New Arizona Immigration Law Poll

[Gravlen]

Every U.S. Citizen is responsible for assisting in apprehending them and deporting them to their Nation's Jurisdiction. They are not U.S. Citizens and they are not under U.S. Jurisdiction.

You're wrong about this one. Foreign nationals are under US jurisdiction while in the US. That's the main rule.

[Gravlen]

If the immigration laws weren't such a mess than fewer people would feel it was necessary to risk breaking the laws.

Can you back up that assertion?

I admit that no, I cannot.

It's just that I don't think it'll be enough to simply make immigration laws "less messy". Even if they're clear and straightforward, people will still come illegally as long as there's any form of restrictions on immigration.

[Tekania]

If the immigration laws weren't such a mess than fewer people would feel it was necessary to risk breaking the laws.

Can you back up that assertion?

I admit that no, I cannot.

It's just that I don't think it'll be enough to simply make immigration laws "less messy". Even if they're clear and straightforward, people will still come illegally as long as there's any form of restrictions on immigration.

One could remove immigration restrictions...

[Gravlen]

If the immigration laws weren't such a mess than fewer people would feel it was necessary to risk breaking the laws.

Can you back up that assertion?

I admit that no, I cannot.

It's just that I don't think it'll be enough to simply make immigration laws "less messy". Even if they're clear and straightforward, people will still come illegally as long as there's any form of restrictions on immigration.

One could remove immigration restrictions...

Yes, that would be an option.

I'm not in favour of that though.

(I would be very interested to see any western first-world country besides my own doing that though. It would be an interesting experiment...)

[DaWoad]

If the immigration laws weren't such a mess than fewer people would feel it was necessary to risk breaking the laws.

Can you back up that assertion?

I admit that no, I cannot.

It's just that I don't think it'll be enough to simply make immigration laws "less messy". Even if they're clear and straightforward, people will still come illegally as long as there's any form of restrictions on immigration.

One could remove immigration restrictions...

Yes, that would be an option.

I'm not in favour of that though.

(I would be very interested to see any western first-world country besides my own doing that though. It would be an interesting experiment...)

I suspect the consequences might be . . .unpleasant. For one thing every fleeing fugitive and his brother would dash straight for that country.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

I suspect the consequences might be . . .unpleasant. For one thing every fleeing fugitive and his brother would dash straight for that country.

Generally when people talk about removing restrictions on immigration, they mean letting workers into the country, not criminals.

[Gravlen]

If the immigration laws weren't such a mess than fewer people would feel it was necessary to risk breaking the laws.

Can you back up that assertion?

I admit that no, I cannot.

It's just that I don't think it'll be enough to simply make immigration laws "less messy". Even if they're clear and straightforward, people will still come illegally as long as there's any form of restrictions on immigration.

One could remove immigration restrictions...

Yes, that would be an option.

I'm not in favour of that though.

(I would be very interested to see any western first-world country besides my own doing that though. It would be an interesting experiment...)

I suspect the consequences might be . . .unpleasant. For one thing every fleeing fugitive and his brother would dash straight for that country.

I'm curious if other western countries would reallocate resources from their own migration systems to purchase transportation to that country for any migrants who would find themselves at their borders...

[Gravlen]

I suspect the consequences might be . . .unpleasant. For one thing every fleeing fugitive and his brother would dash straight for that country.

Generally when people talk about removing restrictions on immigration, they mean letting workers into the country, not criminals.

You have to decide if you want restrictions on immigration or not.

Will they have to apply to get in? Then you need a system for dealing with the aplications.
Can they be turned down? Then you have restrictions.
Can they be turned away at the border? Well then you risk getting illegal immigrants who sneak across anyway.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

I suspect the consequences might be . . .unpleasant. For one thing every fleeing fugitive and his brother would dash straight for that country.

Generally when people talk about removing restrictions on immigration, they mean letting workers into the country, not criminals.

You have to decide if you want restrictions on immigration or not.

Will they have to apply to get in? Then you need a system for dealing with the aplications.

We already have one.

Can they be turned down? Then you have restrictions.
Can they be turned away at the border? Well then you risk getting illegal immigrants who sneak across anyway.

But if you let in all the immigrants who aren't criminals and just want to work, then the amount of people crossing the border illegally will literally be less than 1% of what it is now. It would be much, much easier to defend our borders and keep actual criminals out.

