Anti-Socialism Thread

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

So the fact that the Nazis had welfare makes them socialist? Then I guess the German empire was socialist, since guess what.

Monarchism is an existing socialism

why are you this way? what was in that grill pill?

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Monarchism is an existing socialism

No, monarchism is great

Why do I find myself agreeing with what seems to be a white supremacist.

[Picairn]

Monarchism is an existing socialism

I hope this is just a shitpost, because it's so wrong it's hilarious.

[Salus Maior]

Like?

Rampant antisemitism found in most European leftist groups at the time. Destruction of the church in favor of some other worship order. Maybe read something and u would know sorry

I'm a History major currently studying in college.

All I do is "read something".

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

...miserable hellhole. ...

Don't you worry I've already resigned myself to 45 C's during Mar-Oct in Uppsala by 2050.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Imagine if Tolatorum walks in and sees "monarchism is existing socialism".

[Rijk van Afrika]

Who was a member of a self-described socialist regime

The NSDAP wasn't socialist in any meaningful way.

Yes it was. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 86455.html

[Grill Pill]

Rampant antisemitism found in most European leftist groups at the time. Destruction of the church in favor of some other worship order. Maybe read something and u would know sorry

neither of those, especially the first, are socialist.

Siri, pull up what Marx said about Jews. Siri, what did Stalin do to the Jews. Siri, why were Jews not allowed to emigrate from the USSR to Israel. Siri, what did Bakunins say about Jews. Siri, google Proudhon. Siri, what did Mussolini do to Jews

[Rijk van Afrika]

No, monarchism is great

Why do I find myself agreeing with what seems to be a white supremacist.

I'm not a white 'supremacist'

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

No, monarchism is great

Why do I find myself agreeing with what seems to be a white supremacist.

nsg politics makes for strange bedfellows. jk no one on this site has any bedfellows

[Grill Pill]

Monarchism is an existing socialism

why are you this way? what was in that grill pill?

A fundamental truth that can only be revealed to those worthy to hear it, to those who won't destroy the grill.

[Salus Maior]

Monarchism is an existing socialism

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Why do I find myself agreeing with what seems to be a white supremacist.

I'm not a white 'supremacist'

I mean, I never directly said you were, but having a Rhodesian flag and saying it was almost a paradise between blacks and whites is sus.

[Picairn]

Imagine if Tolatorum walks in and sees "monarchism is existing socialism".

He would go on a rant about the libs destroying history and brainwashing people.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

neither of those, especially the first, are socialist.

Siri, pull up what Marx said about Jews. Siri, what did Stalin do to the Jews. Siri, why were Jews not allowed to emigrate from the USSR to Israel. Siri, what did Bakunins say about Jews. Siri, google Proudhon. Siri, what did Mussolini do to Jews

Mussolini was a fascist. some socialists being antisemitic doesn't make socialism antisemitic.

[Grill Pill]

Monarchism is an existing socialism

Yeah keep shrugging I just blew you so hard you have no point to make

[Grill Pill]

Siri, pull up what Marx said about Jews. Siri, what did Stalin do to the Jews. Siri, why were Jews not allowed to emigrate from the USSR to Israel. Siri, what did Bakunins say about Jews. Siri, google Proudhon. Siri, what did Mussolini do to Jews

Mussolini was a fascist. some socialists being antisemitic doesn't make socialism antisemitic.

Mussolini was in the Socialist Party and once a socialist always a socialist

[Picairn]

Yeah keep shrugging I just blew you so hard you have no point to make

Wut? Your point was so wrong it was really hilarious.

[VlaRiSsiA]

Lmao what

The National Socialist's position of the political compass used to describe political alignment was leaning leftward from the center and to the top.

