Balkanisation of the United States 「Yes or No?」

[Hardscrabbel]

This is probably the... 5th time, I have heard of this OP during my relatively short time here. Should the US be abolished? Should the states be separated or united?

I say we divide US' states into mini countries of their own! What do you think about Florida as a country? Or Wyoming? Or New York as a nation-states of its own? Will be wild, I promise!

That would make for a really good Military Action novel. Let’s do it!

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

I know it's 2020, but the last thing we need is for America to suddenly do an overhaul....

Yes, especially since the US Constitution is literally the supreme law of their land. It also helps protect the people from the government via things like the Bill of Rights and has abolished slavery (1865) and granted women's suffrage (1920). What would one replace the Bill of Rights with if America got rid of their entire Constitution?

The Script of the Bee Movie

*Imagines the Supreme Court deciding verdicts based on things like, "WHY IS YOGURT NIGHT SO DIFFICULT!?"*

[Kathol Rift]

Can we all take a moment to notice the fact that OP appears to have stopped posting, and we’re just sitting here repeating why the idea is stupid when the creator of said idea isn’t defending it anymore? Why are we still here?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

This is probably the... 5th time, I have heard of this OP during my relatively short time here. Should the US be abolished? Should the states be separated or united?

I say we divide US' states into mini countries of their own! What do you think about Florida as a country? Or Wyoming? Or New York as a nation-states of its own? Will be wild, I promise!

Make the states into islands. By digging deep moats between them (using nuclear detonations) and allowing those to fill with sea-water. Illegal immigration won't be much of a problem, due to radioactive alligators.

[Zordila]

I've created a style of posting which allows me to express an opinion without a response which can start an argument. I'll be using this strategy again on the next topic I post on.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Can we all take a moment to notice the fact that OP appears to have stopped posting, and we’re just sitting here repeating why the idea is stupid when the creator of said idea isn’t defending it at the moment? Why are we still here?

The thread has not been locked yet.

[Theberstan]

Bigotry and homophobia isn’t what’s tearing the US apart... it’s basic media misinformation and radical political parties. Honestly I wish the US was more then a 2 party system. Make room for other parties for God’s sake. And when I say radical I mean both sides, but far left more then ever. In my opinion politics is like a pendulum. We’re going to swing back the moderate then conservative then probably alt-right.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Can we all take a moment to notice the fact that OP appears to have stopped posting, and we’re just sitting here repeating why the idea is stupid when the creator of said idea isn’t defending it anymore? Why are we still here?

I know why I'm still here. Enjoying it. Why you're still here I have no idea.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Can we all take a moment to notice the fact that OP appears to have stopped posting, and we’re just sitting here repeating why the idea is stupid when the creator of said idea isn’t defending it anymore? Why are we still here?

To be fair, he might've run off after facing more criticism than he could handle. It happens.

[Kiu Ghesik]

This is probably the... 5th time, I have heard of this OP during my relatively short time here. Should the US be abolished? Should the states be separated or united?

I say we divide US' states into mini countries of their own! What do you think about Florida as a country? Or Wyoming? Or New York as a nation-states of its own? Will be wild, I promise!

I'm all for it. I love those scenarios.
THE RESURGENT GREAT TEXAN EMPIRE WILL STRIKE THE LAST BLOW AT THE GODLESS NEW MEXICAN REDS! DOWN WITH THE TRAITOR, UP WITH THE STARS!

Yes, especially since the US Constitution is literally the supreme law of their land. It also helps protect the people from the government via things like the Bill of Rights and has abolished slavery (1865) and granted women's suffrage (1920). What would one replace the Bill of Rights with if America got rid of their entire Constitution?

The Script of the Bee Movie

I actually agree with this.

Can we all take a moment to notice the fact that OP appears to have stopped posting, and we’re just sitting here repeating why the idea is stupid when the creator of said idea isn’t defending it at the moment? Why are we still here?

Uh... I dunno, go home, all ye time-wasters! Be productive, ye fools, all of ye!

