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The Nover Thura wrote:

Empirical Switzerland wrote:Yes, but you are saying we still have slavery in the constitution.

Yes it is there I am looking at right now.

So by your logic, if a character dies in a novel in chapter 18, the character is still alive because they were alive in chapter 1?

Nope OP. While the US seems quite the mess from the outside, it's influence (for the better or for the worst) has been great on the global history and the reason why we have the ideas of "all men born equal" and democracy as dominant across the planet.
Although adminstratively abolishing the United States and leaving what's left to be turned like a BATTLE ROYALE between who-ever-the-fuck against what-the-heck seems rad to me. Surely there will be some "non-state independent actors" (aka warlords) who would make Rockwell proud running around on that void of power. I mean, i don't know other countries where people in it hunt down racists so bad they make them lose their jobs and get ostracised from the society.

The Nover Thura wrote:

Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

A new nation without dark history and racism. No racist first president and no oppressive constitution.

If your criteria is NOT having a history of bloodshed and racism than I've got some bad news for you about World History.

Amendment 13:
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

The Nover Thura wrote:
Yes it is there I am looking at right now.

So by your logic, if a character dies in a novel in chapter 18, the character is still alive because they were alive in chapter 1?

No I am talking about the constitution and what it say about race and slavery.

Genivaria wrote:

The Nover Thura wrote:
A new nation without dark history and racism. No racist first president and no oppressive constitution.

If your criteria is NOT having a history of bloodshed and racism than I've got some bad news for you about World History.

NTM what he's implying is basically "let's put a one-second gap between the US and some new nation that's functionally the US so we can go 'nuh-uh, that never happened in this nation!'"

The Nover Thura wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Again, the 13th amendment. Also, taxes? You want to get rid of the US because it has taxes? So does every country ever.

Not taxing import of people as slaves.

Slavery isn’t practiced in the US anymore

Empirical Switzerland wrote:Amendment 13:
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

So, being black was the crime?

The Nover Thura wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So by your logic, if a character dies in a novel in chapter 18, the character is still alive because they were alive in chapter 1?

No I am talking about the constitution and what it say about race and slavery.

Again:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Show me whatever the heck you are reading.

Aureumterra III wrote:How do you abolish a country?

Technically by

The Nover Thura wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So by your logic, if a character dies in a novel in chapter 18, the character is still alive because they were alive in chapter 1?

No I am talking about the constitution and what it say about race and slavery.

Yeah, and the constitution killed off slavery in Amendment 13. So, the US has no slavery. Slavery is illegal in the United States.

Empirical Switzerland wrote:

The Nover Thura wrote:
No I am talking about the constitution and what it say about race and slavery.

Again:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Show me whatever the heck you are reading.

So it says that being black is a crime

The Nover Thura wrote:

Empirical Switzerland wrote:Again:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Show me whatever the heck you are reading.

So it says that being black is a crime

The Nover Thura wrote:

Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

A new nation without dark history and racism. No racist first president and no oppressive constitution.

Even with a new name and new Constitution, we'll still have a dark history and an uncertain present. This is silly.

The Nover Thura wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So by your logic, if a character dies in a novel in chapter 18, the character is still alive because they were alive in chapter 1?

No I am talking about the constitution and what it say about race and slavery.

You mean the "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
Thing?

The Nover Thura wrote:

Empirical Switzerland wrote:Amendment 13:
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

So, being black was the crime?

No, it's saying criminals may have to do community service, but no other enforced labour may exist. INCLUDING slavery.

La xinga wrote:Let's abolish Belgium for atrocities in the Congo. And the UK for Boer concentration camps. And Portugal for the Goa Inquisition, France for the 14th of July 1953 demonstration, and the Netherlands for the Rawagede massacre.

All in favor?

I am!

And don’t forget to abolish every North African nation for the slave trade. And Egypt for enslaving the Israelites in the Bible. And every Christian-dominant nation for the crusades and their forced conversions and the nation of Mongolia, and the Nation of China, and Russia, and New Zealand because the Maori killed off the Moriori and don’t even get me started on Japan

The Nover Thura wrote:

Empirical Switzerland wrote:Again:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Show me whatever the heck you are reading.

So it says that being black is a crime

No. It doesn't. Although, prison labor is a major issue in the US.

The Nover Thura wrote:

Empirical Switzerland wrote:Again:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Show me whatever the heck you are reading.

So it says that being black is a crime

I'll grant that there's alot wrong with our Justice and Prison system but I've never heard a take quite this stupid.

Hardscrabbel wrote:

La xinga wrote:Let's abolish Belgium for atrocities in the Congo. And the UK for Boer concentration camps. And Portugal for the Goa Inquisition, France for the 14th of July 1953 demonstration, and the Netherlands for the Rawagede massacre.

All in favor?

I am!

And don’t forget to abolish every North African nation for the slave trade. And Egypt for enslaving the Israelites in the Bible. And every Christian-dominant nation for the crusades and their forced conversions and the nation of Mongolia, and the Nation of China, and Russia, and New Zealand because the Maori killed off the Moriori and don’t even get me started on Japan

Civilization: *dies*

The Nover Thura wrote:

Empirical Switzerland wrote:Again:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Show me whatever the heck you are reading.

So it says that being black is a crime

No, dear God.
It specifically states that the only condition is criminal so as to prevent race-based slavery. In conjunction with the 14th, you can't make race a crime so as to get around that. They thought of that loophole and closed it a long time ago.

Technically by conquering it, but I don't think it's easy, if possible, to conquer the United States.


The only other way to "abolish" a country is to turn it into an anarchy, but I don't think that'll help.

Hardscrabbel wrote:

La xinga wrote:Let's abolish Belgium for atrocities in the Congo. And the UK for Boer concentration camps. And Portugal for the Goa Inquisition, France for the 14th of July 1953 demonstration, and the Netherlands for the Rawagede massacre.

All in favor?

I am!

And don’t forget to abolish every North African nation for the slave trade. And Egypt for enslaving the Israelites in the Bible. And every Christian-dominant nation for the crusades and their forced conversions and the nation of Mongolia, and the Nation of China, and Russia, and New Zealand because the Maori killed off the Moriori and don’t even get me started on Japan

Whatever country that has killed anyone for any reason will be abolished. This is a great plan

/s

Empirical Switzerland wrote:Amendment 13:
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

The Nover Thura wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So by your logic, if a character dies in a novel in chapter 18, the character is still alive because they were alive in chapter 1?

No I am talking about the constitution and what it say about race and slavery.

please read the above post. Slavery is not legal under the constitution, and neither is the counting of African Americans being 3/5 of a person.

Empirical Switzerland wrote:

The Nover Thura wrote:
So, being black was the crime?

No, it's saying criminals may have to do community service, but no other enforced labour may exist. INCLUDING slavery.

So why is there slavery in it? Shouldn't it be removed if it gone now?