Balkanisation of the United States 「Yes or No?」

[The Nover Thura]

But it is in the constitution still and it allow slavery and taxing people.

Again, the 13th amendment. Also, taxes? You want to get rid of the US because it has taxes? So does every country ever.

Not taxing import of people as slaves.

[Empirical Switzerland]

Slavery was abolished.

[Empirical Switzerland]

Again, the 13th amendment. Also, taxes? You want to get rid of the US because it has taxes? So does every country ever.

Not taxing import of people as slaves.

For the final time. slavery was abolished!

[Hardscrabbel]

No. That is a so incredibly naïve question that it shouldn’t even be asked. If you abolish the United States, you’re handing global power to the ultranationalist fascistic regime in Peking and abandoning American allies and dependents elsewhere to the hordes of China, Russia and whoever else will take a bite at humanity’s expense.

As well, your points aren’t worth anything - especially not for the abolishment of the United States. Every country has a darker history, and that will always be the case. You cannot wipe the slate clean, so suck it up, move on, and do what you believe is better than those that came before you. Not only is this naïve and ignorant, this is utterly cowardly [and an insult to the freedoms of humanity and the advancements made by the United States].

It is an awfully naive question to ask, especially considering changing the name of your country doesn’t really remove your dark history. After all it’s not like the Republic of Germany washed away all its dark history of Nazi Germany by changing its name. Or Russia for that matter.

[Apostate]

The United States is supposed to be the land of freedom, justice and equality. At least, that is what we are all taught. Reality is far different as the USA is plague by racism, homophobia, class inequality and oppression of minorities. A lot of people defend this horror as patriotism. This is not surprising since America was literally founded by a bunch of old aristocrat who were racist slave owners. And America largely reflect this with its dark history and ongoing oppression of the people.

But today, people are starting to see this. People are demanding change but the reactionaries are defend racism as patriotism because of the constitution and the founding fathers. So my question to you is, would it be good idea to abolish the United States and replace it with a new country. A new country with no dark history, no racist founders, and a constitution that guarantee freedom and equality for all.

I think this is good idea. It can be a America for all people where racism is not patriotic, where there is no dark history and the first president is not a slave owner. It could be an example that can lead to a better world for all, I think.

What are your thought?

What are my thought? My thought are you are reductive and looking to troll Americans. FYI the original settlers were evicted under religious persecution from Europe, then when money was to be made EUROPEAN powers brought Slavery to the New World.

So talk to the Dutch, Portuguese, British, Spanish and (not really but) The French about all of that historical stuff. Apples and trees. You know. Lets give Manhattan back to the Native Americans, it was stolen for beads and pennies by the Dutch.

The reactionaries are the ones rioting. That is not how we change laws here and I dare say the riots and occupation of cities by anarchists removes focus from important growth around important ideas (like race equality) and forces us to deal with the idiots chucking rocks and setting fires, and making more crime.

[Sanghyeok]

Yes, the United States and all other countries in the world should eventually be abolished. But that's something that has to wait.

[Empirical Switzerland]

Just read the constitution.

[Hardscrabbel]

But what if “Just Yeet It” is my life’s motto?

A highly respectable motto. Please continue.

How about we just yeet all of history into the trash can? We select roughly 100,000 people to be allowed to remain alive, destroy all modern infrastructure and restart the Earth from the beginning.

[Albionist Great Britain]

No. That is a so incredibly naïve question that it shouldn’t even be asked. If you abolish the United States, you’re handing global power to the ultranationalist fascistic regime in Peking and abandoning American allies and dependents elsewhere to the hordes of China, Russia and whoever else will take a bite at humanity’s expense.

As well, your points aren’t worth anything - especially not for the abolishment of the United States. Every country has a darker history, and that will always be the case. You cannot wipe the slate clean, so suck it up, move on, and do what you believe is better than those that came before you. Not only is this naïve and ignorant, this is utterly cowardly [and an insult to the freedoms of humanity and the advancements made by the United States].

It is an awfully naive question to ask, especially considering changing the name of your country doesn’t really remove your dark history. After all it’s not like the Republic of Germany washed away all its dark history of Nazi Germany by changing its name. Or Russia for that matter.

So long there’s an American identity, the very idea of America, so long people live on that land, that history will never go away. If anything, it’ll only make the world worse by handing the global reins to that horrific place China. Feelings aren’t worth dog’s shit when you’re handing power to a genocidal racialist power on the rise.

[Albrenia]

A highly respectable motto. Please continue.

How about we just yeet all of history into the trash can? We select roughly 100,000 people to be allowed to remain alive, destroy all modern infrastructure and restart the Earth from the beginning.

We can call it: The Great Yeet Forward.

[Empirical Switzerland]

Again, the 13th amendment. Also, taxes? You want to get rid of the US because it has taxes? So does every country ever.

Not taxing import of people as slaves.

Do you understand the Constitution?

[Kathol Rift]

Not taxing import of people as slaves.

Do you understand the Constitution?

No, no he doesn’t, and I feel like we all made a mistake in assuming he did when we entered this thread.

[The Nover Thura]

Not taxing import of people as slaves.

Do you understand the Constitution?

Yes I read it. I admit English is not my first language, but understand it well. It says so near beginning of it.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Do you understand the Constitution?

Yes I read it. I admit English is not my first language, but understand it well. It says so near beginning of it.

About that, you should really read till the end.

[Dominioan]

This...literally screws over everyone there. No state could really make it ok it’s own.

[Empirical Switzerland]

Do you understand the Constitution?

Yes I read it. I admit English is not my first language, but understand it well. It says so near beginning of it.

Yes, but you are saying we still have slavery in the constitution.

[Hardscrabbel]

How about we just yeet all of history into the trash can? We select roughly 100,000 people to be allowed to remain alive, destroy all modern infrastructure and restart the Earth from the beginning.

We can call it: The Great Yeet Forward.

Im running for president on the platform of “Just Yeet It”

It’s a solution to all of life’s problems. Racism? Just Yeet It! Taxes? Just Yeet It!

But first I’m going to start a self help book called “My name is Yeet, and so can you!”

[Kiu Ghesik]

Do you understand the Constitution?

Yes I read it. I admit English is not my first language, but understand it well. It says so near beginning of it.

Yeah, in the end they scratched it out.

[Kathol Rift]

Do you understand the Constitution?

Yes I read it. I admit English is not my first language, but understand it well. It says so near beginning of it.

Read the amendments too, specifically the 13th one. Slavery was abolished, the 3/5 clause was repealed, and, as a result, neither slavery nor the 3/5 clause are legal under the constitution.

[The Nover Thura]

Yes I read it. I admit English is not my first language, but understand it well. It says so near beginning of it.

Yes, but you are saying we still have slavery in the constitution.

Yes it is there I am looking at right now.

[Hardscrabbel]

Anyone else feel like this thread was click bait?

[Aureumterra III]

How do you abolish a country?

[Empirical Switzerland]

Yes, but you are saying we still have slavery in the constitution.

Yes it is there I am looking at right now.

Read the 13th amendment. Also, tell me what it says that you are seeing.

[La Xinga]

Let's abolish Belgium for atrocities in the Congo. And the UK for Boer concentration camps. And Portugal for the Goa Inquisition, France for the 14th of July 1953 demonstration, and the Netherlands for the Rawagede massacre.

All in favor?

[Hardscrabbel]

Yes, but you are saying we still have slavery in the constitution.

Yes it is there I am looking at right now.

Which amendment are you looking at right now?