[Saiyan Galactic Empire]

Bigotry and homophobia isn’t what’s tearing the US apart... it’s basic media misinformation and radical political parties. Honestly I wish the US was more then a 2 party system. Make room for other parties for God’s sake. And when I say radical I mean both sides, but far left more then ever. In my opinion politics is like a pendulum. We’re going to swing back the moderate then conservative then probably alt-right.

It's funny because the US is one of the most tolerant nations in the world. If someone is gonna cry about bigotry and racism they should do it in Riyadh or Pakistan not here in the USA where we were one if the first countries to legalize gay marriage and we don't treat immigrants like foreigners.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Yes, especially since the US Constitution is literally the supreme law of their land. It also helps protect the people from the government via things like the Bill of Rights and has abolished slavery (1865) and granted women's suffrage (1920). What would one replace the Bill of Rights with if America got rid of their entire Constitution?

The Script of the Bee Movie

Go to gulag.

[Kathol Rift]

Can we all take a moment to notice the fact that OP appears to have stopped posting, and we’re just sitting here repeating why the idea is stupid when the creator of said idea isn’t defending it at the moment? Why are we still here?

The thread has not been locked yet.

I guess that’s enough reason to stay in it.

Can we all take a moment to notice the fact that OP appears to have stopped posting, and we’re just sitting here repeating why the idea is stupid when the creator of said idea isn’t defending it anymore? Why are we still here?

I know why I'm still here. Enjoying it. Why you're still here I have no idea.

An excellent point. Why am I here? Carry on enjoying yourself while I’m pondering this.

Can we all take a moment to notice the fact that OP appears to have stopped posting, and we’re just sitting here repeating why the idea is stupid when the creator of said idea isn’t defending it anymore? Why are we still here?

To be fair, he might've run off after facing more criticism than he could handle. It happens.

Another excellent point, and probably the most probable explanation for the absence of the OP.

[New haven america]

The Script of the Bee Movie

Go to gulag.

do they have Б movie at gulag?

[Zordila]

Yep. This is what will happen in a democratic system no matter what though, and I don't think corruption is avoidable.

I think the ridiculous amount of money in elections is a problem, maybe corruption is unavoidable but it can be alleviated. There are studies that show Congress votes according to its donators not its voters. Congress people can spend up to a third of their time soliciting donations over actually working to solve problems.

Take the money out of elections with a new Constitution and a renewal of the nation that formally rejects the genocide and slavery of its original founding.

And how do we do that, without transparency or good law enforcement?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Go to gulag.

do they have Б movie at gulag?

Go to gulag.

[Bombadil]

Bigotry and homophobia isn’t what’s tearing the US apart... it’s basic media misinformation and radical political parties. Honestly I wish the US was more then a 2 party system. Make room for other parties for God’s sake. And when I say radical I mean both sides, but far left more then ever. In my opinion politics is like a pendulum. We’re going to swing back the moderate then conservative then probably alt-right.

It's funny because the US is one of the most tolerant nations in the world. If someone is gonna cry about bigotry and racism they should do it in Riyadh or Pakistan not here in the USA where we were one if the first countries to legalize gay marriage and we don't treat immigrants like foreigners.

This is not untrue, but that doesn't mean it can't be improved. As Reagan noted, America is one of the few places you can come to and be called American. You can't go to, say, China and be called Chinese. American is an idea not an ethnicity.

Still, it has a dark past that continues to have consequence, to formally acknowledge it, reject it and set out a new path is no bad thing, renewal and rebirth is part of ecology.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Wanna toss my hat in the ring, even for a single post.

The OP says that the US does not support "guarantee freedom and equality for all," and that a new nation should be formed that does. I would argue, however, that the US is doing that, as in guaranteeing freedom and equality for all.

The truth of the matter is that guaranteeing freedom and equality for everybody doesn't just mean freedom and equality for minority races or people with good opinions, but also those with bad opinions. Antifa, Neo-Nazis, the KKK, all of them exist in the US because it guarantees the rights and freedoms of its population to express themselves freely and disagree with the opinions of others. Now, I completely acknowledge that these organisations are vile and violent and that the acts of violence and vandalism these organisations commit are illegal, but the simple right for these people to express and espouse these ideas is protected under the Constitution.

