Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict: The Great Betrayal

[The Rich Port]

Fake news sites in Russia, Armenia and other nations have continued to spread anti-Muslim propaganda and unconfirmed news stories portraying the conflict as a jihad against Christianity that has prompted support from right wing politicians in Europe, as well as Greek and Serbian right wing nationalists.

I mean - while that is almost certainly true - it doesn't mean that you're not the baddies in this conflict.

I think most Muslims are moderate, and frankly, victims of geopolitics and hierarchical systems that have kept them in stagnation.

We need more Ataturks and less Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadis, Saudis, and Ayatollahs.

Not that different from Christians and the cultural, oppressive hegemony they have maintained over most institutions. Fuck's sake, evolutionary theory wasn't an accepted theory in schools until the stupid Monkey Trials in America at the very least.

[Neanderthaland]

I mean - while that is almost certainly true - it doesn't mean that you're not the baddies in this conflict.

I think most Muslims are moderate, and frankly, victims of geopolitics and hierarchical systems that have kept them in stagnation.

We need more Ataturks and less Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadis, Saudis, and Ayatollahs.

Not that different from Christians and the cultural, oppressive hegemony they have maintained over most institutions. Fuck's sake, evolutionary theory wasn't an accepted theory in schools until the stupid Monkey Trials in America at the very least.

To be clear, I'm not arguing that "Muslims are the baddies," and my apologies if it came off that way.

But presumably they're saying this in defense of the policies of Turkey and Azerbaijan, which are not defensible.

[Lower Nubia]

Fake news sites in Russia, Armenia and other nations have continued to spread anti-Muslim propaganda and unconfirmed news stories portraying the conflict as a jihad against Christianity that has prompted support from right wing politicians in Europe, as well as Greek and Serbian right wing nationalists.

I mean, it’s highly unlikely Armenia would evoke religion in any official capacity. Armenia relies on relations with Iran to maintain supplies. Framing this as a religious conflict would alienate Iran, not benefit their essential relation.

[Insaanistan]

Fake news sites in Russia, Armenia and other nations have continued to spread anti-Muslim propaganda and unconfirmed news stories portraying the conflict as a jihad against Christianity that has prompted support from right wing politicians in Europe, as well as Greek and Serbian right wing nationalists.

I mean - while that is almost certainly true - it doesn't mean that you're not the baddies in this conflict.

I’m not Turkish/Azeri. This isn’t a Muslim war. I’m not dying for a Turkic nationalist’s dream.

[Insaanistan]

I mean - while that is almost certainly true - it doesn't mean that you're not the baddies in this conflict.

I think most Muslims are moderate, and frankly, victims of geopolitics and hierarchical systems that have kept them in stagnation.

We need more Ataturks and less Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadis, Saudis, and Ayatollahs.

Not that different from Christians and the cultural, oppressive hegemony they have maintained over most institutions. Fuck's sake, evolutionary theory wasn't an accepted theory in schools until the stupid Monkey Trials in America at the very least.

Are we “moderate”? No. Most of us are at least somewhat devout. Are we supporters of the people you named? Heck no.

[The Rich Port]

I think most Muslims are moderate, and frankly, victims of geopolitics and hierarchical systems that have kept them in stagnation.

We need more Ataturks and less Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadis, Saudis, and Ayatollahs.

Not that different from Christians and the cultural, oppressive hegemony they have maintained over most institutions. Fuck's sake, evolutionary theory wasn't an accepted theory in schools until the stupid Monkey Trials in America at the very least.

Are we “moderate”? No. Most of us are at least somewhat devout. Are we supporters of the people you named? Heck no.

You not being "moderate" is a you problem Supporting extremist actions isn't, yes.

All I gotta say about that is, don't make any deals with Vladimir fucking Putin or you're gonna regret them.

[Insaanistan]

Fake news sites in Russia, Armenia and other nations have continued to spread anti-Muslim propaganda and unconfirmed news stories portraying the conflict as a jihad against Christianity that has prompted support from right wing politicians in Europe, as well as Greek and Serbian right wing nationalists.

I mean, it’s highly unlikely Armenia would evoke religion in any official capacity. Armenia relies on relations with Iran to maintain supplies. Framing this as a religious conflict would alienate Iran, not benefit their essential relation.

I don’t think either government really cares about Islamophobia in Armenia.

[Loben III]

Are we “moderate”? No. Most of us are at least somewhat devout. Are we supporters of the people you named? Heck no.

You not being "moderate" is a you problem Supporting extremist actions isn't, yes.

