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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:59 pm

I'm not a feminist and I'm certainly not someone who thinks that restrictions on abortion equals oppression, but one thing I don't understand is why you "pro-life" types cheer when healthcare is gutted and the welfare is stripped. You'd force a poor mother to give birth and then cut the programs that help people like her. With sentiments like that, no wonder why your critics denounce you as merely "pro-birth."
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:59 pm

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Fahran wrote:To get us back on topic, what cases do y'all imagine will come before the SCOTUS in the next few months? And how do y'all think ACB's appointment will impact the rulings of the SCOTUS in those cases?


I don't think Roe vs Wade is going anywhere and gay marriage is not going anywhere


I wish I had your optimism.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:59 pm

New Steuben wrote:
Fahran wrote:To get us back on topic, what cases do y'all imagine will come before the SCOTUS in the next few months? And how do y'all think ACB's appointment will impact the rulings of the SCOTUS in those cases?


I don't think Roe vs Wade is going anywhere and gay marriage is not going anywhere

lol, no, those are going bye bye.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:00 pm

Fahran wrote:To get us back on topic, what cases do y'all imagine will come before the SCOTUS in the next few months? And how do y'all think ACB's appointment will impact the rulings of the SCOTUS in those cases?

They'll probably throw the election to our boy Trump.

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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:00 pm

New haven america wrote:
Fahran wrote:1. You know full well that isn't the standard definition of terrorism. 2. Somebody implementing policies you dislike isn't terrorism. 3. It may be poor policy, but there's no reason to dive into hyperbole when what you're proposing is objectively much worse.

1. If organizations like Hezbollah can be considered as such despite being a political party I see no reason why the GOP can't be labeled as such.
2. If those policies are made specifically to harm the population, they 100% can and should.
3. It's not a hyperbole, it's a factual statement.

still waiting for you to provide evidence for that
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Postby New Steuben » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:00 pm

New haven america wrote:
New Steuben wrote:
I don't think Roe vs Wade is going anywhere and gay marriage is not going anywhere

lol, no, those are going bye bye.


Your being dramatic

they said Trump was going to destroy America and here we are 4 years later and more or less nothing has changed

:roll: Leftists are fucking wild
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:00 pm

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. If organizations like Hezbollah can be considered as such despite being a political party I see no reason why the GOP can't be labeled as such.
2. If those policies are made specifically to harm the population, they 100% can and should.
3. It's not a hyperbole, it's a factual statement.

still waiting for you to provide evidence for that

You never asked for evidence for anything.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:01 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:Shouldn’t you be following the originalist view? Only muskets were around when the Const was written.

That's actually not true. Firearms that could be discharged multiple times without reloading were available at the time the 2nd Amendment was conceived. Revolvers came into wide use in the decades immediately following the ratification of the Constitution as well, less than a generation after the Founders. Some men who began their political careers in the 1790s would have been at the height of their power by that time. There were also cannons.


Oh Dahlin, don’t be so serious. I have tossed that silly argument at gun boy just to poke at him. Even then repeating weapons were not practical for personal use.

But hey every house should own a cannon eh?
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Postby Romextly » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:01 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm not a feminist and I'm certainly not someone who thinks that restrictions on abortion equals oppression, but one thing I don't understand is why you "pro-life" types cheer when healthcare is gutted and the welfare is stripped. You'd force a poor mother to give birth and then cut the programs that help people like her. With sentiments like that, no wonder why your critics denounce you as merely "pro-birth."

I am not trying to take away healthcare. We should keep health care, buttake away killing people

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Postby Fahran » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:01 pm

Albrenia wrote:Obviously doesn't change the fact I am fervently grateful to not live in the US, but saying they're terrorists is going way too far.

I think Trump is much better than what we were sold prior to and immediately after his election. I'm still not fan, especially because of how the government has incarcerated and treated illegal immigrants, but I'd argue his presidency has been a mixed bag. With regard to the SCOTUS, I'm honestly far more comfortable with the present makeup despite reservations than I would be with court-packing or proposals to strip the SCOTUS of its current authority in the name of "democracy" and the "popular will." We elect judges in my home state and it's a serious criticism I have about how we do things.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:01 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm not a feminist and I'm certainly not someone who thinks that restrictions on abortion equals oppression, but one thing I don't understand is why you "pro-life" types cheer when healthcare is gutted and the welfare is stripped. You'd force a poor mother to give birth and then cut the programs that help people like her. With sentiments like that, no wonder why your critics denounce you as merely "pro-birth."

Yes, it's sad indeed. More and more Conservatives are becoming for programs that would help the new parent/s.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:01 pm

New Steuben wrote:
New haven america wrote:lol, no, those are going bye bye.


Your being dramatic

they said Trump was going to destroy America and here we are 4 years later and more or less nothing has changed

:roll: Leftists are fucking wild


Are you sure you live here? The Trump pandemic and the tanked economy?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:02 pm

Albrenia wrote:
New Steuben wrote:
I don't think Roe vs Wade is going anywhere and gay marriage is not going anywhere


I wish I had your optimism.


Obergefell almost certainly isn't tbh. Roe is more plausible because there are some actual flaws in how the conclusion was reached, but there's no solid method to overturn Obergefell without also weakening tons of conservative causes too because of 14A precedent.
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Postby New Steuben » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:02 pm

Fahran wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Obviously doesn't change the fact I am fervently grateful to not live in the US, but saying they're terrorists is going way too far.

