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No, too close to the election.
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Postby Vetalia » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:19 pm

Major-Tom wrote:We both know nobody is going to look at that side of things, I mean, c'mon. It'll revolve more around the narrative of the nomination process. Will Cory Booker rightly critique her on healthcare and abortion access? Or will he delve into a rant on her association with an (admittedly kooky) non-mainstream Church? Will Kamala Harris critique her on the hypocrisy angle, or will she attack her on being a religious fundamentalist?.


Actually, People of Praise is far from a non-mainstream church, not only is it not a church but it's predominantly Catholic and part of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal that is sanctioned by the Vatican. Charismatic practices aren't my preferred form of spirituality but there is nothing they do or espouse that is outside of modern Catholic dogma and practice.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:41 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:We both know nobody is going to look at that side of things, I mean, c'mon. It'll revolve more around the narrative of the nomination process. Will Cory Booker rightly critique her on healthcare and abortion access? Or will he delve into a rant on her association with an (admittedly kooky) non-mainstream Church? Will Kamala Harris critique her on the hypocrisy angle, or will she attack her on being a religious fundamentalist?.


Actually, People of Praise is far from a non-mainstream church, not only is it not a church but it's predominantly Catholic and part of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal that is sanctioned by the Vatican. Charismatic practices aren't my preferred form of spirituality but there is nothing they do or espouse that is outside of modern Catholic dogma and practice.


I think you know what I mean by non-mainstream. There are a ton of Mormons in the US, but the beliefs aren't accepted as mainstream by most Americans, even though I'm sure most Americans have no problem with LDS members. I have a deep respect for Catholics and the Catholic faith, which is why I'm encouraging people not to disparage her religion, in other words, I don't see that as the disqualifier, the disqualifier in this instance to me is over healthcare access.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:42 pm

She is opposed to Roe v. Wade and wants to overturn certain rulings upholding Obamacare.

Hard pass.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:45 pm

Picairn wrote:She is opposed to Roe v. Wade and wants to overturn certain rulings upholding Obamacare.

Hard pass.


Obamacare is pretty objectively unconstitutional now though. The Republican strategy on it was nothing less than perfection honestly.
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Postby Rweth » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:50 pm

Simply because she was appointed by Trump and she opposes Roe vs Wade,I don’t support her.

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Postby Panslavicland » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:27 pm

I think she is a great choice. I expect over the coming decades she will use her position on the court to defend free speech and the right to bear arms, and also to weaken to the point of irrelevancy various previous mistaken rulings from Roe v. Wade to Obergefell v. Hodges. I think she will help defend the United States from immediate threats, like the Democrats planned fraudulent efforts to steal the upcoming election, while in the long term she will stop the various unconstitutional schemes that the Democrats are planning like the green new deal, medicare for all and free college for decades to come.

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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:32 pm

Panslavicland wrote:I think she is a great choice. I expect over the coming decades she will use her position on the court to defend free speech and the right to bear arms, and also to weaken to the point of irrelevancy various previous mistaken rulings from Roe v. Wade to Obergefell v. Hodges.

What do you mean by "mistaken rulings," particularly with those cases?
I think she will help defend the United States from immediate threats, like the Democrats planned fraudulent efforts to steal the upcoming election,

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while in the long term she will stop the various unconstitutional schemes that the Democrats are planning like the green new deal, medicare for all and free college for decades to come.

How are those things unconstitutional?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:09 am

Republican Mitch McConnell, Judge Amy Coney Barrett Confirmation Hearings will begin next week,
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... next-week/

A Few Excerpts:
“Judge Barrett’s hearings will begin one week from today,” wrote Sen. McConnell. “Chairman [Lindsey] Graham has all the tools to conduct a hybrid hearing, just like the 150 others the Senate has held this year.”
“We will not stop working for the American people because Democrats are afraid they may lose a vote,” added the majority leader.

GMS: Mitch McConnel's words not mine. My personal interest, is I wonder what kind of personal and political attacks the Democrats in the Democratic Party are going to present, against a highly qualified US Supreme Court Justice nominee.

Are they going to attack her on the issues based on her Catholic Religion?

Are they going to attack her on her political views?

Are they going to attack her on a personal level similar to what they did to Judge Brett Kavanaugh, a highly qualified US Supreme Court Justice Nominee, to try and destroy his career as a highly qualified US Supreme Court Justice?