All I gotta say about that is, don't make any deals with Vladimir fucking Putin or you're gonna regret them.

assad did and his head aint currently on a pike, good deal all around.

[Insaanistan]

Are we “moderate”? No. Most of us are at least somewhat devout. Are we supporters of the people you named? Heck no.

You not being "moderate" is a you problem Supporting extremist actions isn't, yes.

All I gotta say about that is, don't make any deals with Vladimir fucking Putin or you're gonna regret them.

Again, I’m not Turkish/Azeri or Turkic in general (at least to my knowledge). I don’t really support ether government. I certainly don’t support Putin. You guys ARE aware I’m American, right? If it’s not clear, I’ll try to add it to my sig.

[Insaanistan]

You not being "moderate" is a you problem Supporting extremist actions isn't, yes.

All I gotta say about that is, don't make any deals with Vladimir fucking Putin or you're gonna regret them.

assad did and his head aint currently on a pike, good deal all around.

I wish husband head was. May Syria be free someday.

[Loben III]

assad did and his head aint currently on a pike, good deal all around.

I wish husband head was. May Syria be free someday.

ah yes, worked out well in libya where there are open air slave markets! wonderful African tradition i hear that those idiots in the FSA wouldve allowed to fester should assad be dead.

[Washington Resistance Army]

assad did and his head aint currently on a pike, good deal all around.

I wish husband head was. May Syria be free someday.

Assad was and is pretty objectively the best choice to lead Syria. The rebels were infiltrated and filled with al-Qaeda types from day one.

[Insaanistan]

I wish husband head was. May Syria be free someday.

ah yes, worked out well in libya where there are open air slave markets! wonderful African tradition i hear that those idiots in the FSA wouldve allowed to fester should assad be dead.

Did I say “I hope the US invades Syria again”? No. Didn’t think so. Did you forget that a majority of those enslaved in Libya (and historically have been enslaved in Libya) are of MY ethnic group? Have yo seen my numerous posts criticizing African leaders? Or did you just decide “Let’s remind a 14 year old he probably has a cousin in slavery!”?

[Loben III]

ah yes, worked out well in libya where there are open air slave markets! wonderful African tradition i hear that those idiots in the FSA wouldve allowed to fester should assad be dead.

Did I say “I hope the US invades Syria again”? No. Didn’t think so. Did you forget that a majority of those enslaved in Libya (and historically have been enslaved in Libya) are of MY ethnic group? Have yo seen my numerous posts criticizing African leaders? Or did you just decide “Let’s remind a 14 year old he probably has a cousin in slavery!”?

heartbreaking.

[Insaanistan]

I wish husband head was. May Syria be free someday.

Assad was and is pretty objectively the best choice to lead Syria. The rebels were infiltrated and filled with al-Qaeda types from day one.

It’s not like the rebels were trying an “Islamic” separatist group, but when Muslims rise up, terrorists are always going to at least try to infiltrate their ranks.

[Insaanistan]

Did I say “I hope the US invades Syria again”? No. Didn’t think so. Did you forget that a majority of those enslaved in Libya (and historically have been enslaved in Libya) are of MY ethnic group? Have yo seen my numerous posts criticizing African leaders? Or did you just decide “Let’s remind a 14 year old he probably has a cousin in slavery!”?

heartbreaking.

[Loben III]

Assad was and is pretty objectively the best choice to lead Syria. The rebels were infiltrated and filled with al-Qaeda types from day one.

It’s not like the rebels were trying an “Islamic” separatist group, but when Muslims rise up, terrorists are always going to at least try to infiltrate their ranks.

like they always do?

Chechnya, the Balkans the current clusterfuck in Azerbaijan?

[The Rich Port]

assad did and his head aint currently on a pike, good deal all around.

I wish husband head was. May Syria be free someday.

Being American means you're usually apologetic in one way or another so we'll call the mistakes even. XD

I wish husband head was. May Syria be free someday.

Assad was and is pretty objectively the best choice to lead Syria. The rebels were infiltrated and filled with al-Qaeda types from day one.

Not in the long goddamn run, considering those al-Qaeda types infiltrated because nobody in Syria likes Assad except the Alawite minority and they're taking anybody that is helping knock him out of power.

Supporting dictators didn't work out in the 1960s and it ain't gonna work now.

ah yes, worked out well in libya where there are open air slave markets! wonderful African tradition i hear that those idiots in the FSA wouldve allowed to fester should assad be dead.

