Judge Amy Barret Confirmed As Supreme Court Justice

[Punished UMN]

You think children are part of the woman’s body? Biology called

If the government forces a woman to have a baby, then the government must financially support the child until 18.

Yes.

[Novus America]

ACB supports women’s rights to be born, without being killed

By killing women who exercise control over their bodies.

She never said that. We went over that. She did not answer that question because it was a gotcha trap. She never said courts should mandate anyone getting an abortion should be executed.

[Tarsonis]

You think children are part of the woman’s body? Biology called

If the government forces a woman to have a baby, then the government must financially support the child until 18.

That's worth discussing

[Novus America]

You think children are part of the woman’s body? Biology called

If the government forces a woman to have a baby, then the government must financially support the child until 18.

Fair argument. Or at least ensure the child is given to the care of a family willing to support the child.
Although unless there is a pending case where that is the question, it might be best for the abortion thread.

[Picairn]

I never said impeachment is automatically an unconstitutional bill of attainder. Simply that other provisions indicate the Congress does not have absolute and unrestricted powers. That is a check on congressional powers. Which indicates congressional powers are not absolute.
Stop straw manning.

You did, however, cite bills of attainder and ex post facto laws when the punishments for Senate convictions are already defined and authorized by the Constitution.

And hypothetically alien space bats could come down and force everyone to dress like clowns. But it is not worth debating unless it is actually probable.

I mean, as of September 2017, 15 federal judges have been impeached, and eight have been convicted. It's more real than you think.

[Ifreann]

ACB supports women’s rights to be born, without being killed

Does she?

[The Alma Mater]

To control their own bodies and to be treated as people rather than walking baby factories.

You think children are part of the woman’s body? Biology called

I think the blood, nourishment, environment etc. are all part of the womans body - yes. Don't you ?

That the fetus will die if the woman refuses to share her body with it is unfortunate; but we as a society have decided not to force people to donate blood or organs to preserve the lifes of others....

[Kexholm Karelia]

You think children are part of the woman’s body? Biology called

If the government forces a woman to have a baby, then the government must financially support the child until 18.

We already have a system for that, it’s called foster care, and thousands of children are adopted out of it every year, just as thousands of unwilling parents put their children up for adoption instead of killing them

[Kernen]

You think children are part of the woman’s body? Biology called

If the government forces a woman to have a baby, then the government must financially support the child until 18.

Having the chance to observe pregnancy up close, I'm not sure that this is a fair compromise to the poor mother who is in agony, physical and emotional, through the process.

[Tarsonis]

You think children are part of the woman’s body? Biology called

I think the blood, nourishment, environment etc. are all part of the womans body - yes. Don't you ?

That the fetus will die if the woman refuses to share her body with it is unfortunate; but we as a society have decided not to force people to donate blood or organs to preserve the lifes of others....

Pregnancy is a unique situation that has no analogical equivalent.

[Picairn]

I hope this doesn't turn into the abortion thread, just saying.

[The Marlborough]

By killing women who exercise control over their bodies.

She never said that. We went over that. She did not answer that question because it was a gotcha trap. She never said courts should mandate anyone getting an abortion should be executed.

If anything, she's hinted that she's, personally, against the death penalty. The article that caused a lot of Dems to get all hooha over her appointment on the grounds that she was a secret theocrat had to do with whether a judge should recuse themselves from a case involving handing down a death sentence if their own religious beliefs opposed it.

[The Alma Mater]

You think children are part of the woman’s body? Biology called

If the government forces a woman to have a baby, then the government must financially support the child until 18.

In all fairness, it is not unlikely that Barret will actually agree to that.

[Punished UMN]

If the government forces a woman to have a baby, then the government must financially support the child until 18.

We already have a system for that, it’s called foster care, and thousands of children are adopted out of it every year, just as thousands of unwilling parents put their children up for adoption instead of killing them

Foster care is not an adequate system, but this really belongs in the abortion thread.

[The Alma Mater]

I think the blood, nourishment, environment etc. are all part of the womans body - yes. Don't you ?

That the fetus will die if the woman refuses to share her body with it is unfortunate; but we as a society have decided not to force people to donate blood or organs to preserve the lifes of others....

Pregnancy is a unique situation that has no analogical equivalent.

But it has and I just described it.
But perhaps this indeed is better for the abortion thread. Where it already has been discussed a million times; but hey.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I have already waste enough time on this.

And ... you lost the audience. You should avoid starting posts with personal comments. It disrespect all the rest of us.

I am quite sure if your extremism hypothetical was somehow a reality, there would be legal challenges. I doubt people would let things get that extreme with no pushback.

Yes, sort of. The time lag between {government screws up the SC} and {the people vote them out for it} might be quite long. The People have a mixed view of the Supreme Court and might take quite a while to realize "you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone".

Again just because a process is constitutional does not make it immune to all other constitutional provisions. It does not work that way. Again passing laws is constitutional. That does not mean all laws are constitutional.

Well I agree with that. Legislation like the ACA can become quite popular despite having important parts of it struck down.

The chance of the Senate going so far “blue” that 2/3rds would agree to remove all conservative justices without real cause is virtually nonexistent. It is much more complicated than that. Just because someone is a member of a party does not mean they would agree with that party on everything either.

2/3 of the Senate being blue has happened before (eg 1935-1941). But yeah, not likely to happen soon.

More homilies. Let's keep them to a minimum eh? Thread is likely to be crowded in the next week.

[Celritannia]

If the government forces a woman to have a baby, then the government must financially support the child until 18.

Having the chance to observe pregnancy up close, I'm not sure that this is a fair compromise to the poor mother who is in agony, physical and emotional, through the process.

I totally agree.
A woman should have the right to an abortion.
But is the Christian Right do somehow restrict the right of a woman to have an abortion, then they should support the life that is born. If they are truly pro-life, then they will help support that life. Otherwise, as has been stated before in the abortion thread, they are pro-birth.

[Tarsonis]

I hope this doesn't turn into the abortion thread, just saying.

well its about scotus and for some reason were all playing along that Scotus is a one issue body.

[The Marlborough]

Pregnancy is a unique situation that has no analogical equivalent.

But it has and I just described it.

I mean it was a really shitty analogy, but that's not really new.

[Celritannia]

If the government forces a woman to have a baby, then the government must financially support the child until 18.

We already have a system for that, it’s called foster care, and thousands of children are adopted out of it every year, just as thousands of unwilling parents put their children up for adoption instead of killing them

Hahaha.
Most foster homes are already underfunded and over crowded. You want to put more children in there?

[The Alma Mater]

But it has and I just described it.

I mean it was a really shitty analogy, but that's not really new.

You not liking it because it shows your hypocrisy does not make it shitty
But abortion thread. Thattaway. Tallyhoo !

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I hope this doesn't turn into the abortion thread, just saying.

It helps to avoid saying the word. Let's go with "space force" instead!

[Salus Maior]

We already have a system for that, it’s called foster care, and thousands of children are adopted out of it every year, just as thousands of unwilling parents put their children up for adoption instead of killing them

Hahaha.
Most foster homes are already underfunded and over crowded. You want to put more children in there?

Then we should fund and improve the system.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

We already have a system for that, it’s called foster care, and thousands of children are adopted out of it every year, just as thousands of unwilling parents put their children up for adoption instead of killing them

Hahaha.
Most foster homes are already underfunded and over crowded. You want to put more children in there?

You say "foster children" I say "space pioneers"! Blastoff!

[Kernen]

I hope this doesn't turn into the abortion thread, just saying.

It helps to avoid saying the word. Let's go with "space force" instead!

Space force is murder

Space force on demand

I like it.