[Sacrifist]

I love how the right is calling Obama a marxist, communist, and everything else they can think of. Yet some of them are supporting this act which is very reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

I agree something needs to be done, but this isn't the way to go. We are getting one step closer to history repeating itself with this bill.

[Gravlen]

I suspect the consequences might be . . .unpleasant. For one thing every fleeing fugitive and his brother would dash straight for that country.

Generally when people talk about removing restrictions on immigration, they mean letting workers into the country, not criminals.

You have to decide if you want restrictions on immigration or not.

Will they have to apply to get in? Then you need a system for dealing with the aplications.

We already have one.

Can they be turned down? Then you have restrictions.
Can they be turned away at the border? Well then you risk getting illegal immigrants who sneak across anyway.

But if you let in all the immigrants who aren't criminals and just want to work, then the amount of people crossing the border illegally will literally be less than 1% of what it is now. It would be much, much easier to defend our borders and keep actual criminals out.

And what about those who don't want to work, but for different reasons want to live there? This also includes people who want to commit crimes but haven't as of yet, or isn't wanted in other jurisdiction. Like suspected terrorists.

Also, what about those who just want (free) education or (free) healthcare?

Also, do you think there are any limits as to how many immigrants the country can handle?

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

And what about those who don't want to work, but for different reasons want to live there? This also includes people who want to commit crimes but haven't as of yet,

Unless you can read their minds and tell who WANTS to commit a crime, this is an argument against people, not an argument against immigrants.

or isn't wanted in other jurisdiction. Like suspected terrorists.

Don't let them in.

Also, what about those who just want (free) education or (free) healthcare?

I actually believe in free education and free health care.

Also, do you think there are any limits as to how many immigrants the country can handle?

We're not anywhere even remotely close to that number. Really, the vast majority of people who come here, really do want to work.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

And what about those who don't want to work, but for different reasons want to live there? This also includes people who want to commit crimes but haven't as of yet,

Unless you can read their minds and tell who WANTS to commit a crime, this is an argument against people, not an argument against immigration.

You havn't been keeping up with the political winds. All latino people in the US are illegal immigrants who have come here to steal our jobs and sit around, do nothing but mooch off the social programs that thrive in right-wing tight-ass states, and murder hapless and innocent white folk for drugs (because the drop rate on marijuana from a white person is 73.5%)

[Gravlen]

And what about those who don't want to work, but for different reasons want to live there? This also includes people who want to commit crimes but haven't as of yet,

Unless you can read their minds and tell who WANTS to commit a crime, this is an argument against people, not an argument against immigrants.

Not really. It's being done every day already.

or isn't wanted in other jurisdiction. Like suspected terrorists.

Don't let them in.

But they want to work.

But I guess you do want restrictions on immigration after all...

Also, what about those who just want (free) education or (free) healthcare?

I actually believe in free education and free health care.

So I can send my children there to get a free education? You'll pay for it? Nice!

Also, do you think there are any limits as to how many immigrants the country can handle?

We're not anywhere even remotely close to that number. Really, the vast majority of people who come here, really do want to work.

So 2-3 million extra each year is fine... What about 5-6 million extra?

[Vikenia]

70% of Arizona voters support the bill? That should add up to about 1.5 northern voters LOL. Any body that enacts legislation to victimize people who look or sound foreign cannot claim to have freedom or equal rights. All Arizona has done is remove civil rights for many of its inhabitants, which is why it is being prosecuted by the Federal Government. Taking away the rights of many to protect against a smaller number of illegal immigrants is a right-wing knee-jerk reaction that will not work and merely alienates people even further.

[Vikenia]

All latino people in the US are illegal immigrants who have come here to steal our jobs and sit around, do nothing but mooch off the social programs that thrive in right-wing tight-ass states, and murder hapless and innocent white folk for drugs (because the drop rate on marijuana from a white person is 73.5%)

Did you read this garbage before you posted it? What a load of crap. If you want to look at illegal immigrants then face the fact that every non-Native American is an immigrant and illegally too. Ye gods man ..... there are thousands of legal Latino immigrants in the United States. Where do you get this drivel from?

[Vikenia]

I love how the right is calling Obama a marxist, communist, and everything else they can think of. Yet some of them are supporting this act which is very reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

I agree something needs to be done, but this isn't the way to go. We are getting one step closer to history repeating itself with this bill.

AMEN!

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

And what about those who don't want to work, but for different reasons want to live there? This also includes people who want to commit crimes but haven't as of yet,

Unless you can read their minds and tell who WANTS to commit a crime, this is an argument against people, not an argument against immigrants.