I think Trump is much better than what we were sold prior to and immediately after his election. I'm still not fan, especially because of how the government has incarcerated and treated illegal immigrants, but I'd argue his presidency has been a mixed bag. With regard to the SCOTUS, I'm honestly far more comfortable with the present makeup despite reservations than I would be with court-packing or proposals to strip the SCOTUS of its current authority in the name of "democracy" and the "popular will." We elect judges in my home state and it's a serious criticism I have about how we do things.


the idea of court packing is truly dangerous to our nation

dosn't matter if it's left or right doing it

the Democrats gave us the current situation we are in when they made it a simple majority.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:02 pm

Albrenia wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Good. Religion comes before killing babies in the womb.


Funny how everyone was all like 'Nah, Roe v Wade is 100% safe' before the confirmation, but now right-wingers feel free to admit the truth of the goals.

roe v. wade is safe, the SC still doesn't have enough votes for it. it just doesn't.
Conservative judges do not vote nearly as partisanly as the liberals there do.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:02 pm

Romextly wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm not a feminist and I'm certainly not someone who thinks that restrictions on abortion equals oppression, but one thing I don't understand is why you "pro-life" types cheer when healthcare is gutted and the welfare is stripped. You'd force a poor mother to give birth and then cut the programs that help people like her. With sentiments like that, no wonder why your critics denounce you as merely "pro-birth."

I am not trying to take away healthcare. We should keep health care, buttake away killing people

Unfortunately, others in the Republican party don't share that view.
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Postby Romextly » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:02 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
New Steuben wrote:
Your being dramatic

they said Trump was going to destroy America and here we are 4 years later and more or less nothing has changed

:roll: Leftists are fucking wild


Are you sure you live here? The Trump pandemic and the tanked economy?

Trump took out the travels to china where the virus started

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Postby Romextly » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:03 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Romextly wrote:I am not trying to take away healthcare. We should keep health care, buttake away killing people

Unfortunately, others in the Republican party don't share that view.

True

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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:03 pm

New Steuben wrote:
New haven america wrote:lol, no, those are going bye bye.


Your being dramatic

1. they said Trump was going to destroy America and here we are 4 years later and more or less nothing has changed

2. :roll: Leftists are fucking wild

1. In 4 years Trump: Lost all the economic gains made by Obama, burned all of the US' allies, caused an easily preventable disease to become a pandemic with 200,000+ death, and lead to the largest unemployment rate in US history.


2. I'm not on the left so fuck your unoriginal buzzwords. Get new material please, you had 4 years but I guess that's too little time? :)
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Postby New Steuben » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:03 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
New Steuben wrote:
Your being dramatic

they said Trump was going to destroy America and here we are 4 years later and more or less nothing has changed

:roll: Leftists are fucking wild


Are you sure you live here? The Trump pandemic and the tanked economy?


Trump can't stop a global pandemic

and the economy tanked and has continued to tank when Democrat mayors/govenors crush their economies and then bitch.

It's not Trumps fault that little hitlers like Whitmer exist.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:03 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
New Steuben wrote:
Your being dramatic

they said Trump was going to destroy America and here we are 4 years later and more or less nothing has changed

:roll: Leftists are fucking wild


Are you sure you live here? The Trump pandemic and the tanked economy?

Not Trump's fault. If you believe it is, you are rather ignorant of the topic. That is another debate for another time, however.
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Postby Romextly » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:03 pm

New haven america wrote:
New Steuben wrote:
Your being dramatic

1. they said Trump was going to destroy America and here we are 4 years later and more or less nothing has changed

2. :roll: Leftists are fucking wild

1. In 4 years Trump: Lost all the economic gains made by Obama, burned all of the US' allies, caused an easily preventable disease to become a pandemic with 200,000+ death, and lead to the largest unemployment rate in US history.


2. I'm not on the left so fuck your unoriginal buzzwords. Get new material please, you had 4 years but I guess that's too little time? :)

Economic gains? We have more jobs and a better economy.

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The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm not a feminist and I'm certainly not someone who thinks that restrictions on abortion equals oppression, but one thing I don't understand is why you "pro-life" types cheer when healthcare is gutted and the welfare is stripped. You'd force a poor mother to give birth and then cut the programs that help people like her. With sentiments like that, no wonder why your critics denounce you as merely "pro-birth."

Yes, it's sad indeed. More and more Conservatives are becoming for programs that would help the new parent/s.


Even if it increases taxes?......color me doubtful.

Neonatal care would solve many things. My mom worked on initiatives to make that free and it was fought....
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:04 pm

Romextly wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. In 4 years Trump: Lost all the economic gains made by Obama, burned all of the US' allies, caused an easily preventable disease to become a pandemic with 200,000+ death, and lead to the largest unemployment rate in US history.


2. I'm not on the left so fuck your unoriginal buzzwords. Get new material please, you had 4 years but I guess that's too little time? :)

Economic gains? We have more jobs and a better economy.

Ah, I get it, you're just being sarcastic.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:04 pm

New Steuben wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Are you sure you live here? The Trump pandemic and the tanked economy?


Trump can't stop a global pandemic


True. He just made it worse in the US.

and the economy tanked and has continued to tank when Democrat mayors/govenors crush their economies and then bitch.

It's not Trumps fault that little hitlers like Whitmer exist.


I am not sure what you are trying to say here.
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