California to house transgender inmates by gender identity

[Vassenor]

Eleven transgender inmates sexually assaulted in male prisons last year

Eleven transgender prisoners were sexually assaulted in jails in England and Wales last year, it has emerged.

The figures, from the Ministry of Justice, cover inmates who were born and remained legally male but self-identified as female.

The total number of transgender victims far exceeds the number who were suspected of carrying out sex attacks, with only one such case in 2019.

The campaign group Stonewall called the figures "upsetting".

In a separate incident, it was unclear if the transgender individual involved was the assailant or the victim.

All of the alleged attacks occurred in the male prison estate, the prisons and probation minister Lucy Frazer said.

Last week, ministers revealed that out of 124 sexual assaults in five women's jails over the previous nine years, from 2010 to 2018, seven had been carried out by trans prisoners.

But remember, it's the trans inmates who are the bad ones.

[Auzkhia]

Ideally we abolish prisons, but if we must have them, at least make them a bit more humane, trans women are female and go with women, and trans men are male and go with the men.

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I can see both sides to this. Transgender inmates are oftentimes targeted for rape in a prison of there birth gender, but at the same point a cisgender person could just claim to be trans to get into the other genders prison. (Possibly to commit rape.)

Perhaps there should be transgender prisons? The comm uh unity is small enough to where they should only need to build one big one to house every trans inmate in the USA. And it would protect them from rape in a cisgender prison without opening the possibility for abuse.

There must be a third gender prisons for transexuals

An all trans prison?

That totally sounds like a fair and equitable treatment that won't turn into a concentration camp with cruel levels of neglect no-siree!

Though Scotland did announce a non-binary prison.

[Disgraces]

That's moronic.

[Ariblanca]

The logic that people will fake being trans is incredibly stupid. There have been no evidence of "trans-trending", and only 0.03% of people detransition after surgery/transitioning. This is a moral panic.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I could care less what they do in this regard. It’s still prison, and prisons are shitty. We need to change the way we do incarceration.

[Necroghastia]

I don’t think transgender persons should be housed alongside either men or women, but rather be placed within their own units.

Somehow I find this even more denigrating. Also, why?

If this cannot be done, then they should be placed alongside others of their birth sex.

Why?

However prisons need to be adequately equipped and prepared to deal with any assaults (sexual or otherwise) and unwelcome behaviour regardless, especially as transgender persons are likely targets for attack.

So, you understand that trans people are "likely targets," so why advocate placing trans women with men and trans men with women? Do you not realize that that will just make them stick out more?

[Necroghastia]

That's moronic.

OP's trans panic? Yes.

[Auzkhia]

The logic that people will fake being trans is incredibly stupid. There have been no evidence of "trans-trending", and only 0.03% of people detransition after surgery/transitioning. This is a moral panic.

It's a similar argument about locker rooms and bathrooms too, which those were recycled homophobic talking points too. Life is funny like that.

It's not about the damn bathroom, it's about making trans people afraid to be themselves, especially in public, and also disgust. Transphobia comes from a place of disgust.

[Ariblanca]

The logic that people will fake being trans is incredibly stupid. There have been no evidence of "trans-trending", and only 0.03% of people detransition after surgery/transitioning. This is a moral panic.

It's a similar argument about locker rooms and bathrooms too, which those were recycled homophobic talking points too. Life is funny like that.

It's not about the damn bathroom, it's about making trans people afraid to be themselves, especially in public, and also disgust. Transphobia comes from a place of disgust.

It's the same arguments each time: "people will fake being trans" and something about "basic biology". I would happily list all my sources about why that's wrong, but that'd derail the thread.

OP: if trans men/trans women just..went to the fucking prison they identified with, there is no harm done.

[Disgraces]

That's moronic.

OP's trans panic? Yes.

No.

[Ariblanca]

OP's trans panic? Yes.

No.

Responding with no isn't exactly much of an answer. Would you please explain why?

[West Leas Oros 2]

It's a similar argument about locker rooms and bathrooms too, which those were recycled homophobic talking points too. Life is funny like that.

It's not about the damn bathroom, it's about making trans people afraid to be themselves, especially in public, and also disgust. Transphobia comes from a place of disgust.

It's the same arguments each time: "people will fake being trans" and something about "basic biology". I would happily list all my sources about why that's wrong, but that'd derail the thread.

OP: if trans men/trans women just..went to the fucking prison they identified with, there is no harm done.

Actually there is a lot of harm done, because prisons are kind of notorious for being harmful and dangerous places.

[Vassenor]

OP's trans panic? Yes.

No.

Explain what makes it moronic then. With actual evidence.

[Necroghastia]

OP's trans panic? Yes.

No.

I can't fathom what else you could be referring to

[Ariblanca]

It's the same arguments each time: "people will fake being trans" and something about "basic biology". I would happily list all my sources about why that's wrong, but that'd derail the thread.

OP: if trans men/trans women just..went to the fucking prison they identified with, there is no harm done.

Actually there is a lot of harm done, because prisons are kind of notorious for being harmful and dangerous places.

Well that, I would happily get into why I think we should either abolish or seriously change how prisons are done, but that's not what were here for today.

[Disgraces]

No.

Explain what makes it moronic then. With actual evidence.

Evidence of what? I just think it's moronic and that's it.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Actually there is a lot of harm done, because prisons are kind of notorious for being harmful and dangerous places.

Well that, I would happily get into why I think we should either abolish or seriously change how prisons are done, but that's not what were here for today.

Well it’s what I’m here for. Anywhere there is talk of prisons, there is talk of reform. At least there ought to be.

[Ariblanca]

Explain what makes it moronic then. With actual evidence.

Evidence of what? I just think it's moronic and that's it.

And that's fine, but you just proved you don't have a source or evidence or even reasoning for it. Which you can do, but your argument loses all credibility.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Explain what makes it moronic then. With actual evidence.

Evidence of what? I just think it's moronic and that's it.

Well facts don’t care about your feelings.

[Necroghastia]

Explain what makes it moronic then. With actual evidence.

Evidence of what? I just think it's moronic and that's it.

Surely you have reasons to think that way. And any good reason is based on evidence.

[Vassenor]

Explain what makes it moronic then. With actual evidence.

Evidence of what? I just think it's moronic and that's it.

So you can't explain what makes it moronic.

[Greed and Death]

So what's the evidence of people pretending to be trans to get into womens' prisons to rape?

Transgender rapes woman

https://news.wttw.com/2020/02/19/lawsui ... der-inmate

Trans women just like cis women can commit rape. We do not know if this was just a normal prison rape where the suspect just happened to be trans or a cis man pretending to be trans to gain a safer environment and easier victims.

[Disgraces]

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Transgender rapes woman

https://news.wttw.com/2020/02/19/lawsui ... der-inmate

Trans women just like cis women can commit rape. We do not know if this was just a normal prison rape where the suspect just happened to be trans or a cis man pretending to be trans to gain a safer environment and easier victims.

I mean, prisons are notorious for rape, among other crimes. This says a lot about prisons as an institution already...

[Ariblanca]

Do I really need to explain why I think putting violent men with women is stupid?

If your calling trans people violent, there is no evidence of that. If your saying that they're mentally ill, which I think your alluding to, I think..:

-American Psychological Association
-American Medical Association
-American Psychoanalytic Association
-Human Rights Campaign
-American Academy of Pediatrics
-American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians
-United Nations
-United Kingdom’s National Health Service

Would all disagree with you.