Anti-Socialism Thread

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

People like Stalin should be held responsible for the millions they killed. I don't care if it was due to industrialization, it's not like Stalin cared for human life.


It doesn't mean we should support uber-capitalism, but I object to socialist apologetics for dictators.

Agreed.

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[Rijk van Afrika]

Agreed.

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[Partash]

Agreed.

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Finally, some god damn sensible food in this thread to digest. Coming from your local neighborhood syndicalist, stalin was CRINGE. Not cringe, murderer, that's the word.

[Picairn]

Oh, Vietnam. It's a chinese puppet that will follow it's daddy's footsteps until it is integrated as an "autonomous" region.

Vietnam's history reflects that it was not and is not a Chinese puppet since the beginning.

Vietnam is communist and therefore a failed state, and its GDP per capita reflect this. Still, the Vietnamese people are industrious, well-educated, and hard working and their women are gorgeous in their ao dais.

> Vietnam
> Failed state
Choose one.

[Rijk van Afrika]

Oh, Vietnam. It's a chinese puppet that will follow it's daddy's footsteps until it is integrated as an "autonomous" region.

Vietnam's history reflects that it was not and is not a Chinese puppet since the beginning.

Vietnam is communist and therefore a failed state, and its GDP per capita reflect this. Still, the Vietnamese people are industrious, well-educated, and hard working and their women are gorgeous in their ao dais.

> Vietnam
> Failed state
Choose one.

It would be a failed state if not for the industriousness of its people, and its beautiful women, landscape, and delicious food all definitely help.

I visited once and I think I can say pretty conclusively it could be doing a LOT better

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

I meant more like the country and socialism, but the war is connected and as much as I dislike military intervention, you're right.

Oh, Vietnam. It's a chinese puppet that will follow it's daddy's footsteps until it is integrated as an "autonomous" region.

Not many puppet states around that are in bitter territorial disputes with their puppet masters involving border skirmishes

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

didn't someone already talk about how gdp per capita is a bad measure of success?

[Partash]

Vietnam's history reflects that it was not and is not a Chinese puppet since the beginning.


> Vietnam
> Failed state
Choose one.

It would be a failed state if not for the industriousness of its people, and its beautiful women, landscape, and delicious food all definitely help.

Vietnam has the fastest growing economy in Asia brother. It's not a failed state.

[Rijk van Afrika]

Oh, Vietnam. It's a chinese puppet that will follow it's daddy's footsteps until it is integrated as an "autonomous" region.

Not many puppet states around that are in bitter territorial disputes with their puppet masters involving border skirmishes

Luckily, Vietnam is willing to kow-tow to America so Vietnam is unironically kind of based. Vietnam is a great country in every way but its economic system to be honest

[Picairn]

It would be a failed state if not for the industriousness of its people, and its beautiful women, landscape, and delicious food all definitely help.

I visited once and I think I can say pretty conclusively it could be doing a LOT better

You can say that for pretty much any country.

It can do a lot better, but give it a break, it went through wars with 3 world powers (France, USA, and China) just 3-4 decades ago.

[Rijk van Afrika]

It would be a failed state if not for the industriousness of its people, and its beautiful women, landscape, and delicious food all definitely help.

Vietnam has the fastest growing economy in Asia brother. It's not a failed state.

Would be if it wasn't full of great people. But its government is holding it back. It honestly would be doing better right now if it was under Diem, or under just, France

[Resilient Acceleration]

Vietnam's history reflects that it was not and is not a Chinese puppet since the beginning.


> Vietnam
> Failed state
Choose one.

It would be a failed state if not for the industriousness of its people, and its beautiful women, landscape, and delicious food all definitely help.

I visited once and I think I can say pretty conclusively it could be doing a LOT better

Vietnam has the highest economic growth in Southeast Asia thanks to their very socialist, pro-labor policy of stifling labor rights and suppressing wages in favor of big foreign investors. My country's new jobs law, which seeks to boost the GDP by reducing minumum wage, slashing regulations, and attracting foreign investment, takes a lot of inspiration from Vietnam's policies.

[Rijk van Afrika]

It would be a failed state if not for the industriousness of its people, and its beautiful women, landscape, and delicious food all definitely help.