Now you might say "These people are terrible, so we should repress them and get rid of them," I agree with the former, but not so much with the latter. See, if a government has the right to repress the rights of a single sect of the population, even if that sect is full of terrible people....what's to stop the government from oppressing the rest of the population? From taking away their rights? From becoming a totalitarian regime? The second that the government is given the legal right to illegalise and actively repress the activities or ideas of a group (no matter how terrible they are), then they have the legal justification to illegalise and repress any people or ideas that they don't like.

And then what happens to those "guaranteed freedoms and equality?" POOF, gone.

The cons of complete guaranteed freedom and equality for all are that it doesn't just guarantee the rights of those who deserve them, but also those of really hateful and terrible people. But it's that or giving the government the ability to repress EVERYONE.

[Empirical Switzerland]

It's funny because the US is one of the most tolerant nations in the world. If someone is gonna cry about bigotry and racism they should do it in Riyadh or Pakistan not here in the USA where we were one if the first countries to legalize gay marriage and we don't treat immigrants like foreigners.

This is not untrue, but that doesn't mean it can't be improved. As Reagan noted, America is one of the few places you can come to and be called American. You can't go to, say, China and be called Chinese. American is an idea not an ethnicity.

Still, it has a dark past that continues to have consequence, to formally acknowledge it, reject it and set out a new path is no bad thing, renewal and rebirth is part of ecology.

Good points.

[Resilient Acceleration]

Yep. This is what will happen in a democratic system no matter what though, and I don't think corruption is avoidable.

I think the ridiculous amount of money in elections is a problem, maybe corruption is unavoidable but it can be alleviated. There are studies that show Congress votes according to its donators not its voters. Congress people can spend up to a third of their time soliciting donations over actually working to solve problems.

Take the money out of elections with a new Constitution and a renewal of the nation that formally rejects the genocide and slavery of its original founding.

Democracy Dollars FTW?

[Bombadil]

I think the ridiculous amount of money in elections is a problem, maybe corruption is unavoidable but it can be alleviated. There are studies that show Congress votes according to its donators not its voters. Congress people can spend up to a third of their time soliciting donations over actually working to solve problems.

Take the money out of elections with a new Constitution and a renewal of the nation that formally rejects the genocide and slavery of its original founding.

And how do we do that, without transparency or good law enforcement?

Well quite.. take a read of this - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... a-platform

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Wanna toss my hat in the ring, even for a single post.

The OP says that the US does not support "guarantee freedom and equality for all," and that a new nation should be formed that does. I would argue, however, that the US is doing that, as in guaranteeing freedom and equality for all.

The truth of the matter is that guaranteeing freedom and equality for everybody doesn't just mean freedom and equality for minority races or people with good opinions, but also those with bad opinions. Antifa, Neo-Nazis, the KKK, all of them exist in the US because it guarantees the rights and freedoms of its population to express themselves freely and disagree with the opinions of others. Now, I completely acknowledge that these organisations are vile and violent and that the acts of violence and vandalism these organisations commit are illegal, but the simple right for these people to express and espouse these ideas is protected under the Constitution.

Now you might say "These people are terrible, so we should repress them and get rid of them," I agree with the former, but not so much with the latter. See, if a government has the right to repress the rights of a single sect of the population, even if that sect is full of terrible people....what's to stop the government from oppressing the rest of the population? From taking away their rights? From becoming a totalitarian regime? The second that the government is given the legal right to illegalise and actively repress the activities or ideas of a group (no matter how terrible they are), then they have the legal justification to illegalise and repress any people or ideas that they don't like.

And then what happens to those "guaranteed freedoms and equality?" POOF, gone.

The cons of complete guaranteed freedom and equality for all are that it doesn't just guarantee the rights of those who deserve them, but also those of really hateful and terrible people. But it's that or giving the government the ability to repress EVERYONE.

[Zordila]

And how do we do that, without transparency or good law enforcement?

Well quite.. take a read of this - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... a-platform

Honestly, I didn't think of that. My IQ is probably lower than 100.

[New haven america]

do they have Б movie at gulag?

Go to gulag.

before i go, did you know that according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly?

[The Two Jerseys]

I wish I had a time machine so that I could go back and prevent this thread from giving me brain cancer.