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Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:15 pm**

as with so many things, this depends upon the way in which it is done and what it reverts to.

there are many basic assumptions that seriously need re-examining. including of course, those this proposal itself is based upon.

if it were to be done, return to indiginous authorities would be appropriate.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:24 pm**

I mean, a lot of countries have dark histories, doesn't mean we should abolish it, we should evolve and grow, not start over.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:32 pm**

The Nover Thura wrote:The United States is supposed to be the land of freedom, justice and equality. At least, that is what we are all taught. Reality is far different as the USA is plague by racism, homophobia, class inequality and oppression of minorities. A lot of people defend this horror as patriotism. This is not surprising since America was literally founded by a bunch of old aristocrat who were racist slave owners. And America largely reflect this with its dark history and ongoing oppression of the people.

But today, people are starting to see this. People are demanding change but the reactionaries are defend racism as patriotism because of the constitution and the founding fathers. So my question to you is, would it be good idea to abolish the United States and replace it with a new country. A new country with no dark history, no racist founders, and a constitution that guarantee freedom and equality for all.

I think this is good idea. It can be a America for all people where racism is not patriotic, where there is no dark history and the first president is not a slave owner. It could be an example that can lead to a better world for all, I think.

What are your thought?

I think that this consideration of America as "The land of freedom" is exaggerated and an excuse for the US to gain more support/influence.

It is true that the US isn't the best nation at a social level (plus,I think it is a bad place to live in overall),but at this point,why don't we ban Niger? Why don't we ban Uganda ? Why don't we ban Italy etc.?
There are many nations we could ban at this point,as you can see,so I think the Us yes,should try to become a better place (like many others should),but it isn't so bad to deserve to be banned.

P.S. I like this political threads,hope I can see more.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:44 pm**

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Fuck yeah. Pack it in, we're giving this all back to the Cherokee.

Can we pick a group with an easier language? I suck at tonal structures.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:57 pm**

Neanderthaland wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Fuck yeah. Pack it in, we're giving this all back to the Cherokee.

Can we pick a group with an easier language? I suck at tonal structures.

I think you need to create a new language rather than continuing to butcher the English language, have some pride, have your own American language.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:00 am**

The Nover Thura wrote:The United States is supposed to be the land of freedom, justice and equality. At least, that is what we are all taught. Reality is far different as the USA is plague by racism, homophobia, class inequality and oppression of minorities. A lot of people defend this horror as patriotism. This is not surprising since America was literally founded by a bunch of old aristocrat who were racist slave owners. And America largely reflect this with its dark history and ongoing oppression of the people.

But today, people are starting to see this. People are demanding change but the reactionaries are defend racism as patriotism because of the constitution and the founding fathers. So my question to you is, would it be good idea to abolish the United States and replace it with a new country. A new country with no dark history, no racist founders, and a constitution that guarantee freedom and equality for all.

I think this is good idea. It can be a America for all people where racism is not patriotic, where there is no dark history and the first president is not a slave owner. It could be an example that can lead to a better world for all, I think.

What are your thought?

Almost every country has a dark history so should they be abolished too? Only Sealand would be left standing. Also it's not going to fix the problem since if BLM is anything to go by you'll just replace the old-timey racism with left-wing woke racism rather than making genuine steps towards equality. Indeed if the USA is plagued by anything it's the habit of turning everything into a race issue rather than just getting along as fellow humans.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:11 am**

SD_Film Artists wrote:
The Nover Thura wrote:The United States is supposed to be the land of freedom, justice and equality. At least, that is what we are all taught. Reality is far different as the USA is plague by racism, homophobia, class inequality and oppression of minorities. A lot of people defend this horror as patriotism. This is not surprising since America was literally founded by a bunch of old aristocrat who were racist slave owners. And America largely reflect this with its dark history and ongoing oppression of the people.

But today, people are starting to see this. People are demanding change but the reactionaries are defend racism as patriotism because of the constitution and the founding fathers. So my question to you is, would it be good idea to abolish the United States and replace it with a new country. A new country with no dark history, no racist founders, and a constitution that guarantee freedom and equality for all.

I think this is good idea. It can be a America for all people where racism is not patriotic, where there is no dark history and the first president is not a slave owner. It could be an example that can lead to a better world for all, I think.

What are your thought?

Almost every country has a dark history so should they be abolished too? Only Sealand would be left standing. Also it's not going to fix the problem as if BLM is anything to go by you'll just replace the old-timey racism with left-wing woke racism rather than making genuine steps towards equality.

Sealand was founded by tricking the 'natives' into leaving, then not letting them return.

I suggest the Seychelles. On a small island of Africa, it was founded by Europeans, which sounds bad, except that it was unoccupied at the time. Maybe some pirates were disappointed, but not dispossessed!

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:17 am**

Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

idk, balkanisation probably mainly consisting of native reclamation of the continent

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:16 am**

Could it? Yes. Should it? Probably not, as there doesn't seem to be an argument that is compelling enough to warrant it.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:23 am**

Corestonia wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

idk, balkanisation probably mainly consisting of native reclamation of the continent

The First Nation populations would need to tax people for the fewer kids they have and to have fertility rates completely un-inline with the developed world in order to gain any significant numbers to even comprehend that, and that definitely would never be enough to ever be a majority with some genocide going on. Disregarding the fact it’ll likely lead to inbreeding or further mixing with other ethnicities to the point the actual ethnicities no longer exist. If not the latter then you’re going to need dictatorships and ethnic cleansing to ‘reclaim’ land, and that’s usually no bueno in the developed world.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:35 am**

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Almost every country has a dark history so should they be abolished too? Only Sealand would be left standing. Also it's not going to fix the problem as if BLM is anything to go by you'll just replace the old-timey racism with left-wing woke racism rather than making genuine steps towards equality.

