Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict: The Great Betrayal

[SD_Film Artists]

The Azeri president will have some egg on his face after claiming that only the complete withdrawal of Armenian forces from Artsakh will be acceptable for a ceasefire. If the Armenians maintain an effective resistance then the Azeris may try to take a bit of land and then claim that they're stopping for humanitarian reasons.

Given Armenia's starting to play the game the way Baku has been so far (r. bombarding Stepanaterk last week) by attacking Ganje (which triggered Azeri Iranians so hard today), I doubt Baku will hold onto its occupied territories. I still hope that Russia will butt in and put Baku back in its place, but meh.

Armenia recieving material support from Russia and/or Iran but with no Russian soldiers on the ground (apart from their own base) would be the result that I'd guess Putin is banking on; Armenia retaining its territory while Russia can still pretend to be Turkey's friend. It's a shame for Armenia though as South Ossetia and Abkhazia was saved by Russia on the first day.

Artsakh has launched a volley against the Airport in Ganja, the main command for Azerbaijani drones and jets. The Airport is allegedly destroyed.

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[Insaanistan]

Given Armenia's starting to play the game the way Baku has been so far (r. bombarding Stepanaterk last week) by attacking Ganje (which triggered Azeri Iranians so hard today), I doubt Baku will hold onto its occupied territories. I still hope that Russia will butt in and put Baku back in its place, but meh.

Armenia recieving material support from Russia and/or Iran but with no Russian soldiers on the ground (apart from their own base) would be the result that I'd guess Putin is banking on; Armenia retaining its territory while Russia can still pretend to be Turkey's friend. It's a shame for Armenia though as South Ossetia and Abkhazia was saved by Russia on the first day.

Artsakh has launched a volley against the Airport in Ganja, the main command for Azerbaijani drones and jets. The Airport is allegedly destroyed.

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The reggae joke! Oh my God!

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Are you... comparing the Armenian struggle for national liberation to... ISIS?

Hakinda has a reputation for posting Erdoganist rhetoric, in particular regarding the Kurds and has before advocated for Turkish revanchism.

This means that you do not understand me. a little bit my fault cause my english is not good enough. You can be sure that I will never be in line with political Islam. I am sure that the imperialist Turkish enemies love political Islam the fake news they published are proof of this

[Katganistan]

What is with this hostility? Am I supposed to know every single political inclination of every single person here? Fuck's sake.

I'm not being Hostilee. HHDI has just been posting similarly stupid shit for the last 38 pages of this thread.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

[Rio Cana]

Armenia recieving material support from Russia and/or Iran but with no Russian soldiers on the ground (apart from their own base) would be the result that I'd guess Putin is banking on; Armenia retaining its territory while Russia can still pretend to be Turkey's friend. It's a shame for Armenia though as South Ossetia and Abkhazia was saved by Russia on the first day.




[insert raggae joke]

The reggae joke! Oh my God!

What is this Reggae joke all about??

Off-topic - Some Reggaeton from Florida - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWUrfcGfeo

[East Blepia]

Big news - Jabrayil, the second largest city in the imaginary 'Artsakh' with a population of about 9000 has been liberated by Azerbaijani forces

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Here's to Artsakh and Armenia. Good luck, and here's hoping it goes well for them.

[Salus Maior]

Big news - Jabrayil, the second largest city in the imaginary 'Artsakh' with a population of about 9000 has been liberated by Azerbaijani forces

We've already talked about how that's bullshit propaganda.

[Heloin]

Big news - Jabrayil, the second largest city in the imaginary 'Artsakh' with a population of about 9000 has been liberated by Azerbaijani forces

Azerbaijan has claimed this, Armenia says Cəbrayıl is still under their control. I can only assume that it hasn't fallen and it may soon, or there is currently fighting over it.

[New Rogernomics]

Big news - Jabrayil, the second largest city in the imaginary 'Artsakh' with a population of about 9000 has been liberated by Azerbaijani forces

It hasn't been 'liberated', as it will be ethnic cleansed of the residents, as occurred during the last war on both sides to varying degrees.

Azerbajian is a repressive dictatorship that wants this conflict to solidify it's power, and uses ethnic hatred to retain power at times of peace and war.

Armenia is a corrupt semi-democracy in Russia's orbit, which to a lesser extent relies on ethnic hatred too, and never offered Azeris a right to return after the war had ended - so they aren't so innocent either.

Do you really think either side will really 'win', and that Russia or Turkey will allow a victory to any great extent, as recent history in Georgia, Ukraine, and Syria shows otherwise.

I'd suggest a good read of George Orwell's 1984, or a watch of Brazil 1985. No one wins in this sort of war, unless by victory you mean the loss of thousands of lives, ruined towns and cities, and tens of thousands of refugees. Then when the dust settles, both regimes will claim victory whether over a few miles or a hundred, and everyones lives will be worse.

[Salus Maior]

I wouldn’t say that’s evoking religion into this conflict. The photo is badass though, not sure how licit it is in the Church context.

True it's not being presented as a 'crusade' overall, but it's certainlly one justification and ralling call for that audiance. As for how acceptable it is for the church, the Orthodox church are no strangers to cosplaying the Grimdark. Infact just a few months ago the Russian orthodox church gave an edict that while the blessing of weapons and other equipment is still permited, the blessing of nuclear weapons is now banned.

Just to clarify, the Armenian Apostolic Church is not "Orthodox", they are a member of a separate communion of Churches apart from the Russian Orthodox and others.

So their way of viewing doctrine may not be wholly in line with how Russians, Greeks, etc. view doctrine.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Big news - Jabrayil, the second largest city in the imaginary 'Artsakh' with a population of about 9000 has been liberated by Azerbaijani forces

We've already talked about how that's bullshit propaganda.

