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Who is your favourite anti-socialist author?

Poll ended at Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:23 am

Milton Friedman
9
15%
Ludwig von Mises
3
5%
Thomas Sowell
6
10%
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
10
16%
Ayn Rand
9
15%
Friedrich Hayek
0
No votes
Irving Kristol
1
2%
Karl Popper
6
10%
Boris Pasternak
6
10%
Other
12
19%
 
Total votes : 62

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Postby Partash » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:18 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Why do I find myself agreeing with what seems to be a white supremacist.

I'm not a white 'supremacist'

Narrator: He was in fact a white supremacist.

No but seriously, using quotation marks around supremacist is giving me the same vibe when people say "i'm not a nazi, I just believe in racial purity" bullshit.
You know, it'd be kinda based if we lived in a geothermal, free love, off the grid commune in Chiapas.

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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:18 pm

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Salus Maior wrote:
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Yeah keep shrugging I just blew you so hard you have no point to make

"i just blew you so hard"??? ayo???
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Postby VlaRiSsiA » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:18 pm

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VlaRiSsiA wrote:So the fact that the Nazis had welfare makes them socialist? Then I guess the German empire was socialist, since guess what.

Monarchism is an existing socialism

I am 100% convinced you are a satire account
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:19 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:I mean, I never directly said you were, but having a Rhodesian flag and saying it was almost a paradise between blacks and whites is sus.

That doesn't mean I think whites are better than blacks I just think people naturally want to be with people who are similar to them

This is why so many Americans live in suburbs. It's not racist to acknowledge human nature

To be fair that's actually a good point.
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Postby Grill Pill » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:19 pm

Picairn wrote:
Grill Pill wrote:Yeah keep shrugging I just blew you so hard you have no point to make

Wut? Your point was so wrong it was really hilarious.

You can find my point around the same place you can find the public option in the Affordable Care Act

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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:19 pm

Grill Pill wrote:
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:Mussolini was a fascist. some socialists being antisemitic doesn't make socialism antisemitic.

Mussolini was in the Socialist Party and once a socialist always a socialist

No, Mussolini was one of the only people who practiced real fascism.

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:20 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Grill Pill wrote:Mussolini was in the Socialist Party and once a socialist always a socialist

No, Mussolini was one of the only people who practiced real fascism.

He was racist to slovenes and africans.
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Postby Grill Pill » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:20 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Grill Pill wrote:Mussolini was in the Socialist Party and once a socialist always a socialist

No, Mussolini was one of the only people who practiced real fascism.

Partially yeah. Allying with Hitler and not the USSR is why he's not a real fascist imo

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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:20 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:I mean, I never directly said you were, but having a Rhodesian flag and saying it was almost a paradise between blacks and whites is sus.

That doesn't mean I think whites are better than blacks I just think people naturally want to be with people who are similar to them

This is why so many Americans live in suburbs. It's not racist to acknowledge human nature

love it when the racists are polite
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Postby Picairn » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:20 pm

Grill Pill wrote:You can find my point around the same place you can find the public option in the Affordable Care Act

So you got blackmailed by a Senator? Interesting.
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Postby Grill Pill » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:21 pm

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:That doesn't mean I think whites are better than blacks I just think people naturally want to be with people who are similar to them

This is why so many Americans live in suburbs. It's not racist to acknowledge human nature

love it when the racists are polite

How can this fellow be racist?

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:21 pm

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:

based Obama always comes to us in our time of need
kind of off-topic, but I don't really get why constitutional monarchist wouldn't prefer a regular republic


Probably because I think that the monarch plays an important cultural role.

I also think that the monarch should have more power in a supposed constitution.

My kind of off-topic question is why keep putting posts in small text for no real reason?
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:21 pm

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:That doesn't mean I think whites are better than blacks I just think people naturally want to be with people who are similar to them

This is why so many Americans live in suburbs. It's not racist to acknowledge human nature

love it when the racists are polite

I don't think you know what the word 'racist' means. I don't have a racist bone in my body. For example, I know plenty of Asians. Good food, exotic women, what's not to like?

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Postby Partash » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:21 pm

Grill Pill wrote:
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:Mussolini was a fascist. some socialists being antisemitic doesn't make socialism antisemitic.

Mussolini was in the Socialist Party and once a socialist always a socialist

Saying your socialist means nothing. When the DPRK says there "democratic", that doesn't mean there democratic.
You know, it'd be kinda based if we lived in a geothermal, free love, off the grid commune in Chiapas.

Hippy scum. Please advise.

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Postby Partash » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:22 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:love it when the racists are polite

I don't think you know what the word 'racist' means. I don't have a racist bone in my body. For example, I know plenty of Asians. Good food, exotic women, what's not to like?

>"i'm not racist, I have a asian friend"
You know, it'd be kinda based if we lived in a geothermal, free love, off the grid commune in Chiapas.

Hippy scum. Please advise.

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Postby Grill Pill » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:22 pm

Picairn wrote:
Grill Pill wrote:You can find my point around the same place you can find the public option in the Affordable Care Act

So you got blackmailed by a Senator? Interesting.

