New Arizona Immigration Law Poll

[Whole Conviction]

Securing the border means preventing people from crossing illegally in the first place. That's not exactly something that even a strong spin can twist; the dictionary definition of "secure" has two entries that would support the intended meaning, and none that would support the deportation meaning you drew.

Actualy, that's exactly what it means. Because 'preventing people from crossing illegally in the first place' is impossible. 100% completely impossible. You could deploy the entire army across your southern border and people would STILL cross illegally, unless you stopped ALL people crossing. Therefore, 'securing the border' refers more to catching people inside the United States and deporting them with a great enough efficiency to discourage such activity and thus reduce the flow of people across the border. Thus, securing it.

The dream of an impervious border will remain forever that.

[Ashaven]

Frankly, shouldn't you have your papers with you anyway?

[Muravyets]

Frankly, shouldn't you have your papers with you anyway?

No, because Americans don't have papers.

[Muravyets]

I would think they would have their driver's license on them.

not everyone drives nor has a state ID.

But this applies to stopping people, and to do this one must drive. To drive, you must have your driver's license.

No, the bill is not limited to the police stopping you on the road. It says that during the course of any lawful contact, LEOs should make a reasonable effort to find out a person's immigration status.

And lo! Some in the GOP are not exactly behind the bill. Gosh. Jeb Bush? Marco Rubio? KARL ROVE?

Tom Tancredo, even. Makes you wonder just how far out the fringe goes, doesn't it?

Tom Tancredo? How does that make John McCain feel, after he rushed out to support the bill?

A few more to add. Mike Huckabee criticized the law, and Republican Representative from Florida Connie Mack even Godwinned it:

"This law of 'frontier justice' – where law enforcement officials are required to stop anyone based on 'reasonable suspicion' that they may be in the country illegally – is reminiscent of a time during World War II when the Gestapo in Germany stopped people on the street and asked for their papers without probable cause," Mack said in a statement.

"This is not the America I grew up in and believe in, and it’s not the America I want my children to grow up in," he added.

[Dyakovo]

If the immigration laws weren't such a mess than fewer people would feel it was necessary to risk breaking the laws.

Can you back up that assertion?

I admit that no, I cannot.

[Dyakovo]

There are two important points here -- a request has to be made to live in the U.S. and that request has to be granted.

And the person has to be fairly wealthy.

A person does not have to be wealthy to leagaly inmmagrate to the US, they only have to be patient, it takes years to get a greencard even longer for citizenship. Unless your from Cuba, since Cuba is communist, the minute a Cuban touches US soil there here legaly.

True, they don't have to be wealthy. It just helps a lot.

[Dyakovo]

Frankly, shouldn't you have your papers with you anyway?

No, because Americans don't have papers.

This. So completely this.

[Cobhanglica]

It's about time that some state grew a backbone and passed a law like this. The federal government doesn't want to stop illegal immigration because both of the major parties have vested interests in it. The Democrats want illegals in the country to serve as a pool of new voters following the passage of another amnesty, while the GOP wants the illegals because it benefits the businesspeople that support them to have a steady supply of pseudo-slaves. "Comprehensive immigration reform" is nothing more than a euphemism for allowing the illegal invaders to get away with what they have done.

If Hispanics are to be disproportionately suspected of the crime of residing illegally in the United States, it is only because they compromise the majority of the perpetrators. Marching in the streets with Spanish signs and Mexican flags doesn't help their case one bit.

[North Calaveras]

probably isn't good for your flag to be a confederate one but your point is valid.

[Alcanso]

I'm 100% for it. IT's a ant-Illegal bill NOT an anti-immigration bill

Fact:
- there are 20,000,000 (+) Illegals/ undocumented people in this country
- 75-80% of who are hispanic.
- All Aliens have to have documentation on them (IT's A FEDERAL LAW LOOK IT UP) (that means even a LEAGAL immigrant who doesn't have their papers on them can be throw in jail and or a fine)
-they're only enforcing our immigration laws WHICH SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR 60 YEARS

-Illegals ARE LAW BREAKERS. SO that means the only rights they get are a right to an attorney and no unreasonable punishment.

[Dyakovo]

-they're only enforcing our immigration laws WHICH SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR 60 YEARS

Wrong. You don't enforce a law by passing another law.

-Illegals ARE LAW BREAKERS. SO that means the only rights they get are a right to an attorney and no unreasonable punishment.

Again, wrong.

[Our Constitution]

Lets get this straight, Foreign Nationals that here illegally are "Fugitives on the Run" and have been ever since they entered our country. They evaded Border Guards and illegally entered the country and believe they can hide among the general populace to escape the Law. Rather than worrying about 'profiling' the people who are most worried about being 'profiled' should do themselves a favor and if they meet an illegal, report them.

Every U.S. Citizen is responsible for assisting in apprehending them and deporting them to their Nation's Jurisdiction. They are not U.S. Citizens and they are not under U.S. Jurisdiction.

Let us make another thing certain. They are not "immigrants" or "undocumented workers." If you support this Law then you should do yourself a favor and frame the debate before those who oppose it do.

The correct term is "Foreign National" Remove the terms "immigrant" and "undocumented worker" from your mind. You won't be needing them.

