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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:38 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:Turkey split in four parts


You’re just being fantastical.

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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:40 pm

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Baku isn’t being just. It has repeatedly shown its desire to ethnically cleansed Artsakh and commit atrocities upon the native Armenian people. A victory for Baku is a victory for terrorism, injustice and anti-humanitarianism.

BTW you implying that Ankara should be ashamed for “not being next to their brothers” seems to mean you’d like Armenia wiped off the map. Is that the case? You haven’t provided any evidence for the contrary.
No, Armenia is a democratic state, nobody should delete anyone from the map. I say that Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan according to international justice and historical facts. Turkey should be ashamed because it gives military support to the mercenary terrorists in Syria but does not give their brothers


And in this case what is internationally recognised is not just. Artsakh is Armenia, and the people have a right to choose to unite with their fellow Armenians without interference from the Azeris.

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:44 pm

What will be turkey fate if they lose the war

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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:45 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:What will be turkey fate if they lose the war


Turkey isn’t directly involved.

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:46 pm

How did turkey shit down a Armenian plane

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Postby ProbablySerrland » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:48 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:How did turkey shit down a Armenian plane


Did they? Armenia has a tendency to, shall we say, make unverifiable claims...

It's entirely possible, even plausible, but I'd be more comfortable waiting for international verification before jumping on to what the Armenian Defense Ministry says as gospel truth.

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:51 pm

It’s on CBS I wonder if that legitimate

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Postby ProbablySerrland » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:51 pm



Yes, it's well known that in 2015 the Turks shot down a Russian jet over Syria. Did you even watch the video? Or look at the date? Or remember when it happened? It was a huge deal back then... and some 5 years ago now.
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:52 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:How did turkey shit down a Armenian plane


I do not know the full extent of international law on the matter but Turkey has not declared a state of war existing between Turkey and Armenia, nor one issued by Armenia. Thus they’re not in the war.

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:53 pm

Ya the involvement will lead a bad outcome an invasion of turkey

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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:54 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:Ya the involvement will lead a bad outcome an invasion of turkey


It’s quite certain that it won’t. An invasion of Turkey is inconceivable and won’t occur given it’s the modern period and powers aren’t willing to declare such states of war between them and other powers.

I’ll also add that Turkey and Russia are major trading partners and growing closer in manners of speaking, so neither would be willing to go to war.
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Postby ProbablySerrland » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:55 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:Ya the involvement will lead a bad outcome an invasion of turkey


Erm...
Uh...

Who is going to invade Turkey because they're supporting Aliyev's Azeribaijan the way literally everyone knew they would?

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:55 pm

But the leader clearly say he has his full support for Azerbaijan

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:55 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I say that Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan according to international justice and historical facts.



I'm going to take a wild guess and say we're never going to hear what those "facts" are; perhaps at best a reference to the displaced Azeris while intentionally forgetting the Armenians who've lived there for longer.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:56 pm

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
ImperialRussia wrote:Turkey split in four parts


You’re just being fantastical.
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ImperialRussia wrote:What will be turkey fate if they lose the war


Turkey isn’t directly involved.
But they know to support terrorism in Syria, all of them are dire consequences of Islamic policy.
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:56 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:But the leader clearly say he has his full support for Azerbaijan


Yes, he has. And Russia wants a ceasefire because it values its relationship with both Armenia and Turkey.

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Postby Lower Nubia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:56 pm

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What?! Azerbaijan launches the first attack on the 27th. Who do you think started this?
you misunderstood me. There has been such a truth for 30 years, but for some reason they are defending their righteous cause now. Did they wait for the attack of Armenia or did the arms dealers run out of money ?


What? Azerbaijan are losing now. Their own plans were to gain 10-15 km’s into the occupied territory but have failed to reach that.

Azerbaijan have contravened International law by breaking the ceasefire set by the Minsk Group. As they did in 2016z
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Postby ProbablySerrland » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:56 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:But the leader clearly say he has his full support for Azerbaijan


...and? Turkish interference is definitely a complicating factor but I don't get how you end up at Turkey being invaded.

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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:57 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Albionist Great Britain wrote:
You’re just being fantastical.
Islamic traitors who want to divide Turkey, was running away from Istanbul with the British navy. History Repeats itself
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Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Turkey isn’t directly involved.
But they know to support terrorism in Syria, all of them are dire consequences of Islamic policy.


What are you talking about?

Regardless, off-topic.

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Postby Lower Nubia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:58 pm

ProbablySerrland wrote:
ImperialRussia wrote:How did turkey shit down a Armenian plane


Did they? Armenia has a tendency to, shall we say, make unverifiable claims...

It's entirely possible, even plausible, but I'd be more comfortable waiting for international verification before jumping on to what the Armenian Defense Ministry says as gospel truth.


Well, a Turkish F-16 did shoot down an Armenian Su-25. The attack happened within Azerbaijan territory and we don’t know the pilot. The plane, however, was Turkish, as Azerbaijan has no F-16s.

Edit: Su-25, not Su-24.
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Postby ProbablySerrland » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:59 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
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What?! Azerbaijan launches the first attack on the 27th. Who do you think started this?
you misunderstood me. There has been such a truth for 30 years, but for some reason they are defending their righteous cause now. Did they wait for the attack of Armenia or did the arms dealers run out of money ?

ImperialRussia wrote:This only outcome will be invasion of turkey with Greece,Georgia, Armenia,France and Russia
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Aliyev worrying because Petroleum and Natural Gas is wayyyyy way down with no signs of immediate recovery and looking to rally the country? Just spitballing here - I can't say I'm familiar with the Azerbaijani economy.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:01 pm

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The Americans and the Russians should fly a joint mission to bomb Ankara, and Baku, maybe just drop leaflets suggesting a cease fire within 12 hours the first time.

Turkey has made clear they are not going to stop, why should they? what incentive do they have for peace? They need to be given one.
With Turkophobia thoughts, you can continue to dream Pink dreams.Azerbaijan is determined in its just cause and will win. Turkey's government should be ashamed for not being next to their brothers.

You have convinced me. I started kind of neutral, if anything leaning towards the legal grounds of Azerbaijani, but based on what you and the other Azerbaijani supporters have written in responses, i am firmly on team bomb baku till they stop.
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Postby ProbablySerrland » Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:01 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
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Did they? Armenia has a tendency to, shall we say, make unverifiable claims...

It's entirely possible, even plausible, but I'd be more comfortable waiting for international verification before jumping on to what the Armenian Defense Ministry says as gospel truth.


Well, a Turkish F-16 did shoot down an Armenian Su-24. The attack happened within Azerbaijan territory and we don’t know the pilot. The plane, however, was Turkish, as Azerbaijan has no F-16s.


Is there international verification of this yet? I don't want to sound overly cynical, but this wouldn't be the first time Armenia has... let's say, over-exaggerated about this sort of thing. That being said, the Azeris do have a history of shooting down Armenian aircraft (see the 2014 helicopter incident).

I would just be more comfortable waiting for international, independent confirmation before trusting the Armenian Defense Ministry.

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