Not really. You could say that about factions of Falange, but the Nazis were definitely leaning closer towards the economic right(still economically center, but rightward). They used the state to further economic hierarchy and rejected all forms of equality. They supported corporations and used hacking from many major companies in their rise of power. They harshly suppressed Unions and worker’s rights, targeting trade unionists in their murderous campaigns. They hated socialism and Marxism far more than they hated laissez-faire capitalism. They used welfare because the German Empire was already a welfare state and Hitler was a stanch traditionalist chauvinist(though he rejected the monarchy). And before you mention state control over many parts of industry, you should realize that leftism isn’t when ‘the government does stuff’. Marx didn’t invent the idea of government control of industry, since absolute monarchies existed. If communism is ‘state controlling everything’, then I guess the ideologies Marx viewed worse than capitalism(i.e. feudalism) are communist. Economic left v right isn’t government power, it is how much autonomy the worker has. Economic left believes in workers having more rights while economic right wants the employers to have more rights. If the worker doesn’t have a say in what happens to them, then you just have state capitalism.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Mussolini was a fascist. some socialists being antisemitic doesn't make socialism antisemitic.

Mussolini was in the Socialist Party and once a socialist always a socialist

I guess I'm still one then.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

Monarchism is an existing socialism

based Obama always comes to us in our time of need
kind of off-topic, but I don't really get why constitutional monarchist wouldn't prefer a regular republic

[Marsane]

On the contrary, if you support Kissinger, you are supporting the proliferation of liberal democracy at the expense of communists overtaking the world and turning it into a miserable hellhole. Again, this is not an equivalent comparison. Kissinger was not a head of government, and his work reflected a realistic approach to foreign politics. His legacy is complicated, but ultimately positive. Kissinger is also not guilty of half the things you accuse him of, and only an enabler of authoritarian regimes would suggest that he is in any way comparable to Evo or any other socialist crackpot.

Sorry, sweetie!

yeah nah, overthrowing democracy in states with the goal of extending American hegemony is literally the antithesis of democracy. you're literally making the same argument as that guy who was downplaying the gulags in the USSR. it's actually absurd how dishonest you're being in ignoring loss of human life, dictator apologia, and undermining of democracy so long as it serves your goals. endorsing genocide and subverting a democratically elected leader is OF COURSE comparable when you look at the material conditions of the situation and don't play verbal gynmastics.

sure, he's not a head of government but he had considerable influence on the guidance of american foreign policy -- which i dont think i really need to elaborate on the impact of american policy on the rest of the world.

but to be honest he indicts himself well enough with a simple enough one-liner from the man himself: “the illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer.”

also don't try and take my one liner, ew. innovate something new pls.

[Rijk van Afrika]

I'm not a white 'supremacist'

I mean, I never directly said you were, but having a Rhodesian flag and saying it was almost a paradise between blacks and whites is sus.

That doesn't mean I think whites are better than blacks I just think people naturally want to be with people who are similar to them

This is why so many Americans live in suburbs. It's not racist to acknowledge human nature

[Grill Pill]

Mussolini was in the Socialist Party and once a socialist always a socialist

I guess I'm still one then.

Yeah

[Exalted Inquellian State]

The National Socialist's position of the political compass used to describe political alignment was leaning leftward from the center and to the top.

Not really. You could say that about factions of Falange, but the Nazis were definitely leaning closer towards the economic right(still economically center, but rightward). They used the state to further economic hierarchy and rejected all forms of equality. They supported corporations and used hacking from many major companies in their rise of power. They harshly suppressed Unions and worker’s rights, targeting trade unionists in their murderous campaigns. They hated socialism and Marxism far more than they hated laissez-faire capitalism. They used welfare because the German Empire was already a welfare state and Hitler was a stanch traditionalist chauvinist(though he rejected the monarchy). And before you mention state control over many parts of industry, you should realize that leftism isn’t when ‘the government does stuff’. Marx didn’t invent the idea of government control of industry, since absolute monarchies existed. If communism is ‘state controlling everything’, then I guess the ideologies Marx viewed worse than capitalism(i.e. feudalism) are communist. Economic left v right isn’t government power, it is how much autonomy the worker has. Economic left believes in workers having more rights while economic right wants the employers to have more rights. If the worker doesn’t have a say in what happens to them, then you just have state capitalism.

Please repost this to Grill Pit, my reply was a joke. I find them centrist at best and centre-right at worst.