I cant wait to see what kind of personal and political attacks, and Democrat Talking Points they will come up with. I know they will, you know they will and we all know they will, it is called Politics and both sides the Republicans and the Democrats play it from time, when it is their turn to do so, and I am not lying these are Facts.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:10 am

Panslavicland wrote:I think she is a great choice. I expect over the coming decades she will use her position on the court to defend free speech and the right to bear arms, and also to weaken to the point of irrelevancy various previous mistaken rulings from Roe v. Wade to Obergefell v. Hodges. I think she will help defend the United States from immediate threats, like the Democrats planned fraudulent efforts to steal the upcoming election, while in the long term she will stop the various unconstitutional schemes that the Democrats are planning like the green new deal, medicare for all and free college for decades to come.


So how is free speech under threat today?
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Talk about dark irony. Ginsberg passes away and her replacement is literally the anti feminist, out to destroy everything she worked for.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:11 am

Vassenor wrote:
Panslavicland wrote:I think she is a great choice. I expect over the coming decades she will use her position on the court to defend free speech and the right to bear arms, and also to weaken to the point of irrelevancy various previous mistaken rulings from Roe v. Wade to Obergefell v. Hodges. I think she will help defend the United States from immediate threats, like the Democrats planned fraudulent efforts to steal the upcoming election, while in the long term she will stop the various unconstitutional schemes that the Democrats are planning like the green new deal, medicare for all and free college for decades to come.


So how is free speech under threat today?


It's definitely under threat, like that time the police shot a reporter in the leg with a rubber bullet and Trump celebrated it on live TV.
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Postby Phaenix » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:13 am

I find it funny how the Republicans claim to be conservative, yet constantly demand changes to the Constitution. Not that I'm against flexibility, but the Republicans nominating Amy Barret should really learn what 'conservative' means.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:22 am

Phaenix wrote:I find it funny how the Republicans claim to be conservative, yet constantly demand changes to the Constitution. Not that I'm against flexibility, but the Republicans nominating Amy Barret should really learn what 'conservative' means.

Well as a conservative Republican, I can say and speak for us, it does not mean leftist liberal Democrat policies, which the US Supreme Court has certain considerable influence on.

Gun rights or not, health care laws based on the details, immigration laws, asylum laws, economic laws, abortion laws and so on.

and it is political despite them being so called non political, unbiased, and un partisan.

President Trump is correct when he said there are leftist Judges, what he did not say and should have said is, there are right wing Judges as well. This is why a conservative majority or a leftist majority on the US Supreme Court matters too the Republicans and too the Democrats.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:24 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Phaenix wrote:I find it funny how the Republicans claim to be conservative, yet constantly demand changes to the Constitution. Not that I'm against flexibility, but the Republicans nominating Amy Barret should really learn what 'conservative' means.

Well as a conservative Republican, I can say and speak for us, it does not mean leftist liberal Democrat policies, which the US Supreme Court has certain considerable influence on.

Gun rights or not, health care laws based on the details, immigration laws, asylum laws, economic laws, abortion laws and so on.

and it is political despite them being so called non political, unbiased, and un partisan.

President Trump is correct when he said there are leftist Judges, what he did not say and should have said is, there are right wing Judges as well. This is why a conservative majority or a leftist majority on the US Supreme Court matters to the Republicans and too the Democrats.


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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:24 am

Phaenix wrote:I find it funny how the Republicans claim to be conservative, yet constantly demand changes to the Constitution. Not that I'm against flexibility, but the Republicans nominating Amy Barret should really learn what 'conservative' means.

Curious. How are the repubs demanding changes to the US Constitution?

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Postby Phaenix » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:25 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Phaenix wrote:I find it funny how the Republicans claim to be conservative, yet constantly demand changes to the Constitution. Not that I'm against flexibility, but the Republicans nominating Amy Barret should really learn what 'conservative' means.

Well as a conservative Republican, I can say and speak for us, it does not mean leftist liberal Democrat policies, which the US Supreme Court has certain considerable influence on.

Gun rights or not, health care laws based on the details, immigration laws, asylum laws, economic laws, abortion laws and so on.

and it is political despite them being so called non political and unbiased.

President Trump is correct when he said there are leftist Judges, what he did not say and should have said is, there are right wing Judges as well. This is why a conservative majority or a leftist majority on the US Supreme Court matters to the Republicans and too the Democrats.

Those that support Trump are certainly not 'conservative.' A true conservative would be appalled at Trump's behavior to 'Christianize' the Constitution, and especially so by Amy Barret's policies.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:27 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Well as a conservative Republican, I can say and speak for us, it does not mean leftist liberal Democrat policies, which the US Supreme Court has certain considerable influence on.

