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by New haven america » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:10 pm
by Saiyan Galactic Empire » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:10 pm
The Nover Thura wrote:The United States is supposed to be the land of freedom, justice and equality. At least, that is what we are all taught. Reality is far different as the USA is plague by racism, homophobia, class inequality and oppression of minorities. A lot of people defend this horror as patriotism. This is not surprising since America was literally founded by a bunch of old aristocrat who were racist slave owners. And America largely reflect this with its dark history and ongoing oppression of the people.
But today, people are starting to see this. People are demanding change but the reactionaries are defend racism as patriotism because of the constitution and the founding fathers. So my question to you is, would it be good idea to abolish the United States and replace it with a new country. A new country with no dark history, no racist founders, and a constitution that guarantee freedom and equality for all.
I think this is good idea. It can be a America for all people where racism is not patriotic, where there is no dark history and the first president is not a slave owner. It could be an example that can lead to a better world for all, I think.
What are your thought?
by Zordila » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:10 pm
The Nover Thura wrote:Kiu Ghesik wrote:It is removed. The lines were preserved for posterity, the amendments supersede the text in the Constitution's function.
Okay. But what about the founding fathers. They were racist and owned slaves. They did horrible things and people worship them. Would it be better is if America was made new with founders that are not racist?
by Genivaria » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:10 pm
Kiu Ghesik wrote:The Nover Thura wrote:
Okay. But what about the founding fathers. They were racist and owned slaves. They did horrible things and people worship them. Would it be better is if America was made new with founders that are not racist?
It wouldn't functionally change anything. Besides, every leader from Abraham to the Prophet Mohammed to Charlemagne to the Qing Emperor had slaves. The Founding Fathers' other accomplishments far outweigh being racist and owning slaves when literally every upper-class white dude and their mother did those things in their time.
Not to mention, not all of them owned slaves. Some of them just traded slaves. And a good number had no connection to the trade at all.
by Dominioan » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:10 pm
Bombadil wrote:I don't necessarily see it as a bad idea, call it the Great Renewal Project, whereby the history of the founding, the wiping out of first natives, the slavery, the inequality, is symbolically renounced and a new Constitution, not greatly different, is created and set as the new foundation of a new America.
I don't particularly see it as necessary but I also don't see it as a bad idea.
by The Nover Thura » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:11 pm
Hardscrabbel wrote:The Nover Thura wrote:
Okay. But what about the founding fathers. They were racist and owned slaves. They did horrible things and people worship them. Would it be better is if America was made new with founders that are not racist?
Ok... so let’s pretend that everything before Abraham Lincoln was considered “The Old United States of America” and after the Civil war when the union won our official new country was recreated as “The United States of ‘Merica” with Abraham Lincoln as our founding father
by Empirical Switzerland » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:11 pm
The Nover Thura wrote:Hardscrabbel wrote:
Ok... so let’s pretend that everything before Abraham Lincoln was considered “The Old United States of America” and after the Civil war when the union won our official new country was recreated as “The United States of ‘Merica” with Abraham Lincoln as our founding father
He was racist
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by Greater Victora » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:12 pm
by Northwest Kalactin » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:12 pm
The Nover Thura wrote:Hardscrabbel wrote:
Ok... so let’s pretend that everything before Abraham Lincoln was considered “The Old United States of America” and after the Civil war when the union won our official new country was recreated as “The United States of ‘Merica” with Abraham Lincoln as our founding father
He was racist
by Theberstan » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:12 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:12 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:13 pm
by Greater Victora » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:13 pm
by Hardscrabbel » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:13 pm
The Nover Thura wrote:Hardscrabbel wrote:
Ok... so let’s pretend that everything before Abraham Lincoln was considered “The Old United States of America” and after the Civil war when the union won our official new country was recreated as “The United States of ‘Merica” with Abraham Lincoln as our founding father
He was racist
by VlaRiSsiA » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:13 pm
tl;dr - after nuclear war, corrupt oligarchical hellhole emerges. ogre leads revolution, kills oligarchs after civil war, improves quality of life with progressive social policies and industrialization. couple foreign invasions, assassination attempts, personal losses, and rebellions later, ogre goes psychotic and kills anyone he’s sus of. then a fascist midget invades and kills third of the population, ogre manages to defeat him but goes completely bonkers.
now we got a hyper-totalitarian hyper-militaristic industrial hive-mind quasi-slave state that the ogre 70 years ago would be horrified at
by Zordila » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:14 pm
The Nover Thura wrote:Hardscrabbel wrote:
Ok... so let’s pretend that everything before Abraham Lincoln was considered “The Old United States of America” and after the Civil war when the union won our official new country was recreated as “The United States of ‘Merica” with Abraham Lincoln as our founding father
He was racist
by Bombadil » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:14 pm
Dominioan wrote:Bombadil wrote:I don't necessarily see it as a bad idea, call it the Great Renewal Project, whereby the history of the founding, the wiping out of first natives, the slavery, the inequality, is symbolically renounced and a new Constitution, not greatly different, is created and set as the new foundation of a new America.
I don't particularly see it as necessary but I also don't see it as a bad idea.
I could see it as a way for America trying to hide its history again.
by Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:15 pm
by Saiyan Galactic Empire » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:15 pm
Theberstan wrote:No offense to any of you, but this is what makes NS so radically left. And frankly it’s sickening this thread even exists. I honestly don’t even see why this thread hasn’t been taken down for flaming. I wish you all a lovely rest of your evening and bid you good day.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:16 pm
by Northwest Kalactin » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:16 pm
by Theberstan » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:17 pm
The Nover Thura wrote:The United States is supposed to be the land of freedom, justice and equality. At least, that is what we are all taught. Reality is far different as the USA is plague by racism, homophobia, class inequality and oppression of minorities. A lot of people defend this horror as patriotism. This is not surprising since America was literally founded by a bunch of old aristocrat who were racist slave owners. And America largely reflect this with its dark history and ongoing oppression of the people.
But today, people are starting to see this. People are demanding change but the reactionaries are defend racism as patriotism because of the constitution and the founding fathers. So my question to you is, would it be good idea to abolish the United States and replace it with a new country. A new country with no dark history, no racist founders, and a constitution that guarantee freedom and equality for all.
I think this is good idea. It can be a America for all people where racism is not patriotic, where there is no dark history and the first president is not a slave owner. It could be an example that can lead to a better world for all, I think.
What are your thought?
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