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The United States is supposed to be the land of freedom, justice and equality. At least, that is what we are all taught. Reality is far different as the USA is plague by racism, homophobia, class inequality and oppression of minorities. A lot of people defend this horror as patriotism. This is not surprising since America was literally founded by a bunch of old aristocrat who were racist slave owners. And America largely reflect this with its dark history and ongoing oppression of the people.

But today, people are starting to see this. People are demanding change but the reactionaries are defend racism as patriotism because of the constitution and the founding fathers. So my question to you is, would it be good idea to abolish the United States and replace it with a new country. A new country with no dark history, no racist founders, and a constitution that guarantee freedom and equality for all.

I think this is good idea. It can be a America for all people where racism is not patriotic, where there is no dark history and the first president is not a slave owner. It could be an example that can lead to a better world for all, I think.

What are your thought?

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Abolished in favour of what, though?

Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

OP is a bit quiet on that account.

Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

A new nation without dark history and racism. No racist first president and no oppressive constitution.

Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

The Allied States of America.

The Nover Thura wrote:

Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

A new nation without dark history and racism. No racist first president and no oppressive constitution.

Be more specific.

The Nover Thura wrote:

Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

A new nation without dark history and racism. No racist first president and no oppressive constitution.

Name one oppressive thing in the constitution

The Nover Thura wrote:

Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

A new nation without dark history and racism. No racist first president and no oppressive constitution.

While I do agree that the US worship their founding fathers and the Constitution a little too much, since both are fallible and flawed, I'm not sure it is warranted to just yeet the whole lot into the garbage bin.

Empirical Switzerland wrote:

The Nover Thura wrote:
A new nation without dark history and racism. No racist first president and no oppressive constitution.

Name one oppressive thing in the constitution

The racism. It says that black person is only 3/5 human.

It would be a great way to skip out on our debt.

The Nover Thura wrote:

Empirical Switzerland wrote:Name one oppressive thing in the constitution

The racism. It says that black person is only 3/5 human.

We have an amendment for that.

The Nover Thura wrote:

Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

A new nation without dark history and racism. No racist first president and no oppressive constitution.

The People's Republic of America?

Albrenia wrote:

The Nover Thura wrote:A new nation without dark history and racism. No racist first president and no oppressive constitution.

While I do agree that the US worship their founding fathers and the Constitution a little too much, since both are fallible and flawed, I'm not sure it is warranted to just yeet the whole lot into the garbage bin.

Exactly. Violent upheaval and chaos generally causes much suffering and misery.

No. That is a so incredibly naïve question that it shouldn’t even be asked. If you abolish the United States, you’re handing global power to the ultranationalist fascistic regime in Peking and abandoning American allies and dependents elsewhere to the hordes of China, Russia and whoever else will take a bite at humanity’s expense.

As well, your points aren’t worth anything - especially not for the abolishment of the United States. Every country has a darker history, and that will always be the case. You cannot wipe the slate clean, so suck it up, move on, and do what you believe is better than those that came before you. Not only is this naïve and ignorant, this is utterly cowardly [and an insult to the freedoms of humanity and the advancements made by the United States].

The Nover Thura wrote:

Empirical Switzerland wrote:Name one oppressive thing in the constitution

The racism. It says that black person is only 3/5 human.

That was removed lol. Besides, that was a state law, not amendment

So basically, OP is saying to make the same nation again, but take out the 3/5 clause (which got repealed in an amendment) so we can be the same nation, but pretend our history didn’t happen. I feel like this isn’t as stellar of an idea has the OP makes it out to be.

Kathol Rift wrote:So basically, OP is saying to make the same nation again, but take out the 3/5 clause (which got repealed in an amendment) so we can be the same nation, but pretend our history didn’t happen. I feel like this isn’t as stellar of an idea has the OP makes it out to be.

OP hasn't heard of amendments, apparently.

Albrenia wrote:

The Nover Thura wrote:
A new nation without dark history and racism. No racist first president and no oppressive constitution.

While I do agree that the US worship their founding fathers and the Constitution a little too much, since both are fallible and flawed, I'm not sure it is warranted to just yeet the whole lot into the garbage bin.

But what if “Just Yeet It” is my life’s motto?

There's a difference between "abolish" and "reform".

Abolishing a nation to form a new one so there is no dark history seems a little idealistic. Almost all countries have a dark history but have become better nations. The United States can become better too, but maybe it won't, depending on your definition of "better". The nation is flawed, but it has its strengths. Maybe their strengths top their weaknesses, I'll leave that to you guys, though in my opinion the United States shouldn't be reformed.

Anyways, I'm probably not going to post here anymore because arguing online isn't something I have time for at the moment. Good luck.

Empirical Switzerland wrote:

The Nover Thura wrote:
The racism. It says that black person is only 3/5 human.

That was removed lol. Besides, that was a state law, not amendment

But it is in the constitution still and it allow slavery and taxing people.

Hardscrabbel wrote:

Albrenia wrote:
While I do agree that the US worship their founding fathers and the Constitution a little too much, since both are fallible and flawed, I'm not sure it is warranted to just yeet the whole lot into the garbage bin.

But what if “Just Yeet It” is my life’s motto?

A highly respectable motto. Please continue.

The Nover Thura wrote:

Empirical Switzerland wrote:That was removed lol. Besides, that was a state law, not amendment

But it is in the constitution still and it allow slavery and taxing people.

No, it is not in the constitution, and slavery was abolished in the constitution, and is illegal. Besides, every country taxes people.

The Nover Thura wrote:

Empirical Switzerland wrote:That was removed lol. Besides, that was a state law, not amendment

But it is in the constitution still and it allow slavery and taxing people.

Again, the 13th amendment. Also, taxes? You want to get rid of the US because it has taxes? So does every country ever.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

Kathol Rift wrote:So basically, OP is saying to make the same nation again, but take out the 3/5 clause (which got repealed in an amendment) so we can be the same nation, but pretend our history didn’t happen. I feel like this isn’t as stellar of an idea has the OP makes it out to be.

OP hasn't heard of amendments, apparently.

Apparently not

The Nover Thura wrote:

Empirical Switzerland wrote:That was removed lol. Besides, that was a state law, not amendment

But it is in the constitution still and it allow slavery and taxing people.

No, slavery is outlawed under the constitution due to the 13th amendment, and yes, of course it allows taxing people. A country cannot run without taxation.