California to house transgender inmates by gender identity

[West Leas Oros 2]

cringe

cringier

What ? I merely proposed a modest proposal to solve the problem.
Make the Trans prison have harder labor so no one lies to get into it.

I mean come on it solves the problem for all time and I earn a profit.

I applaud your ability to so flagrantly disregard morality.

[Greed and Death]

What ? I merely proposed a modest proposal to solve the problem.
Make the Trans prison have harder labor so no one lies to get into it.

I mean come on it solves the problem for all time and I earn a profit.

I applaud your ability to so flagrantly disregard morality.

I merely have a solution to the problem that just happens to profit me personally. Besides you know inevitability this will become normalized.

[Side 3]

It's one thing for post-transition people, but putting pre-transition ones in with women is just asking for trouble. Gender dysmorphia doesn't make you immune to producing testosterone, after all.

It's a similar argument about locker rooms and bathrooms too, which those were recycled homophobic talking points too. Life is funny like that.

It's not about the damn bathroom, it's about making trans people afraid to be themselves, especially in public, and also disgust. Transphobia comes from a place of disgust.

But the thing is, you don't get locked into the bathroom for several years. Male-on-male rape is common in prison just from sheer loneliness and unchecked testosterone build up; you really think that isn't going to apply to trans-women as well?

[West Leas Oros 2]

I applaud your ability to so flagrantly disregard morality.

I merely have a solution to the problem that just happens to profit me personally. Besides you know evitability this will become normalized.

I am aware of the high likelihood that the future will be a cyberpunk dystopia in which companies built on prison labor have a dominant position in society. I for one, await the day I live in what you might call, “Hyper-commodity Cocaine Anarcho-Capitalism”.

[Vassenor]

It's one thing for post-transition people, but putting pre-transition ones in with women is just asking for trouble. Gender dysmorphia doesn't make you immune to producing testosterone, after all.

It's a similar argument about locker rooms and bathrooms too, which those were recycled homophobic talking points too. Life is funny like that.

It's not about the damn bathroom, it's about making trans people afraid to be themselves, especially in public, and also disgust. Transphobia comes from a place of disgust.

But the thing is, you don't get locked into the bathroom for several years. Male-on-male rape is common in prison just from sheer loneliness and unchecked testosterone build up; you really think that isn't going to apply to trans-women as well?

And what data do you base this testosterone theory on?

[West Leas Oros 2]

It's one thing for post-transition people, but putting pre-transition ones in with women is just asking for trouble. Gender dysmorphia doesn't make you immune to producing testosterone, after all.

It's a similar argument about locker rooms and bathrooms too, which those were recycled homophobic talking points too. Life is funny like that.

It's not about the damn bathroom, it's about making trans people afraid to be themselves, especially in public, and also disgust. Transphobia comes from a place of disgust.

But the thing is, you don't get locked into the bathroom for several years. Male-on-male rape is common in prison just from sheer loneliness and unchecked testosterone build up; you really think that isn't going to apply to trans-women as well?

That raises a good question. Why DO we lock up people in a shitty place for years on end, where sheer loneliness and rape is a common occurrence?

[Esternial]

It's one thing for post-transition people, but putting pre-transition ones in with women is just asking for trouble. Gender dysmorphia doesn't make you immune to producing testosterone, after all.



But the thing is, you don't get locked into the bathroom for several years. Male-on-male rape is common in prison just from sheer loneliness and unchecked testosterone build up; you really think that isn't going to apply to trans-women as well?

That raises a good question. Why DO we lock up people in a shitty place for years on end, where sheer loneliness and rape is a common occurrence?

I reckon that questions warrants its own thread entirely, no?

[West Leas Oros 2]

That raises a good question. Why DO we lock up people in a shitty place for years on end, where sheer loneliness and rape is a common occurrence?

I reckon that questions warrants its own thread entirely, no?

Perhaps, but perhaps not. Admittedly, “abolish prison” does solve OP’s issue, so I’d say it’s a valid option. Think of it like an NS issue, somebody has a problem, you pick a solution, and the last option is always a radical option that involves major policy change!

[Greed and Death]

I merely have a solution to the problem that just happens to profit me personally. Besides you know evitability this will become normalized.

I am aware of the high likelihood that the future will be a cyberpunk dystopia in which companies built on prison labor have a dominant position in society. I for one, await the day I live in what you might call, “Hyper-commodity Cocaine Anarcho-Capitalism”.