[The Corparation]

I'm 100% for it. IT's a ant-Illegal bill NOT an anti-immigration bill

Fact:
- there are 20,000,000 (+) Illegals/ undocumented people in this country
- 75-80% of who are hispanic.
- All Aliens have to have documentation on them (IT's A FEDERAL LAW LOOK IT UP) (that means even a LEAGAL immigrant who doesn't have their papers on them can be throw in jail and or a fine)
-they're only enforcing our immigration laws WHICH SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR 60 YEARS

-Illegals ARE LAW BREAKERS. SO that means the only rights they get are a right to an attorney and no unreasonable punishment.

Under this law you could be deported for failing to carry your birth certificate/green card/visa/student visa/passport/drivers liscense. Some people don't have drivers liscenses and native born citizens don't have to carry around their birth certifacatees and passports. Law Breakers Don't have rights you say? Well if you do an illeagal U-turn, jaywalk or any other trivial offense you are a lawbreaker. A murder suspect is far more dangerous than an illeagal and they have the right to defend themselves in court. Why should a suspected not be allowed to prove their legal in a fair trail?

[Dyakovo]

They are not under U.S. Jurisdiction.

False.

[Muravyets]

Lets get this straight, Foreign Nationals that here illegally are "Fugitives on the Run" and have been ever since they entered our country. They evaded Border Guards and illegally entered the country and believe they can hide among the general populace to escape the Law. Rather than worrying about 'profiling' the people who are most worried about being 'profiled' should do themselves a favor and if they meet an illegal, report them.

Every U.S. Citizen is responsible for assisting in apprehending them and deporting them to their Nation's Jurisdiction. They are not U.S. Citizens and they are not under U.S. Jurisdiction.

Let us make another thing certain. They are not "immigrants" or "undocumented workers." If you support this Law then you should do yourself a favor and frame the debate before those who oppose it do.

The correct term is "Foreign National" Remove the terms "immigrant" and "undocumented worker" from your mind. You won't be needing them.

Look at a street full of people. Point out to me which ones are committing the crime you complain of.

[Dyakovo]

Lets get this straight, Foreign Nationals that here illegally are "Fugitives on the Run" and have been ever since they entered our country. They evaded Border Guards and illegally entered the country and believe they can hide among the general populace to escape the Law. Rather than worrying about 'profiling' the people who are most worried about being 'profiled' should do themselves a favor and if they meet an illegal, report them.

Every U.S. Citizen is responsible for assisting in apprehending them and deporting them to their Nation's Jurisdiction. They are not U.S. Citizens and they are not under U.S. Jurisdiction.

Let us make another thing certain. They are not "immigrants" or "undocumented workers." If you support this Law then you should do yourself a favor and frame the debate before those who oppose it do.

The correct term is "Foreign National" Remove the terms "immigrant" and "undocumented worker" from your mind. You won't be needing them.

Look at a street full of people. Point out to me which ones are committing the crime you complain of.

The brown ones... Duh...

[Cobhanglica]

They are not under U.S. Jurisdiction.

False.

But they are not American citizens and do not have the rights that come with citizenship. You are not entitled to live in the United States simply by being alive.

[Muravyets]

They are not under U.S. Jurisdiction.

False.

But they are not American citizens and do not have the rights that come with citizenship. You are not entitled to live in the United States simply by being alive.

If they are in the US, they are under US jurisdiction and subject to US law -- including the protections that come with it.

[Dyakovo]

They are not under U.S. Jurisdiction.

False.

But they are not American citizens and do not have the rights that come with citizenship.

True. They cannot legally vote, they are, however entitled to the full protection of the law.

You are not entitled to live in the United States simply by being alive.

And?

[Alcanso]

At Dyakovo

U.S. Code Title 8, Section 1325
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

THEY ARE LAW BREAKERS! GET IT THROUGH THE THICK LIBERAL MIND OF YOURS!!!!



At The Corparation

1. A cop could be an ass if he wanted to and arrest even an American who didn't have there license (It's a federal Law)
2. Srry, I forgot "the right to a fair traiL" thank you for reminding me

[Tekania]

If Hispanics are to be disproportionately suspected of the crime of residing illegally in the United States, it is only because they compromise the majority of the perpetrators. Marching in the streets with Spanish signs and Mexican flags doesn't help their case one bit.

Cause, you know, it's not like any one else does that...







And the images could continue for quite some time...

So, how do you like your crow, fried, fricasseed, broiled, baked or roasted?

[Dyakovo]

U.S. Code Title 8, Section 1325
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

And? That has no bearing on this discussion in the least.

THEY ARE LAW BREAKERS! GET IT THROUGH THE THICK LIBERAL MIND OF YOURS!!!!

I'm sorry, where did I say that they haven't broken the law?

1. A cop could be an ass if he wanted to and arrest even an American who didn't have there license (It's a federal Law)

Source?

[Muravyets]

At Dyakovo

U.S. Code Title 8, Section 1325
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

THEY ARE LAW BREAKERS! GET IT THROUGH THE THICK LIBERAL MIND OF YOURS!!!!

Same as I asked OC:

Look at a street full of people. Point out to me the ones who are committing the crime you're talking about.

[Alcanso]

they broke this law the second they hopped the fence and wern't caught

[Muravyets]

they broke this law the second they hopped the fence and wern't caught

Which ones did that? Out of all the people walking down the street, which ones are here illegally? How are you going to tell them apart from the citizens and legal residents? Tell me, how?