The NFL Thread V3: 2022! It's Happening!

[Ranoria]

So we all seem to be in agreement here, but it’s crazy how everyone has the 49ers pegged to select Mac Jones at #3. Shanahan and Fields looked like they got along splendidly at his second pro day, and I think he’s easily the 2nd best QB on the board, even though the Jets seem to be 100% taking Zac Wilson.

You know. The Jets are taking the riskiest of the top tier QB's and I have a very strong suspicion that it won't work out for them. But I guess we'll wait to find out.

Frankly I think Mac Jones ranks behind Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, and Lance. In a normal year I might see him as a 2nd round selection. Seeing as we're going QB at 1, 2, and 3, maybe a late first rounder. But Jones at #3? That, I think, would be a colossal overreach. But perhaps I'm just lower on him than everyone else is.

Crazy to me. I'd put Wilson even lower than that honestly. Lance or Mac Jones I'd be willing to grab in the second, but Lance with a lot more enthusiasm, and Lawrence and Fields are the only ones I really like tbh.

Just crazy to me. Colin Cowherd called Zach Wilson a "smaller Sam Darnold," and for all the talk of Wilson's athleticism, I haven't seen any of it. Dude's got a big arm, looks like another Blaine Gabbert or Jake Locker type to me. Trey Lance at least is a freak athlete, calls his own protections, and imo has serious upside, all the intangibles according to every source anyone can get their hands on.

My evaluation of Jones is basically - throwing to 2 potential top 15 wideouts behind the best OL in the country, and intangibles? No. Didn't want to let the backups and such come in for snaps in the national championship when it was a blowout in favor of getting his and maybe padding stats. Plus all this talk of his having one of the best college seasons from a QB in the last decade?

Baker Mayfield (2017) Kyler Murray (2018), Justin Fields (2019), Joe Burrow (2019), Kyler Murray (2018), Deshaun Watson (2015), and Lamar Jackson (2015, 2016), were all better. Arguments can be made for a couple, but ultimately those were all better seasons as a passer.

I just don't get it.

[Jerzylvania]

The Baltimore Ravens have traded OL Orlando Brown to KC Chiefs.

KC acquires Brown, the Ravens' 2021 second round pick (58) & a 2022 sixth round pick.

Baltimore receives the Chiefs 2021 first round pick (31), along with third (94) and fourth (136) round picks, plus a 2022 fifth round pick.

[Ethel mermania]

Who's ranting?

No one yet. I'm just trying to stop it in advance before Two Jersey's goes on another multi-page rant about the evils of Nike.

Nike fucking sucks,

and this number bit is crap, we going to have RB's with the number 53 and have to report S eligible every time they come into a game?

[Jerzylvania]

Who's ranting?

No one yet. I'm just trying to stop it in advance before Two Jersey's goes on another multi-page rant about the evils of Nike.

And you sir, you have never done any kind of ranting?

*boulder hits glass house*

[The Two Jerseys]

No one yet. I'm just trying to stop it in advance before Two Jersey's goes on another multi-page rant about the evils of Nike.

Nike fucking sucks,

and this number bit is crap, we going to have RB's with the number 53 and have to report S eligible every time they come into a game?

It is dumb, the whole point of the numbering scheme is so that you can just look at the number on a player's jersey and immediately know if he's an eligible receiver or not.

I'm curious to see once this starts taking hold if there's going to be a spike in mistakenly-thrown flags and passing plays with blown coverage because the players/zebras forgot that #XX is now an eligible receiver.

[Jerzylvania]

Nike fucking sucks,

and this number bit is crap, we going to have RB's with the number 53 and have to report S eligible every time they come into a game?

It is dumb, the whole point of the numbering scheme is so that you can just look at the number on a player's jersey and immediately know if he's an eligible receiver or not.

I'm curious to see once this starts taking hold if there's going to be a spike in mistakenly-thrown flags and passing plays with blown coverage because the players/zebras forgot that #XX is now an eligible receiver.

Of course there will be. That's why I hope none of the guys on my team take weird numbers. Pretty sure Raven ILB Patrick Queen isn't gonna be able to afford to buy Lamar Jackson's jersey off him plus foot the bill to the NFL Shop for all his and Lamar's old # jerseys.

[Ranoria]

The Baltimore Ravens have traded OL Orlando Brown to KC Chiefs.

KC acquires Brown, the Ravens' 2021 second round pick (58) & a 2022 sixth round pick.