If you buy in now you might be on the top.

[Side 3]

It's one thing for post-transition people, but putting pre-transition ones in with women is just asking for trouble. Gender dysmorphia doesn't make you immune to producing testosterone, after all.



But the thing is, you don't get locked into the bathroom for several years. Male-on-male rape is common in prison just from sheer loneliness and unchecked testosterone build up; you really think that isn't going to apply to trans-women as well?

And what data do you base this testosterone theory on?

Are you playing stupid or do you genuinely not know that testosterone leads to an increased sex drive and increased aggression?

That raises a good question. Why DO we lock up people in a shitty place for years on end, where sheer loneliness and rape is a common occurrence?

That's a question for someone smarter than me to debate you on.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I am aware of the high likelihood that the future will be a cyberpunk dystopia in which companies built on prison labor have a dominant position in society. I for one, await the day I live in what you might call, “Hyper-commodity Cocaine Anarcho-Capitalism”.

If you buy in now you might be on the top.

Maybe I’ll be first in line to genetically engineer myself into the Picardia ball...

[Auzkhia]

It's one thing for post-transition people, but putting pre-transition ones in with women is just asking for trouble. Gender dysmorphia doesn't make you immune to producing testosterone, after all.

It's a similar argument about locker rooms and bathrooms too, which those were recycled homophobic talking points too. Life is funny like that.

It's not about the damn bathroom, it's about making trans people afraid to be themselves, especially in public, and also disgust. Transphobia comes from a place of disgust.

But the thing is, you don't get locked into the bathroom for several years. Male-on-male rape is common in prison just from sheer loneliness and unchecked testosterone build up; you really think that isn't going to apply to trans-women as well?

I hate testosterone like any other self respecting tran, but it is not a monster drug that turns you into a sex fiend. Yes, it has effects on libido and mood. I know. But, proper socialization is key, and hell, under conventional gender roles, it is manly to be aggressive, to be a man is to be aggressive under that model. It's nurture than nature most of the time. Gender roles have overstated the prowess of androgenic (or hormonally biologically male in lay terms) bodies.

If you look through the thread you will see, that trans prisoners, especially trans female prisoners wrongly placed in men's prisons, are almost always the victims

[Side 3]

I hate testosterone like any other self respecting tran, but it is not a monster drug that turns you into a sex fiend. Yes, it has effects on libido and mood. I know. But, proper socialization is key, and hell, under conventional gender roles, it is manly to be aggressive, to be a man is to be aggressive under that model. It's nurture than nature most of the time. Gender roles have overstated the prowess of androgenic (or hormonally biologically male in lay terms) bodies.

It may not be a monster drug that inherently makes you a rapist, but it definitely does increase aggression when you let it fester for too long. And I'm not really sure socialization is going to be all that effective at stopping it. As Ian Malcom from Jurassic Park said, "Life finds a way."

If you look through the thread you will see, that trans prisoners, especially trans female prisoners wrongly placed in men's prisons, are almost always the victims

That is true, and it is something that needs to be dealt with. I think the best bet is to have micro-prisons exclusively for trans people. That way they can be kept and their needs can be met more effectively.

[Ethel mermania]

were you even born in 1981?

Yes.

Oh. Point withdrawn

[Major-Tom]

Hot take, but who cares? I hate when tiny but hair-triggering emotional issues like this are treated as an excuse for panic and outrage at an imaginary enemy.

I can see how this could be abused, but I trust the State of CA can figure this out for themselves and decide the best policy and best practices for this.

[Stellar Colonies]

This is certainly a thorny issue, and would most definitely make more sense for trans prisoners who have already transitioned. Although male on male and female on female rapes are a thing in prisons, we really don't want physically male and female prisoners together (since they'll also rape each other, perhaps at a higher rate than MoM and FoF ones).

[Auzkhia]

I hate testosterone like any other self respecting tran, but it is not a monster drug that turns you into a sex fiend. Yes, it has effects on libido and mood. I know. But, proper socialization is key, and hell, under conventional gender roles, it is manly to be aggressive, to be a man is to be aggressive under that model. It's nurture than nature most of the time. Gender roles have overstated the prowess of androgenic (or hormonally biologically male in lay terms) bodies.

It may not be a monster drug that inherently makes you a rapist, but it definitely does increase aggression when you let it fester for too long. And I'm not really sure socialization is going to be all that effective at stopping it. As Ian Malcom from Jurassic Park said, "Life finds a way."

