Anti-Socialism Thread

[Washington Resistance Army]

do you even know what a straw man is? Because it's not quoting somebody's post at them.


China Cuba Vietnam Bolivia Yugoslavia Burkina Faso

Yugoslavia is gone

Because of rampant ethnic tensions, not its economic system.

[Kowani]

Evo Morales says "hi"

Evo Morales, the dictator who never was,

You mean democratically elected ex-leader

who presided over an extremely poor country

Who cut the poverty rate in half, raised the medium income, increased GDP by 80%, all while ending the profitable slavery enterprises and preventing inflation?

that is leagues behind Chile and Argentina,the most free-market and wealthiest countries in South America? That guy?

When conservatives can't agree on "free markets"

[Odreria]

Nice try buddy. You said that whether people eat or not is a bad way to measure economic success.

And I didn't say that. I said ... not the best measure of economic success.

I'm getting some mixed messages here

[Rijk van Afrika]

Yugoslavia is gone

Because of rampant ethnic tensions, not its economic system.

So are you advocating for ethnostates

[-Ra-]

China Cuba Vietnam Bolivia Yugoslavia Burkina Faso

China is capitalist with socialist dressing.

Cuba is an oppressive hellhole whose best minds all fled to the US.

Vietnam only fares well because it is propped up by China, and even so has very high food insecurity.

Bolivia is the second poorest nation in South America (just ahead of another socialist paradise, Venezuela)

Yugoslavia doesn't exist, and was never successful when it did.

Burkina Faso has a life expectancy of 61.2

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because of rampant ethnic tensions, not its economic system.

So are you advocating for ethnostates

I'm not a Nazi so no. I'm just showing you why your argument doesn't work.

[Salus Maior]

and the USSR was Socialist.

well
that's up for a lot of debate, but i would firmly argue that no

I really don't think there is.

[Rijk van Afrika]

China Cuba Vietnam Bolivia Yugoslavia Burkina Faso

China is capitalist with socialist dressing.

Cuba is an oppressive hellhole whose best minds all fled to the US.

Vietnam only fares well because it is propped up by China, and even so has very high food insecurity.

Bolivia is the second poorest nation in South America (just ahead of another socialist paradise, Venezuela)

Yugoslavia doesn't exist, and was never successful when it did.

Burkina Faso has a life expectancy of 61.2

^ this

[Washington Resistance Army]

Vietnam only fares well because it is propped up by China, and even so has very high food insecurity.

What the fuck kinda nonsense is this? You're actually just making things up at this point. The history between the PRC and Vietnam has by and large been one of hostility and Vietnam is far closer to the US than the PRC.

[-Ra-]

When conservatives can't agree on "free markets"

Chile has a market freedom rating of 15. Bolivia has one of 175. Which country's people are better off.

Burgeoning dictator Morales did so much for his country that he brought its GDP per capita to a whopping 3,552 USD, or about the same as Djibouti.

[Kowani]

China Cuba Vietnam Bolivia Yugoslavia Burkina Faso

Bolivia is the second poorest nation in South America (just ahead of another socialist paradise, Venezuela)

Objectively false

[Salus Maior]

nOt ReAl CoMmUnIsM!!

It never gets old.

and anyway, Indian capitalism is not the form of government we are trying to emulate.

He didn't say it wasn't "real capitalism".

[-Ra-]

Bolivia is the second poorest nation in South America (just ahead of another socialist paradise, Venezuela)

Objectively false

Objectively true, actually.

[Kowani]

When conservatives can't agree on "free markets"

Chile has a market freedom rating of 15. Bolivia has one of 175. Which country's people are better off.

Burgeoning dictator Morales did so much for his country that he brought its GDP per capita to a whopping 3,552 USD, or about the same as Djibouti.

almost like morales started from a worst place or something and saw a huge reduction in poverty and a huge increase in median incomes
strange how that works

[Odreria]

He didn't say it wasn't "real capitalism".

USA is communist and we're a rich country! If you say it's not communist you are doing the "not real communism" meme and therefore wrong.

[Odreria]

Objectively false

Objectively true, actually.

So you're saying they have less capital but do a better job of eliminating poverty? Socialism must be a good system.

[Kowani]

Objectively false

Objectively true, actually.

...why the fuck would you measure a country's wealth by gdp per capita
that's not...that's not how anyone does it
if you want to look at the citizens' wealth, then look at median income or percentage of the population in poverty
if you want to look at the whole country, use adjusted GDP. You're wrong yet again

[Suriyanakhon]

Because of rampant ethnic tensions, not its economic system.

So are you advocating for ethnostates

... I think just about anyone who studies Yugoslav history knows that ethnic tensions played the leading role in the country collapsing, given the ethnic pogroms and other atrocities. Tito was basically the only person holding the multiethnic country together and after his charismatic authority was gone, there was no salvaging it.

[-Ra-]

Chile has a market freedom rating of 15. Bolivia has one of 175. Which country's people are better off.

Burgeoning dictator Morales did so much for his country that he brought its GDP per capita to a whopping 3,552 USD, or about the same as Djibouti.

almost like morales started from a worst place or something and saw a huge reduction in poverty and a huge increase in median incomes
strange how that works

The man who fashioned himself a 29-storey presidential palace was truly a fighting man for the bourgeoisie. You are right that GDP per capita went up during Morales's rule, but it also did so for Bolivia's neighbours and all of South America really. Compare, for instance, with Chile, or Argentina.

[Salus Maior]

He didn't say it wasn't "real capitalism".

USA is communist and we're a rich country! If you say it's not communist you are doing the "not real communism" meme and therefore wrong.

...What?

[-Ra-]

Objectively true, actually.

...why the fuck would you measure a country's wealth by gdp per capita
that's not...that's not how anyone does it
if you want to look at the citizens' wealth, then look at median income or percentage of the population in poverty
if you want to look at the whole country, use adjusted GDP. You're wrong yet again

Even if you use adjusted GDP per capita, Bolivia is still 2nd only to Venezuela.

Try again.

[-Ra-]

Objectively true, actually.

So you're saying they have less capital but do a better job of eliminating poverty? Socialism must be a good system.

What poverty elimentated? Bolivia is still one of the poorest countries in South America.

[Odreria]

USA is communist and we're a rich country! If you say it's not communist you are doing the "not real communism" meme and therefore wrong.

...What?

Ra and I have been very clear that if someone thinks any country isn't communist, that person is wrong.

[Kexholm Karelia]

almost like morales started from a worst place or something and saw a huge reduction in poverty and a huge increase in median incomes
strange how that works

The man who fashioned himself a 29-storey presidential palace was truly a fighting man for the bourgeoisie. You are right that GDP per capita went up during Morales's rule, but it also did so for Bolivia's neighbours and all of South America really. Compare, for instance, with Chile, or Argentina.

He was also responsible for the destruction of democracy in Bolivia, as most far leftist strongmen are in their countries

[Grill Pill]

...why the fuck would you measure a country's wealth by gdp per capita
that's not...that's not how anyone does it
if you want to look at the citizens' wealth, then look at median income or percentage of the population in poverty
if you want to look at the whole country, use adjusted GDP. You're wrong yet again

Even if you use adjusted GDP per capita, Bolivia is still 2nd only to Venezuela.

Try again.

Venezuela is actually a narco state