Baltimore receives the Chiefs 2021 first round pick (31), along with third (94) and fourth (136) round picks, plus a 2022 fifth round pick.

Package or not I don’t like it. I’d argue Brown’s a top 5 LT and imo they aren’t going to find guys that match his value with those picks.

[Jerzylvania]

The Baltimore Ravens have traded OL Orlando Brown to KC Chiefs.

KC acquires Brown, the Ravens' 2021 second round pick (58) & a 2022 sixth round pick.

Baltimore receives the Chiefs 2021 first round pick (31), along with third (94) and fourth (136) round picks, plus a 2022 fifth round pick.

Package or not I don’t like it. I’d argue Brown’s a top 5 LT and imo they aren’t going to find guys that match his value with those picks.

You don't see me jumping for joy here. Maybe a season or two later... or not. Truth is the Ravens were gonna lose him to FA after 2021, but I don't like seeing him go to KC. Was hoping the Vikes would do a deal.

I guess it all comes down to who they get with the picks. BTW, OBJ was a 3rd round pick (83) in 2018 draft. Word is the Ravens currently have the best analytics dept in the league, and in this particular draft that's a good thing. So don't be so sure they won't get some top talent from this deal. Historically they draft well, but for now we'll just have to wait and see.

[Kohr]

Was hoping the Vikes would do a deal.

Me too...

[Jerzylvania]

Was hoping the Vikes would do a deal.

Me too...

You know i like the Vikes so that would have been great.

The Ravens know OBJ extremely well since his Dad OBS also played for them. Maybe there's some downside? It's not his personality though. I've heard he's a very nice guy. Anyhoo, so long OBJ.

[Ranoria]

Package or not I don’t like it. I’d argue Brown’s a top 5 LT and imo they aren’t going to find guys that match his value with those picks.

You don't see me jumping for joy here. Maybe a season or two later... or not. Truth is the Ravens were gonna lose him to FA after 2021, but I don't like seeing him go to KC. Was hoping the Vikes would do a deal.

I guess it all comes down to who they get with the picks. BTW, OBJ was a 3rd round pick (83) in 2018 draft. Word is the Ravens currently have the best analytics dept in the league, and in this particular draft that's a good thing. So don't be so sure they won't get some top talent from this deal. Historically they draft well, but for now we'll just have to wait and see.

I 100% agree that the Ravens have the best analytics department, so that's fair. But man, Orlando Brown's just a beast.

Tough deal. If they can get better for it, oh well. Either way they're set as long as they keep Lamar around for awhile.

[Jerzylvania]

You don't see me jumping for joy here. Maybe a season or two later... or not. Truth is the Ravens were gonna lose him to FA after 2021, but I don't like seeing him go to KC. Was hoping the Vikes would do a deal.

I guess it all comes down to who they get with the picks. BTW, OBJ was a 3rd round pick (83) in 2018 draft. Word is the Ravens currently have the best analytics dept in the league, and in this particular draft that's a good thing. So don't be so sure they won't get some top talent from this deal. Historically they draft well, but for now we'll just have to wait and see.

I 100% agree that the Ravens have the best analytics department, so that's fair. But man, Orlando Brown's just a beast.

Tough deal. If they can get better for it, oh well. Either way they're set as long as they keep Lamar around for awhile.

At best the Ravens would've gotten one more year out of OBJ on his rookie contract. Then he goes FA for a beast of a contract. Ravens have LT Ronnie Stanley already inked to a big 5 year deal. This is better than letting Brown go after 2021 and maybe at best receiving a 3rd round comp pick in return for his loss next year. Instead, Ravens can draft a fresh replacement with 1st round pick 27 or 31 and should the player pan out it's potentially 5 years on the rookie contract. Cap wise this is a good move by the Ravens, I just don't like him in KC.

On the other side of the ball in KC, it's a big cap hit in 2022 when the Mahomes and Thuney deals kick in and that gets even worse in 2023 and onward. I'm wondering how the Chiefs are gonna pay Brown past the first year. KC may have to shed some star contracts at other positions. As i was saying before, we'll have to wait and see.

Lamar around for awhile
Our thread buddy Zurk knows way back in 2019 that I figured Lamar for 5 years in Baltimore. I didn't exactly say why. But i will give you this interesting, perhaps cryptic tidbit. John Harbaugh has been quoted saying "We are the NFL Army."

[Kowani]

Both sides of the Deshaun Watson case have accused the other of destroying evidence

Lawyers on both sides of the sexual assault charges are this week accusing the other of destroying evidence.