I suggest the Seychelles. On a small island of Africa, it was founded by Europeans, which sounds bad, except that it was unoccupied at the time. Maybe some pirates were disappointed, but not dispossessed!

*reads that in Argentinian* How dare you continue to occupy our land!

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:48 am**

Friend, come back with proposals to split it into Canada 2.0 and a Socialist Confederacy and I may invest in your plan-scheme.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:57 am**

The Nover Thura wrote:The United States is supposed to be the land of freedom, justice and equality. At least, that is what we are all taught. Reality is far different as the USA is plague by racism, homophobia, class inequality and oppression of minorities. A lot of people defend this horror as patriotism. This is not surprising since America was literally founded by a bunch of old aristocrat who were racist slave owners. And America largely reflect this with its dark history and ongoing oppression of the people.

But today, people are starting to see this. People are demanding change but the reactionaries are defend racism as patriotism because of the constitution and the founding fathers. So my question to you is, would it be good idea to abolish the United States and replace it with a new country. A new country with no dark history, no racist founders, and a constitution that guarantee freedom and equality for all.

I think this is good idea. It can be a America for all people where racism is not patriotic, where there is no dark history and the first president is not a slave owner. It could be an example that can lead to a better world for all, I think.

What are your thought?

If you abolish the USA for these reasons, better abolish most countries in the world. Even African countries despite having few whites have a history of racism. For example, Rwanda had a genocide and few whites were involved (I know this would blow many liberals' minds because many liberals think only white people are racist). Slavery existed in Africa before Europeans came. Why don't people talk about forcing African countries to throw away their history. Why not destroy the Pyramids and burn down the Egypt Museum?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa

Starting a 'new nation' to get rid of past evils doesn't guarantee success. Red China tried to start a new country that would be a communist paradise where all people are equal and the rich no longer would trample on the poor. Wealthy people were beaten and their land stolen. For a few years, poor communists could feel like kings and have fun watching their former landlords suffer beatings and hard labor. Now, China has a bigger class divide than some evil capitalist nations like the USA!!!

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:58 am**

Yes. And replaced with the Unified States of America.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:01 am**

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:27 am**

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Corestonia wrote:idk, balkanisation probably mainly consisting of native reclamation of the continent

The First Nation populations would need to tax people for the fewer kids they have and to have fertility rates completely un-inline with the developed world in order to gain any significant numbers to even comprehend that, and that definitely would never be enough to ever be a majority with some genocide going on. Disregarding the fact it’ll likely lead to inbreeding or further mixing with other ethnicities to the point the actual ethnicities no longer exist. If not the latter then you’re going to need dictatorships and ethnic cleansing to ‘reclaim’ land, and that’s usually no bueno in the developed world.

How about a treaty, granting Native Americans freehold title of all the land. They can then charge rent (as specified in the treaty) and order residents off any part of it they choose. But they can't re-lease that land at higher rates, nor claim ownership of any buildings, dams etc there. They need to actually live there, at some specified minimum density.

Apart from Native Americans claiming some particularly valuable land because it has a nice view, I can't see it going too far wrong. Claims wouldn't expand much faster than Native American population, and if there are too many US Americans for the space remaining, a century or two from now, let that be a problem for the future.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:29 am**

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Friend, come back with proposals to split it into Canada 2.0 and a Socialist Confederacy and I may invest in your plan-scheme.

New Canada, New New Mexico, and Florida.

We tried offering Florida to Cuba but they didn't want it.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:35 am**

For all its faults, America at least pretends to be a free nation. This is useful for actually free nations.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:39 am**

Forsher wrote:For all its faults, America at least pretends to be a free nation. This is useful for actually free nations.

Right. We can act like mini-colonialist ratfuckers, and if unfree nations don't like it, we gesture at the States and say "we're with them".

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:44 am**

death to america

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:44 am**

Of course, USA is the rotting corpse of capitalism, racism and religion. Even if noone wants it it will crumble eventually

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:52 am**

Anime Skynet wrote:------------

Not funny, and not welcome under current site rules.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:12 am**

Factoro wrote:Of course, USA is the rotting corpse of capitalism, racism and religion. Even if noone wants it it will crumble eventually

All empires fall. Eventually China and Russia will too.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:12 am**

Albrenia wrote:Abolished in favour of what, though?

British America, Nueva España, Nouvelle France, the Russian Kraj of Alaska, and the Kingdom of Hawai'i.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:31 am**

Sepulcrisur wrote:If you ask me, I think the United States should be divided into separate regions. I don’t mean that each state has to be its own independent country, what I’m saying is that each region should contain around 8 - 10 states. However, the United States doesn’t necessarily need to be abolished just because of its racism and dark past. Nevertheless, I support the idea of the United States being divided.

... do you are have stupid...

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