Did I say “I hope the US invades Syria again”? No. Didn’t think so. Did you forget that a majority of those enslaved in Libya (and historically have been enslaved in Libya) are of MY ethnic group? Have yo seen my numerous posts criticizing African leaders? Or did you just decide “Let’s remind a 14 year old he probably has a cousin in slavery!”?

All Muslims are evil to some ignorant people dontchaknow.

[Salus Maior]

Did I say “I hope the US invades Syria again”? No. Didn’t think so. Did you forget that a majority of those enslaved in Libya (and historically have been enslaved in Libya) are of MY ethnic group? Have yo seen my numerous posts criticizing African leaders? Or did you just decide “Let’s remind a 14 year old he probably has a cousin in slavery!”?

heartbreaking.

That's a bit harsh, don't you think?

[Loben III]

I wish husband head was. May Syria be free someday.

Being American means you're usually apologetic in one way or another so we'll call the mistakes even. XD

Assad was and is pretty objectively the best choice to lead Syria. The rebels were infiltrated and filled with al-Qaeda types from day one.

Not in the long goddamn run, considering those al-Qaeda types infiltrated because nobody in Syria likes Assad except the Alawite minority and they're taking anybody that is helping knock him out of power.

yes in the long run because probably by the end of the decade the FSA and other rebel groups will be hunted down, the west lost, big deal and the arab spring was a dismal fucking failure.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not in the long goddamn run, considering those al-Qaeda types infiltrated because nobody in Syria likes Assad except the Alawite minority and they're taking anybody that is helping knock him out of power.

Supporting dictators didn't work out in the 1960s and it ain't gonna work now.

Supporting dictators absolutley did work in the 1960's. Quite the opposite actually, countries only started turning into flaming messes that collapsed in on themselves when we started trying to force democracies onto them instead of just installing a pliable strongman.

[Shofercia]

https://www.dw.com/en/armenia-azerbaija ... a-55077936

The United Nations Security Council is expected to hold emergency talks on the Karabakh conflict on Tuesday, according to diplomats quoted by news agency AFP. The meeting, taken up at the request of France and Germany, will be held behind closed doors. Earlier on Monday, UN chief Antonio Guterres called for a ceasefire while in talks with the leaders of the two countries. Guterres stressed "the need for an immediate stop to the fighting and resumption without precondition of meaningful negotiations without delay under the umbrella of the Minsk Group co-chairs," said Guterres' spokesperson, Stephane Dujarric.

But how are they supposed to meet in Minsk, if they're sanctioned by Belarus? Plot twist!

Anyway, I think that someone wants to stay in power, and is creating a war to do so. It'd be awfully nice if he could stop, and if Erdogan could also stop, that'd be great:

While many in the international community urged for de-escalation, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan demanded Armenia end its "occupation" of Karabakh. "The time has come for the crisis in the region that started with the occupation of Nagorny Karabakh to be put to an end," Erdogan said. "Now Azerbaijan must take matters into its own hands."

Disclaimer: Hopefully, my use of commas in this post is not offensive to moderation.

[Lower Nubia]

I mean, it’s highly unlikely Armenia would evoke religion in any official capacity. Armenia relies on relations with Iran to maintain supplies. Framing this as a religious conflict would alienate Iran, not benefit their essential relation.

I don’t think either government really cares about Islamophobia in Armenia.

Like how neither government cares for Christophobia in Azerbaijan.

[Lower Nubia]

You not being "moderate" is a you problem Supporting extremist actions isn't, yes.

All I gotta say about that is, don't make any deals with Vladimir fucking Putin or you're gonna regret them.

Again, I’m not Turkish/Azeri or Turkic in general (at least to my knowledge). I don’t really support ether government. I certainly don’t support Putin. You guys ARE aware I’m American, right? If it’s not clear, I’ll try to add it to my sig.

If you’re American you should support the only actual democracy in this fight. The fact you’re playing pearl clutching centrist suggests you actually want Azerbaijan to “win” but cannot say it for fear of reprisal from this thread.

[Loben III]

Again, I’m not Turkish/Azeri or Turkic in general (at least to my knowledge). I don’t really support ether government. I certainly don’t support Putin. You guys ARE aware I’m American, right? If it’s not clear, I’ll try to add it to my sig.

If you’re American you should support the only actual democracy in this fight. The fact you’re playing pearl clutching centrist suggests you actually want Azerbaijan to “win” but cannot say it for fear of reprisal from this thread.

maybe a repeat of the Armenian genocide which the turks and the azeris oh so heroically deny take place.