During a Thursday status conference, Watson attorney Rusty Hardin said that some of the plaintiffs have been destroying or altering evidence. The attorney for the accusers, Tony Buzbee, denied that charge, accusing Hardin of issuing the allegations in order to make headway in the court of public opinion.

Buzbee has also accused Watson of erasing social-media messages he has sent to his accusers.The judge in the case ruled that both sides are on notice to preserve evidence. But of course, that statement cannot undo what each side has accused the other of already accomplishing.

Buzbee had said that a dozen of the accusers would attend the hearing; instead, reportedly, six women were present.

[Luminesa]

Both sides of the Deshaun Watson case have accused the other of destroying evidence

Lawyers on both sides of the sexual assault charges are this week accusing the other of destroying evidence.

During a Thursday status conference, Watson attorney Rusty Hardin said that some of the plaintiffs have been destroying or altering evidence. The attorney for the accusers, Tony Buzbee, denied that charge, accusing Hardin of issuing the allegations in order to make headway in the court of public opinion.

Buzbee has also accused Watson of erasing social-media messages he has sent to his accusers.The judge in the case ruled that both sides are on notice to preserve evidence. But of course, that statement cannot undo what each side has accused the other of already accomplishing.

Buzbee had said that a dozen of the accusers would attend the hearing; instead, reportedly, six women were present.

Well this is going nuclear faster than Chernobyl.

[Ranoria]

I 100% agree that the Ravens have the best analytics department, so that's fair. But man, Orlando Brown's just a beast.

Tough deal. If they can get better for it, oh well. Either way they're set as long as they keep Lamar around for awhile.

At best the Ravens would've gotten one more year out of OBJ on his rookie contract. Then he goes FA for a beast of a contract. Ravens have LT Ronnie Stanley already inked to a big 5 year deal. This is better than letting Brown go after 2021 and maybe at best receiving a 3rd round comp pick in return for his loss next year. Instead, Ravens can draft a fresh replacement with 1st round pick 27 or 31 and should the player pan out it's potentially 5 years on the rookie contract. Cap wise this is a good move by the Ravens, I just don't like him in KC.

On the other side of the ball in KC, it's a big cap hit in 2022 when the Mahomes and Thuney deals kick in and that gets even worse in 2023 and onward. I'm wondering how the Chiefs are gonna pay Brown past the first year. KC may have to shed some star contracts at other positions. As i was saying before, we'll have to wait and see.

Lamar around for awhile
Our thread buddy Zurk knows way back in 2019 that I figured Lamar for 5 years in Baltimore. I didn't exactly say why. But i will give you this interesting, perhaps cryptic tidbit. John Harbaugh has been quoted saying "We are the NFL Army."

You're thinking they'll draft another mobile QB to fill his shoes, basically? I have heard they stock up on mobile QBs for a similar reason, but I just don't think guys like Lamar Jackson come along very often. I don't even really like the Michael Vick comparisons. I still don't think Action Jackson's a polished passer, but he's leagues ahead of what Vick ever was in that department. I guess if they just don't want to shell out the 40 mil+, that makes sense, but man that would be a tough sell to the fanbase to get rid of your young, electric, MVP quarterback.

Edit - new poll! I'll do one for offense too, then we can go overall. Maybe with the best selectins from each or the best selection and the runner up?

[Jerzylvania]

At best the Ravens would've gotten one more year out of OBJ on his rookie contract. Then he goes FA for a beast of a contract. Ravens have LT Ronnie Stanley already inked to a big 5 year deal. This is better than letting Brown go after 2021 and maybe at best receiving a 3rd round comp pick in return for his loss next year. Instead, Ravens can draft a fresh replacement with 1st round pick 27 or 31 and should the player pan out it's potentially 5 years on the rookie contract. Cap wise this is a good move by the Ravens, I just don't like him in KC.

On the other side of the ball in KC, it's a big cap hit in 2022 when the Mahomes and Thuney deals kick in and that gets even worse in 2023 and onward. I'm wondering how the Chiefs are gonna pay Brown past the first year. KC may have to shed some star contracts at other positions. As i was saying before, we'll have to wait and see.

Lamar around for awhile
Our thread buddy Zurk knows way back in 2019 that I figured Lamar for 5 years in Baltimore. I didn't exactly say why. But i will give you this interesting, perhaps cryptic tidbit. John Harbaugh has been quoted saying "We are the NFL Army."

