political discourse. If you think political propaganda in the western world is bad, wait until you see what we're capable of doing.

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Resilient Acceleration wrote:The answer is yes? I'm actually pretty supportive of the jobs law, if only they also don't cut down environmental protections.

Welcome to Capitalism 101. Here you will learn all about making plans for maximising profit within 3 months and giving no fucks about the next 10 years, let alone the next 100.

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