If you look through the thread you will see, that trans prisoners, especially trans female prisoners wrongly placed in men's prisons, are almost always the victims

That is true, and it is something that needs to be dealt with. I think the best bet is to have micro-prisons exclusively for trans people. That way they can be kept and their needs can be met more effectively.

It still sounds like sexist rape apologetics to me. Like "boys will be boys", why not hold them accountable?

Or sort them with their real gender ie trans women in women's correctional facilities.

[Atheris]

There must be a third gender prisons for transexuals

How is being transexual a "third gender"?

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Cool. You'll see no complaints from me; let people be who they wanna be, man.

[Greed and Death]

It's one thing for post-transition people, but putting pre-transition ones in with women is just asking for trouble. Gender dysmorphia doesn't make you immune to producing testosterone, after all.



But the thing is, you don't get locked into the bathroom for several years. Male-on-male rape is common in prison just from sheer loneliness and unchecked testosterone build up; you really think that isn't going to apply to trans-women as well?

I hate testosterone like any other self respecting tran, but it is not a monster drug that turns you into a sex fiend. Yes, it has effects on libido and mood. I know. But, proper socialization is key, and hell, under conventional gender roles, it is manly to be aggressive, to be a man is to be aggressive under that model. It's nurture than nature most of the time. Gender roles have overstated the prowess of androgenic (or hormonally biologically male in lay terms) bodies.

The problem arises that people in prison whether Cis or Trans are not know for being particularly well socialized. Segregation by sex as opposed to gender also reduces the risk of pregnancy.

[New haven america]

There must be a third gender prisons for transexuals

Lotta prisons already have different sections of prisons for LGBT and Trans inmates.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So what's the evidence of people pretending to be trans to get into womens' prisons to rape?

ou don't need to put your hand on the burner to know it's a bad idea.

Y not?

[Broader Confederate States]

I hate testosterone like any other self respecting tran, but it is not a monster drug that turns you into a sex fiend. Yes, it has effects on libido and mood. I know. But, proper socialization is key, and hell, under conventional gender roles, it is manly to be aggressive, to be a man is to be aggressive under that model. It's nurture than nature most of the time. Gender roles have overstated the prowess of androgenic (or hormonally biologically male in lay terms) bodies.

The problem arises that people in prison whether Cis or Trans are not know for being particularly well socialized. Segregation by sex as opposed to gender also reduces the risk of pregnancy.

A lot of the people in prison aren't there for violent or especially sexual crime, a fair percentage are just drug offenses or even white-collar crime such as scamming or embezzlement.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

There must be a third gender prisons for transexuals

How is being transexual a "third gender"?

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Cool. You'll see no complaints from me; let people be who they wanna be, man.

You're nearly right. There should be unisex prisons, as well as the regular gender-segregated ones, and any prisoner from a men's or women's prison (whose offence was not a sexual one) should be allowed to move to a unisex prison.

And moved right back if they misbehave. It would be a "prison privilege".

It should not bother people that heterosexual encounters may happen in the unisex prison. Any more than it bothers them now that homosexual encounters can happen in a men's or women's prison.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The problem arises that people in prison whether Cis or Trans are not know for being particularly well socialized. Segregation by sex as opposed to gender also reduces the risk of pregnancy.

A lot of the people in prison aren't there for violent or especially sexual crime, a fair percentage are just drug offenses or even white-collar crime such as scamming or embezzlement.

Um, it's a pretty common assumption that speaking about "prison" we mean all kinds of prisons. Supermax for murderers or rapists, or other criminals who commit a serious crime in a lower security prison. Down to low security prisons for white collar criminals.

There is an argument (from equal punishment) that there should be only one kind of prison. But I choose not to make it just now.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

This is likely the demographic group most likely to accept or even request sterilization. Providing it when requested and after going through the current gate-keeping process would probably lower rates of transgender inmates raping by some amount.

Rape is already an issue in prisons; this will likely decrease rape of transgender inmates some amount while also increasing rape by transgender inmates by some amount. I am unsure if the net rape-rate will increase or decrease.

Chemical libido blockers would probably decrease rape in prisons, but many rapists probably rape partially out of sadistic nature; this also has an ethical issue. Maybe there could be a special prison for prisoners at high risk of raping or committing violent crimes in prison?