You're thinking they'll draft another mobile QB to fill his shoes, basically? I have heard they stock up on mobile QBs for a similar reason, but I just don't think guys like Lamar Jackson come along very often. I don't even really like the Michael Vick comparisons. I still don't think Action Jackson's a polished passer, but he's leagues ahead of what Vick ever was in that department. I guess if they just don't want to shell out the 40 mil+, that makes sense, but man that would be a tough sell to the fanbase to get rid of your young, electric, MVP quarterback.

Edit - new poll! I'll do one for offense too, then we can go overall. Maybe with the best selectins from each or the best selection and the runner up?

Not really. They have Tyler Huntley who has wowed them in practice. Some players actually say he's better than Lamar, which is a way out on a limb statement, but who really knows after 2020?

The Ravens may not want to get cap strapped down with another mammoth contract for a QB. The Joe Flacco thing is not a distant memory. On one play versus the Rams in 2015 he was injured and lost his mojo. His contract had years to go. All of this and Lamar has caused the Ravens to rethink the position.

The best place for Lamar is in Miami. He's from Miami and loves Miami. The Dolphins also have the draft capital to make that sort of trade. LJ put 59 points on them opening day in 2019 and they watched it in person with their own eyes.
I can't see a deal anywhere else. A move like this could make Miami a serious SB contender for years. Do i think it's good for the Ravens? Well, they'd have to score a boatload of picks including several #1 picks. Then it could be good. It all depends if they actually could run the offense as college teams do. New QBs every 3 or 4 years keeping the killer QB contract away that handcuffs your ability to acquire and hold other position playess. It's a radical idea and I'm not sure the fans will like it. We'll see.

[Ranoria]

You're thinking they'll draft another mobile QB to fill his shoes, basically? I have heard they stock up on mobile QBs for a similar reason, but I just don't think guys like Lamar Jackson come along very often. I don't even really like the Michael Vick comparisons. I still don't think Action Jackson's a polished passer, but he's leagues ahead of what Vick ever was in that department. I guess if they just don't want to shell out the 40 mil+, that makes sense, but man that would be a tough sell to the fanbase to get rid of your young, electric, MVP quarterback.

Edit - new poll! I'll do one for offense too, then we can go overall. Maybe with the best selectins from each or the best selection and the runner up?

Not really. They have Tyler Huntley who has wowed them in practice. Some players actually say he's better than Lamar, which is a way out on a limb statement, but who really knows after 2020?

The Ravens may not want to get cap strapped down with another mammoth contract for a QB. The Joe Flacco thing is not a distant memory. On one play versus the Rams in 2015 he was injured and lost his mojo. His contract had years to go. All of this and Lamar has caused the Ravens to rethink the position.

The best place for Lamar is in Miami. He's from Miami and loves Miami. The Dolphins also have the draft capital to make that sort of trade. LJ put 59 points on them opening day in 2019 and they watched it in person with their own eyes.
I can't see a deal anywhere else. A move like this could make Miami a serious SB contender for years. Do i think it's good for the Ravens? Well, they'd have to score a boatload of picks including several #1 picks. Then it could be good. It all depends if they actually could run the offense as college teams do. New QBs every 3 or 4 years keeping the killer QB contract away that handcuffs your ability to acquire and hold other position playess. It's a radical idea and I'm not sure the fans will like it. We'll see.

Definitely a radical idea and you're right, they'd have to get a wealth of draft capital for that move. It sounds great in theory - and the Ravens staff has shown the ability to adapt their offense drastically and rapidly - the problem is that they still have to hit on that quarterback. Mariota (as much as I love him), Winston, Goff, Rosen, Darnold - it's a tough position to hit on. And even if they hit, the chances of getting a guy who can produce like (not play like) Lamar Jackson is basically zero. And hey, don't count my boy Tua out yet! I think he's gonna light it up this season.

Interesting that people say Huntley is better than Lamar. I agree, way out on a limb, but I do like the kid.

edit - yeah as I posted this I realize that I missed some of what you were saying. If they've got a stable like that, and Huntley's ready to go for a few years (hell, they could probably get him on a 3 year cheap extension if they wanted), or they think he is even, then they won't have the offense Jackson provides I guess, but they'd still be ready to roll.

Genius.

[Jerzylvania]

Not really. They have Tyler Huntley who has wowed them in practice. Some players actually say he's better than Lamar, which is a way out on a limb statement, but who really knows after 2020?