No my point was so great and big and large you wouldn't be able to handle it that's why I can't show it to you. Let's focus on anti-socialism shall we????

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Postby VlaRiSsiA » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:22 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
VlaRiSsiA wrote:Not really. You could say that about factions of Falange, but the Nazis were definitely leaning closer towards the economic right(still economically center, but rightward). They used the state to further economic hierarchy and rejected all forms of equality. They supported corporations and used hacking from many major companies in their rise of power. They harshly suppressed Unions and worker’s rights, targeting trade unionists in their murderous campaigns. They hated socialism and Marxism far more than they hated laissez-faire capitalism. They used welfare because the German Empire was already a welfare state and Hitler was a stanch traditionalist chauvinist(though he rejected the monarchy). And before you mention state control over many parts of industry, you should realize that leftism isn’t when ‘the government does stuff’. Marx didn’t invent the idea of government control of industry, since absolute monarchies existed. If communism is ‘state controlling everything’, then I guess the ideologies Marx viewed worse than capitalism(i.e. feudalism) are communist. Economic left v right isn’t government power, it is how much autonomy the worker has. Economic left believes in workers having more rights while economic right wants the employers to have more rights. If the worker doesn’t have a say in what happens to them, then you just have state capitalism.

Please repost this to Grill Pit, my reply was a joke. I find them centrist at best and centre-right at worst.

Apologize for my misunderstanding lmao. But I doubt a wall of text would be able to convince the satirically bizarre Grill Pill
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tl;dr - after nuclear war, corrupt oligarchical hellhole emerges. ogre leads revolution, kills oligarchs after civil war, improves quality of life with progressive social policies and industrialization. couple foreign invasions, assassination attempts, personal losses, and rebellions later, ogre goes psychotic and kills anyone he’s sus of. then a fascist midget invades and kills third of the population, ogre manages to defeat him but goes completely bonkers.
now we got a hyper-totalitarian hyper-militaristic industrial hive-mind quasi-slave state that the ogre 70 years ago would be horrified at
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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:22 pm

Grill Pill wrote:
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:love it when the racists are polite

How can this fellow be racist?

something somthing Rhodesia something something almost a paradise for whites and blacks something something i'm not a white 'supremacist'
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Postby Picairn » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:23 pm

Grill Pill wrote:
Picairn wrote:So you got blackmailed by a Senator? Interesting.

No my point was so great and big and large you wouldn't be able to handle it that's why I can't show it to you. Let's focus on anti-socialism shall we????

So big and large it was nonexistent, like the public option in Obamacare.
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Postby Partash » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:23 pm

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
Grill Pill wrote:How can this fellow be racist?

something somthing Rhodesia something something almost a paradise for whites and blacks something something i'm not a white 'supremacist'

Didn't Dylnan Roof use Rhodesia in his manifesto, something about white genocide?
You know, it'd be kinda based if we lived in a geothermal, free love, off the grid commune in Chiapas.

Hippy scum. Please advise.

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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:23 pm

Rijk van Afrika wrote:
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:love it when the racists are polite

I don't think you know what the word 'racist' means. I don't have a racist bone in my body. For example, I know plenty of Asians. Good food, exotic women, what's not to like?

you do realize saying asian women are exotic is racist, right? racism doesn't have to be literal slavery.
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:24 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:No, Mussolini was one of the only people who practiced real fascism.

He was racist to slovenes and africans.

Everybody is a little bit racist

Grill Pill wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:No, Mussolini was one of the only people who practiced real fascism.

Partially yeah. Allying with Hitler and not the USSR is why he's not a real fascist imo

In some ways, the USSR was more fascist than Germany.

Partash wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:I don't think you know what the word 'racist' means. I don't have a racist bone in my body. For example, I know plenty of Asians. Good food, exotic women, what's not to like?

>"i'm not racist, I have a asian friend"

I'm just saying, Asians are high IQ and have beautiful women.

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
Grill Pill wrote:How can this fellow be racist?

something somthing Rhodesia something something almost a paradise for whites and blacks something something i'm not a white 'supremacist'

You can deny the facts all you like buddy, but Rhodesia was better than Zimbabwe is now
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:24 pm

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
Grill Pill wrote:How can this fellow be racist?

something somthing Rhodesia something something almost a paradise for whites and blacks something something i'm not a white 'supremacist'

What is the point or topic of this thread? I feel like at this point it's just ideological conflict and vague sparring over whatever whoever's online feels like brawling about, and somehow every time I check it it's grown by five pages
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:24 pm

This is all gonna be futile and irrelevant when we reach the point where Kiruna has 40 C summer temps. And you know who isn't dialling down their consumerism? Certainly not the people building these things.
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:24 pm

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:I don't think you know what the word 'racist' means. I don't have a racist bone in my body. For example, I know plenty of Asians. Good food, exotic women, what's not to like?

you do realize saying asian women are exotic is racist, right? racism doesn't have to be literal slavery.

how? they are, and it's a compliment

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