Not really. It's being done every day already.

uh huh.

or isn't wanted in other jurisdiction. Like suspected terrorists.

Don't let them in.

But they want to work.

But I guess you do want restrictions on immigration after all...

Correct.

Also, what about those who just want (free) education or (free) healthcare?

I actually believe in free education and free health care.

So I can send my children there to get a free education? You'll pay for it? Nice!

Pretty much.

Also, do you think there are any limits as to how many immigrants the country can handle?

We're not anywhere even remotely close to that number. Really, the vast majority of people who come here, really do want to work.

So 2-3 million extra each year is fine... What about 5-6 million extra?

Sounds good to me.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

All latino people in the US are illegal immigrants who have come here to steal our jobs and sit around, do nothing but mooch off the social programs that thrive in right-wing tight-ass states, and murder hapless and innocent white folk for drugs (because the drop rate on marijuana from a white person is 73.5%)

Did you read this garbage before you posted it? What a load of crap. If you want to look at illegal immigrants then face the fact that every non-Native American is an immigrant and illegally too. Ye gods man ..... there are thousands of legal Latino immigrants in the United States. Where do you get this drivel from?

If including a video game item percentile drop rate doesn't indicate it's satire, I guess nothing will but proper [satire][/satire] tags.

[Dyakovo]

All latino people in the US are illegal immigrants who have come here to steal our jobs and sit around, do nothing but mooch off the social programs that thrive in right-wing tight-ass states, and murder hapless and innocent white folk for drugs (because the drop rate on marijuana from a white person is 73.5%)

Did you read this garbage before you posted it? What a load of crap. If you want to look at illegal immigrants then face the fact that every non-Native American is an immigrant and illegally too. Ye gods man ..... there are thousands of legal Latino immigrants in the United States. Where do you get this drivel from?

If including a video game item percentile drop rate doesn't indicate it's satire, I guess nothing will but proper [satire][/satire] tags.

The problem is that there are actually people who think like that... As demonstrated by this law and its overwhelming support...

[MisanthropicPopulism]

All latino people in the US are illegal immigrants who have come here to steal our jobs and sit around, do nothing but mooch off the social programs that thrive in right-wing tight-ass states, and murder hapless and innocent white folk for drugs (because the drop rate on marijuana from a white person is 73.5%)

Did you read this garbage before you posted it? What a load of crap. If you want to look at illegal immigrants then face the fact that every non-Native American is an immigrant and illegally too. Ye gods man ..... there are thousands of legal Latino immigrants in the United States. Where do you get this drivel from?

If including a video game item percentile drop rate doesn't indicate it's satire, I guess nothing will but proper [satire][/satire] tags.

The problem is that there are actually people who think like that... As demonstrated by this law and its overwhelming support...

He can't identify satire and you don't seem to know it's definition.

[Quattrablegia]

Democracy = majority rules, and that being the be-all and end-all of discussion, is a first-grade understanding of democracy.

[Dyakovo]

All latino people in the US are illegal immigrants who have come here to steal our jobs and sit around, do nothing but mooch off the social programs that thrive in right-wing tight-ass states, and murder hapless and innocent white folk for drugs (because the drop rate on marijuana from a white person is 73.5%)

Did you read this garbage before you posted it? What a load of crap. If you want to look at illegal immigrants then face the fact that every non-Native American is an immigrant and illegally too. Ye gods man ..... there are thousands of legal Latino immigrants in the United States. Where do you get this drivel from?

If including a video game item percentile drop rate doesn't indicate it's satire, I guess nothing will but proper [satire][/satire] tags.

The problem is that there are actually people who think like that... As demonstrated by this law and its overwhelming support...

He can't identify satire and you don't seem to know it's definition.

I'm sorry, obviously I need to rephrase what I said to make it a bit more obvious...
The problem is you did too good a job.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

The problem is you did too good a job.

It's not good satire if it can't be easily identified with its target. Hence why I wrote it so absurdly and additionally included the video game item percentile drop rate.
Never mind that the sentence he left out when quoting me implied the next sentence (the one he did quote) would not be a real opinion but instead a hyperbole of what the political winds were.

[Tekania]

Democracy = majority rules, and that being the be-all and end-all of discussion, is a first-grade understanding of democracy.

I don't approve of absolute democracy... Luckily we don't live in an absolute democracy, and so majority does not necessarily mean de facto rule...