The so-called Nagorno-Karabakh republic does not even recognized in the international community.

[Salus Maior]

We've already talked about how that's bullshit propaganda.

The so-called Nagorno-Karabakh republic does not even recognize in the international community.

Yeah, another mistake of the international community. One of many.

[Albionist Great Britain]

The so-called Nagorno-Karabakh republic does not even recognize in the international community.

Yeah, another mistake of the international community. One of many.

It [also] doesn’t make Artsakh’s want for liberation from the Azeris any less valid.

[SD_Film Artists]

We've already talked about how that's bullshit propaganda.

The so-called Nagorno-Karabakh republic does not even recognized in the international community.

The prinicple of self-determination by a native people is recognised though.

[SD_Film Artists]

True it's not being presented as a 'crusade' overall, but it's certainlly one justification and ralling call for that audiance. As for how acceptable it is for the church, the Orthodox church are no strangers to cosplaying the Grimdark. Infact just a few months ago the Russian orthodox church gave an edict that while the blessing of weapons and other equipment is still permited, the blessing of nuclear weapons is now banned.

Just to clarify, the Armenian Apostolic Church is not "Orthodox", they are a member of a separate communion of Churches apart from the Russian Orthodox and others.

So their way of viewing doctrine may not be wholly in line with how Russians, Greeks, etc. view doctrine.

Ooh, I saw 'Oriental Orthodox' and assumed they'd be in a broadly similar vain.

[Rio Cana]

Found an eight year old article which says that Armenia had been having simulations on destroying Azerbaijans oil and gas infrastructure. A plan which would go into effect if thing went from bad to worse. They would only concentrate on destroying things that prop up the Azeri economy and not on cities with just civilians. Since Armenia has no oil or gas reserves, the same could not be done to them. Yes, they have a nuclear plant but if that nuclear plant is somehow damaged and leaks chances are it could contaminate Turkey which is nearby. It all depends on the wind.

[Rio Cana]

The so-called Nagorno-Karabakh republic does not even recognized in the international community.

The prinicple of self-determination by a native people is recognised though.

So if Azerbaijan sets a precedent by getting back Nagorno Karabakh (Artsakh), by forcing the people there out, then this could open the way for the Malvinas to once again be part of Argentina. Spain would also want Gibraltar back. So could Serbia then march into Kosovo. After all, Kosovo was Serbian controlled once.

[Salus Maior]

The prinicple of self-determination by a native people is recognised though.

So if Azerbaijan sets a precedent by getting back Nagorno Karabakh (Artsakh), by forcing the people there out, then this could open the way for the Malvinas to once again be part of Argentina. Spain would also want Gibraltar back. So could Serbia then march into Kosovo. After all, Kosovo was Serbian controlled once.

Artsakh was never Azeri. That's the problem.

This isn't reclamation, this is expansionism.

[Punished UMN]

Just to clarify, the Armenian Apostolic Church is not "Orthodox", they are a member of a separate communion of Churches apart from the Russian Orthodox and others.

So their way of viewing doctrine may not be wholly in line with how Russians, Greeks, etc. view doctrine.

Ooh, I saw 'Oriental Orthodox' and assumed they'd be in a broadly similar vain.

They are, but broadly similar in the same vein that Lutherans and Anglicans are broadly similar.

[Rio Cana]

So if Azerbaijan sets a precedent by getting back Nagorno Karabakh (Artsakh), by forcing the people there out, then this could open the way for the Malvinas to once again be part of Argentina. Spain would also want Gibraltar back. So could Serbia then march into Kosovo. After all, Kosovo was Serbian controlled once.

Artsakh was never Azeri. That's the problem.

This isn't reclamation, this is expansionism.

But it seems the Azeri government is going back to 1924 when the Soviets officially placed Nagorno Karabakh with Azerbaijan. It was autonomous but part of Azerbaijan. Seems the Armenians were not give control over the borders of there autonomous region while being part of Azerbaijan.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

So if Azerbaijan sets a precedent by getting back Nagorno Karabakh (Artsakh), by forcing the people there out, then this could open the way for the Malvinas to once again be part of Argentina. Spain would also want Gibraltar back. So could Serbia then march into Kosovo. After all, Kosovo was Serbian controlled once.

Artsakh was never Azeri. That's the problem.

This isn't reclamation, this is expansionism.

Again, you must take a history lesson. Please do not look at the problem in a religious or nationalist way.

[Punished UMN]

Artsakh was never Azeri. That's the problem.

This isn't reclamation, this is expansionism.

Again, you must take a history lesson. Please do not look at the problem in a religious or nationalist way.

I have looked into the history. The region was given to Azerbaijan by the USSR as a compromise gesture. It worked until the USSR collapsed and the locals (who were majority-Armenian) didn't want to be an ethnic minority, which triggered the war with Azerbaijan. There were many such cases in the FSU.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Artsakh was never Azeri. That's the problem.

This isn't reclamation, this is expansionism.

Again, you must take a history lesson. Please do not look at the problem in a religious or nationalist way.

I’m afraid you’re the one who needs a history lesson, Hakinda. This isn’t nationalism or religious, this is freeing the native Armenians from Azeri oppression.

[Heloin]

Artsakh was never Azeri. That's the problem.

This isn't reclamation, this is expansionism.

Again, you must take a history lesson. Please do not look at the problem in a religious or nationalist way.

The last time both Azerbaijan and Armenia where independent countries the Karabakh was in under Armenian control. During soviet rule the region was still under Armenia control as the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast within the Azerbaijan SSR. Finally the Nagorno-Karabakh has been running itself since before the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Karabakh is Armenia land unless you refuse to know the history.