California to house transgender inmates by gender identity

[Vassenor]

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

Well first you need to prove that actually happens.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

Yes, actually. Never assume anything. If you make a claim, expect people to ask for proof. It’s basic logic.

[Ethical Anarchy]

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

You are in something called discussion and you shouldn’t have joined this one if you can’t defend your point with any evidence.

[Disgraces]

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

If your calling trans people violent, there is no evidence of that. If your saying that they're mentally ill, which I think your alluding to, I think..:

-American Psychological Association
-American Medical Association
-American Psychoanalytic Association
-Human Rights Campaign
-American Academy of Pediatrics
-American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians
-United Nations
-United Kingdom’s National Health Service

Would all disagree with you.

I'm calling criminals violent. And if you're saying gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness I can't help you.

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

Well first you need to prove that actually happens.

The very premise of this thread?

[Disgraces]

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

Yes, actually. Never assume anything. If you make a claim, expect people to ask for proof. It’s basic logic.

Why do I need to give proof for what I fucking believe? It's like saying you believe in God and someone asking you for proof.

[West Leas Oros 2]

If your calling trans people violent, there is no evidence of that. If your saying that they're mentally ill, which I think your alluding to, I think..:

-American Psychological Association
-American Medical Association
-American Psychoanalytic Association
-Human Rights Campaign
-American Academy of Pediatrics
-American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians
-United Nations
-United Kingdom’s National Health Service

Would all disagree with you.

I'm calling criminals violent. And if you're saying gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness I can't help you.

Well first you need to prove that actually happens.

The very premise of this thread?

Not all criminals are violent. As for claiming gender dysphoria is a mental illness, prove it.

[Necroghastia]

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

Except, by advocating the "birth sex is the only thing that matters" bit, you and OP are the ones advocating that.

[Vassenor]

If your calling trans people violent, there is no evidence of that. If your saying that they're mentally ill, which I think your alluding to, I think..:

-American Psychological Association
-American Medical Association
-American Psychoanalytic Association
-Human Rights Campaign
-American Academy of Pediatrics
-American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians
-United Nations
-United Kingdom’s National Health Service

Would all disagree with you.

I'm calling criminals violent. And if you're saying gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness I can't help you.

Well first you need to prove that actually happens.

The very premise of this thread?

I mean if you're literally prepared to disregard the general scientific consensus as soon as it becomes inconvenient for your narrative...

[Ariblanca]

If your calling trans people violent, there is no evidence of that. If your saying that they're mentally ill, which I think your alluding to, I think..:

-American Psychological Association
-American Medical Association
-American Psychoanalytic Association
-Human Rights Campaign
-American Academy of Pediatrics
-American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians
-United Nations
-United Kingdom’s National Health Service

Would all disagree with you.

I'm calling criminals violent. And if you're saying gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness I can't help you.

Well first you need to prove that actually happens.

The very premise of this thread?

Being trans and gender dysphoria are very different things you see. According to the NHS website, the british health service, it lists treatments for gender dysphoria as:

-Transitioning (with or without surgery)
-Hormone Blockers (for teenagers)
-Acceptance by the community
-Therapy
-Counselling

[Necroghastia]

Yes, actually. Never assume anything. If you make a claim, expect people to ask for proof. It’s basic logic.

Why do I need to give proof for what I fucking believe. It's like saying you believe in God and someone asking you for proof.

You're making a claim that this will cause men to be put with women, when in actuality that's what YOU are advocating.

[Ethical Anarchy]

Yes, actually. Never assume anything. If you make a claim, expect people to ask for proof. It’s basic logic.

Why do I need to give proof for what I fucking believe? It's like saying you believe in God and someone asking you for proof.

You need to give proof if your gonna continue talking, you can believe what you want but in a discussion you need something to prove what you are saying.

[Greed and Death]

Trans women just like cis women can commit rape. We do not know if this was just a normal prison rape where the suspect just happened to be trans or a cis man pretending to be trans to gain a safer environment and easier victims.

I mean, prisons are notorious for rape, among other crimes. This says a lot about prisons as an institution already...

Solution put trans people in their own prison. The problem will be solved then. In fact I will set up a private prison just for that.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Yes, actually. Never assume anything. If you make a claim, expect people to ask for proof. It’s basic logic.

Why do I need to give proof for what I fucking believe? It's like saying you believe in God and someone asking you for proof.

Beliefs should be based around the facts. Nobody believes something just because. What is your reason for your beliefs?

Also, I don’t ask people to “prove” that they believe in God, I ask if they have proof that God exists.

[Necroghastia]

I mean, prisons are notorious for rape, among other crimes. This says a lot about prisons as an institution already...

Solution put trans people in their own prison.

cringe

In fact I will set up a private prison just for that.

cringier

[Estanglia]

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

Luckily, you don't have to.

"Violent men" and "transgender people", shockingly enough, aren't the same group.

We're not talking about a decision to put violent men in with women, we're talking about a decision to put transgender people in the prison for the gender they identify as.

[Greed and Death]

Solution put trans people in their own prison.

cringe

In fact I will set up a private prison just for that.

cringier

What ? I merely proposed a modest proposal to solve the problem.
Make the Trans prison have harder labor so no one lies to get into it.

I mean come on it solves the problem for all time and I earn a profit.

[Estanglia]

If your calling trans people violent, there is no evidence of that. If your saying that they're mentally ill, which I think your alluding to, I think..:

-American Psychological Association
-American Medical Association
-American Psychoanalytic Association
-Human Rights Campaign
-American Academy of Pediatrics
-American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians
-United Nations
-United Kingdom’s National Health Service

Would all disagree with you.

I'm calling criminals violent. And if you're saying gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness I can't help you.

Is someone jailed for tax fraud violent?

[Vassenor]

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

Luckily, you don't have to.

"Violent men" and "transgender people", shockingly enough, aren't the same group.

We're not talking about a decision to put violent men in with women, we're talking about a decision to put transgender people in the prison for the gender they identify as.

Which is apparently the worst idea ever because of -checks notes- one incident of sexual assault.

[Greed and Death]

I'm calling criminals violent. And if you're saying gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness I can't help you.

Is someone jailed for tax fraud violent?

If you ask certain segments of the left avoiding taxation is the greatest crime off all.

[Disgraces]

I'm calling criminals violent. And if you're saying gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness I can't help you.

Is someone jailed for tax fraud violent?

Highly likely a right winger so yes.

[Ethical Anarchy]

Is someone jailed for tax fraud violent?

Highly likely a right winger so yes.

What does a being a right winger have to do with tax fraud?

[Greed and Death]

Highly likely a right winger so yes.

What does a being a right winger have to do with tax fraud?

There is a Lee Atwater interview in 1981.

[Esternial]

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

Except, by advocating the "birth sex is the only thing that matters" bit, you and OP are the ones advocating that.

Unpopular opinion aside, I think it does raise a good question: based on what criteria should we split incarcerated people into separate groups?

I'm leaning towards supporting "non-binary" prisons, as I don't expect cisgendered prison population to be wildly supportive of trans people in their midsts.

Makes me wonder if there have been studies that sought to find predictors for inmate-on-inmate violence (and how many of those would be physical, ideological, etc. traits)

EDIT: I did a quick Google and found the following document, which more or less concludes it's extremely difficult to find predictors in the inmates themselves, but rather suggests improving the prison condition can have a predictable (positive) impact.

[Ethel mermania]

What does a being a right winger have to do with tax fraud?

There is a Lee Atwater interview in 1981.

were you even born in 1981?

[Greed and Death]

There is a Lee Atwater interview in 1981.

were you even born in 1981?

Yes.