I visited once and I think I can say pretty conclusively it could be doing a LOT better

Vietnam has the highest economic growth in Southeast Asia thanks to their very socialist, pro-labor policy of stifling labor rights and suppressing wages in favor of big foreign investors. My country's new jobs law, which seeks to boost the GDP by reducing minumum wage, slashing regulations, and attracting foreign investment, takes a lot of inspiration from Vietnam's policies.

So what you're saying is that vietnam is only partially successful because it has abandoned socialism and adopted capitalist policies

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[Picairn]

Would be if it wasn't full of great people. But its government is holding it back. It honestly would be doing better right now if it was under Diem, or under just, France

Diem was a brutal dictator who massacred his own people and France was Vietnam's colonial master.

[Rijk van Afrika]

Would be if it wasn't full of great people. But its government is holding it back. It honestly would be doing better right now if it was under Diem, or under just, France

Diem was a brutal dictator who massacred his own people and France was Vietnam's colonial master.

Handsome Frenchmen > CPV

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Would be if it wasn't full of great people. But its government is holding it back. It honestly would be doing better right now if it was under Diem, or under just, France

Diem was a brutal dictator who massacred his own people and France was Vietnam's colonial master.

He meant Diem "lmao let's put a Catholic fanatic in charge of a majority Buddhist country"? That Diem?

[Resilient Acceleration]

Vietnam has the highest economic growth in Southeast Asia thanks to their very socialist, pro-labor policy of stifling labor rights and suppressing wages in favor of big foreign investors. My country's new jobs law, which seeks to boost the GDP by reducing minumum wage, slashing regulations, and attracting foreign investment, takes a lot of inspiration from Vietnam's policies.

So what you're saying is that vietnam is only partially successful because it has abandoned socialism and adopted capitalist policies

/ thread

The answer is yes? I'm actually pretty supportive of the jobs law, if only they also don't cut down environmental protections.

[An-Tanwir]

Are you sure? The fallout of glasnost, aka the breakup of the Soviet Union against democratic will (yes, they did a referendum), was one of the biggest peacetime drops in quality of life in history.

Also, the source mentioned for socialist countries having better quality of life was based on world bank data from '44 up to '86, and Perestroika began actual liberalization in '87. I'd give you more specific data but thanks to our wonderfully free economic system, everything but the abstract is behind paywall, and I'm really not gonna pay to own somebody on NSG.

The Soviet Union did not have a better way of life than its capitalist counterparts, and nor did the Soviet satellite states. I'm afraid that you are just wrong. But you can keep telling yourself that.

You ought to bring that up with the world bank, I guess they manipulated the data to make moving towards the abolition of money look good. Either that or having universal healthcare, a full employment policy, housing as a human right, free college, and a living minimum wage does more for factors such as life expectancy, infant mortality, education (the things Physical Quality of Life measures) than home computers and graphic tees.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So what you're saying is that vietnam is only partially successful because it has abandoned socialism and adopted capitalist policies

/ thread

The answer is yes? I'm actually pretty supportive of the jobs law, if only they also don't cut down environmental protections.

Welcome to Capitalism 101. Here you will learn all about making plans for maximising profit within 3 months and giving no fucks about the next 10 years, let alone the next 100.

[An-Tanwir]

the list of people in this thread who need to give me the drugs they're on ever grows

Talatorum, Stylan, Orostan, Ra if you think he is, Vassenor imo, me probably, Odreria, the Maoist...

Wait, am I the Maoist?

[Picairn]

Handsome Frenchmen > CPV

Ah, the crisp smell of racism in the morning.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

Talatorum, Stylan, Orostan, Ra if you think he is, Vassenor imo, me probably, Odreria, the Maoist...

Wait, am I the Maoist?

probably, though there was someone named something like socialist chinese states who popped in for a while

[United Chinese Communes]

Handsome Frenchmen > CPV

Ah, the crisp smell of racism in the morning.

That has already been made fairly clear.

Wait, am I the Maoist?

probably, though there was someone named something like socialist chinese states who popped in for a while

Would that be me? My Maoism is pretty heterodox though.

[Resilient Acceleration]

I meant more like the country and socialism, but the war is connected and as much as I dislike military intervention, you're right.

Oh, Vietnam. It's a chinese puppet that will follow it's daddy's footsteps until it is integrated as an "autonomous" region.

Completely wrong. Vietnam is the closest US ally in SEA. https://www.google.com/amp/s/asiatimes. ... en-better/

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

Handsome Frenchmen > CPV

Ah, the crisp smell of racism in the morning.

only beaten by a bit of colonialism before bed.