Gun rights or not, health care laws based on the details, immigration laws, asylum laws, economic laws, abortion laws and so on.

and it is political despite them being so called non political, unbiased, and un partisan.

President Trump is correct when he said there are leftist Judges, what he did not say and should have said is, there are right wing Judges as well. This is why a conservative majority or a leftist majority on the US Supreme Court matters to the Republicans and too the Democrats.


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No I don't think so, I understand it.

My English not very bad, not very good, but not very bad, :) lol again, my favorite expression.

and it is broken down into paragraphs to make it easier to understand by intent.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:50 am

Vassenor wrote:
Panslavicland wrote:I think she is a great choice. I expect over the coming decades she will use her position on the court to defend free speech and the right to bear arms, and also to weaken to the point of irrelevancy various previous mistaken rulings from Roe v. Wade to Obergefell v. Hodges. I think she will help defend the United States from immediate threats, like the Democrats planned fraudulent efforts to steal the upcoming election, while in the long term she will stop the various unconstitutional schemes that the Democrats are planning like the green new deal, medicare for all and free college for decades to come.


So how is free speech under threat today?


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Postby Langenia » Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:02 am

Even though I dislike Trump and heartily disagree with his views and those of his Republican allies, I must say that I support the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. If Trump had never been nominated by the Republicans for president, or never had anything to with the Republicans, perhaps I would've been a supporter of the Republican Party. Instead, I am rooting for Democrats to get Trump out of office. Nevertheless, I support Barrett because she is catholic (like me) and holds many of the same political views that I have concerning social issues. This is why I like more conservative judges to the court rather than the liberals nominated to the court by the Democratic Party. Case in point, I must say that a lot of the time to me it feels that American politics is like deciding which hand to cut off, because both parties have problems, or lots of problems.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:56 am

Given that Barret is a person who believes that life begins at conception, how could she in good conscience accept a nomination from a man who is currently injecting what she would considered murdered babies into his blood stream to prolong his own life?

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:57 am

Langenia wrote:Even though I dislike Trump and heartily disagree with his views and those of his Republican allies, I must say that I support the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. If Trump had never been nominated by the Republicans for president, or never had anything to with the Republicans, perhaps I would've been a supporter of the Republican Party. Instead, I am rooting for Democrats to get Trump out of office. Nevertheless, I support Barrett because she is catholic (like me) and holds many of the same political views that I have concerning social issues. This is why I like more conservative judges to the court rather than the liberals nominated to the court by the Democratic Party. Case in point, I must say that a lot of the time to me it feels that American politics is like deciding which hand to cut off, because both parties have problems, or lots of problems.


So why don't you explain what those views are and why imposing them on America is so vital.
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Postby Langenia » Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:24 am

Vassenor wrote:
Langenia wrote:Even though I dislike Trump and heartily disagree with his views and those of his Republican allies, I must say that I support the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. If Trump had never been nominated by the Republicans for president, or never had anything to with the Republicans, perhaps I would've been a supporter of the Republican Party. Instead, I am rooting for Democrats to get Trump out of office. Nevertheless, I support Barrett because she is catholic (like me) and holds many of the same political views that I have concerning social issues. This is why I like more conservative judges to the court rather than the liberals nominated to the court by the Democratic Party. Case in point, I must say that a lot of the time to me it feels that American politics is like deciding which hand to cut off, because both parties have problems, or lots of problems.


So why don't you explain what those views are and why imposing them on America is so vital.


With pleasure. #1: the murder of babies, aka abortion. I am pro life and believe we should stop it. There are other issues I have, but I won't go into them because it would cause an outcry and many people would disagree.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:42 am

Langenia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So why don't you explain what those views are and why imposing them on America is so vital.


With pleasure. #1: the murder of babies, aka abortion. I am pro life and believe we should stop it. There are other issues I have, but I won't go into them because it would cause an outcry and many people would disagree.


And thus women need to be denied the right to control their own bodies for the sake of your conscience.
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Postby Langenia » Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:55 am

Vassenor wrote:
Langenia wrote:
With pleasure. #1: the murder of babies, aka abortion. I am pro life and believe we should stop it. There are other issues I have, but I won't go into them because it would cause an outcry and many people would disagree.


And thus women need to be denied the right to control their own bodies for the sake of your conscience.


I will not criticize your views, they are yours and mine are mine. I believe in free speech as well.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:44 am

Oh boy another right wing justice added to the supreme court to stack it for the repubs.

God Trump needs to be yeeted out this year.

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