The Ravens may not want to get cap strapped down with another mammoth contract for a QB. The Joe Flacco thing is not a distant memory. On one play versus the Rams in 2015 he was injured and lost his mojo. His contract had years to go. All of this and Lamar has caused the Ravens to rethink the position.

The best place for Lamar is in Miami. He's from Miami and loves Miami. The Dolphins also have the draft capital to make that sort of trade. LJ put 59 points on them opening day in 2019 and they watched it in person with their own eyes.
I can't see a deal anywhere else. A move like this could make Miami a serious SB contender for years. Do i think it's good for the Ravens? Well, they'd have to score a boatload of picks including several #1 picks. Then it could be good. It all depends if they actually could run the offense as college teams do. New QBs every 3 or 4 years keeping the killer QB contract away that handcuffs your ability to acquire and hold other position playess. It's a radical idea and I'm not sure the fans will like it. We'll see.

Definitely a radical idea and you're right, they'd have to get a wealth of draft capital for that move. It sounds great in theory - and the Ravens staff has shown the ability to adapt their offense drastically and rapidly - the problem is that they still have to hit on that quarterback. Mariota (as much as I love him), Winston, Goff, Rosen, Darnold - it's a tough position to hit on. And even if they hit, the chances of getting a guy who can produce like (not play like) Lamar Jackson is basically zero. And hey, don't count my boy Tua out yet! I think he's gonna light it up this season.

Interesting that people say Huntley is better than Lamar. I agree, way out on a limb, but I do like the kid.

edit - yeah as I posted this I realize that I missed some of what you were saying. If they've got a stable like that, and Huntley's ready to go for a few years (hell, they could probably get him on a 3 year cheap extension if they wanted), or they think he is even, then they won't have the offense Jackson provides I guess, but they'd still be ready to roll.

Genius.

Maybe.
The experience of the franchise goes another layer deeper. They won two SBs, and i alluded to the second and it's aftermath. But the first SB win was done with a journeyman QB who managed the offense. They weren't burdened with SB#2 win scenario. Foolishly they let Dilfer go after the season. Nevertheless, the team was able to keep their core defense together and add the likes of Ed Reed etc. But they stumbled replacing Dilfer with Grbac and Boller. Neither brought to the table Dilfer's managing skills. After that, the great D usually got them to the playoffs. But the offense failed until Flacco came along and they got Joe a guy named Anquon Boldin. Probably all Lamar needs is a WR like Boldin. Stay tuned, anything is possible at this point.

[Shazbotdom]

T-Minus 3 days until the beginning of the 2021 NFL Draft. Are we ready to 'Boo' Goodell?


#GoToHellGoodell

[Idzequitch]

T-Minus 3 days until the beginning of the 2021 NFL Draft. Are we ready to 'Boo' Goodell?


#GoToHellGoodell

Apparently he got fully vaccinated and is allowed to hug the players at the draft. I can't help but wonder how many players might wish he wasn't allowed to do that.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I have no stake in this draft (aside from the VERY overrated Kyle Pitts) and I'm still stressed out, this is going to be a very chaotic draft I feel.

Also people are saying that Kyle Trask looks like a Bill Belichick target. Laughable. No one knows how Palpatine thinks. And if for some reason he does go to the Pats then he's dead to me. RIP to the best Gators QB since Tebow (RIP Tebow's career).

[Ameriganastan]

Watch out for Brock Moxie.

[Zurkerx]

Watch out for Brock Moxie.

Oh shit...

T-Minus 3 days until the beginning of the 2021 NFL Draft. Are we ready to 'Boo' Goodell?


#GoToHellGoodell

Apparently he got fully vaccinated and is allowed to hug the players at the draft. I can't help but wonder how many players might wish he wasn't allowed to do that.

Probably a fair amount though who knows? I just hope the Eagles don't draft a QB: we need everything else but one.

[Shazbotdom]

T-Minus 3 days until the beginning of the 2021 NFL Draft. Are we ready to 'Boo' Goodell?


#GoToHellGoodell

Apparently he got fully vaccinated and is allowed to hug the players at the draft. I can't help but wonder how many players might wish he wasn't allowed to do that.

We'll see how many snub his attempts to hug them. That would be hilarious if it was most of them.

[Jerzylvania]

Apparently he got fully vaccinated and is allowed to hug the players at the draft. I can't help but wonder how many players might wish he wasn't allowed to do that.

We'll see how many snub his attempts to hug them. That would be hilarious if it was most of them.

One of them should kiss him. He might turn into a toad ...which is actually better than the snake he is.