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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:21 pm

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Honestly what you'd need is another Khomeini, may he never find rest. Just attack them like a madman, throw bodies into the meat grinder to erect a Shia Minority government and "export" the Revolution. Hey, Eran is rightfully Iranian too so there's that.


I am fully prepared to support a revitalized Achaemenid Empire.

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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:21 pm

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The Restored Danelaw wrote:Honestly what you'd need is another Khomeini, may he never find rest. Just attack them like a madman, throw bodies into the meat grinder to erect a Shia Minority government and "export" the Revolution. Hey, Eran is rightfully Iranian too so there's that.


I am fully prepared to support a revitalized Achaemenid Empire.

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As would I. To be honest, I’d cheer it on with absolute sincerity despite it likely going against British interests.

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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:23 pm

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I am fully prepared to support a revitalized Achaemenid Empire.

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As would I. To be honest, I’d cheer it on with absolute sincerity despite it likely going against British interests.


With all respect to the British people, the interests of Britain have really screwed over the ME.

As has France for that matter. And of course America just makes everything worse.
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Postby Punished UMN » Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:23 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Khurrunos wrote:Russia, USA, France, UK, Armenia: Let's call a ceasefire and see if we can't talk about this a little.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54383543

Azerbaijan and Turkey: No.

https://www.axios.com/turkey-erdogan-op ... bd82f.html


The Americans and the Russians should fly a joint mission to bomb Ankara, and Baku, maybe just drop leaflets suggesting a cease fire within 12 hours the first time.

Turkey has made clear they are not going to stop, why should they? what incentive do they have for peace? They need to be given one.

The Turks would probably shoot them down tbh if that happened, they're not really slouches militarily. It would also ofc trigger Article 5.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:56 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
The Americans and the Russians should fly a joint mission to bomb Ankara, and Baku, maybe just drop leaflets suggesting a cease fire within 12 hours the first time.

Turkey has made clear they are not going to stop, why should they? what incentive do they have for peace? They need to be given one.

The Turks would probably shoot them down tbh if that happened, they're not really slouches militarily. It would also ofc trigger Article 5.


I doubt the turks have the capability to shoot steath bombers down, your second point leaflets my not trigger, but the 12 hour later bombs would. Though aside from the UN no one would care. And realistically a bombing, as much as I would enjoy it, isn't going to happen.


The problem is as long as turkey is comfortable playing one side off the other, they have no incentive to end the conflict till Azerbaijan triumphs
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Postby Punished UMN » Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:01 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:The Turks would probably shoot them down tbh if that happened, they're not really slouches militarily. It would also ofc trigger Article 5.


I doubt the turks have the capability to shoot steath bombers down, your second point leaflets my not trigger, but the 12 hour later bombs would. Though aside from the UN no one would care. And realistically a bombing, as much as I would enjoy it, isn't going to happen.


The problem is as long as turkey is comfortable playing one side off the other, they have no incentive to end the conflict till Azerbaijan triumphs

I don't know why you would assume they don't have the capability to shoot down 30 year old planes with some of the most modern equipment available.

Believe it or not, NATO would probably care about a NATO member being attacked. Plus Turkey has plenty of retaliatory capacity. Your idea is a dumb one.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:18 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
I doubt the turks have the capability to shoot steath bombers down, your second point leaflets my not trigger, but the 12 hour later bombs would. Though aside from the UN no one would care. And realistically a bombing, as much as I would enjoy it, isn't going to happen.


The problem is as long as turkey is comfortable playing one side off the other, they have no incentive to end the conflict till Azerbaijan triumphs

I don't know why you would assume they don't have the capability to shoot down 30 year old planes with some of the most modern equipment available.

Believe it or not, NATO would probably care about a NATO member being attacked. Plus Turkey has plenty of retaliatory capacity. Your idea is a dumb one.

F-35's are 30 years old?
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Postby Punished UMN » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:04 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:I don't know why you would assume they don't have the capability to shoot down 30 year old planes with some of the most modern equipment available.

Believe it or not, NATO would probably care about a NATO member being attacked. Plus Turkey has plenty of retaliatory capacity. Your idea is a dumb one.

F-35's are 30 years old?

I thought you meant B2's but F-35's have been detected on radar as well. Of course this also ignores that Turkey would just then easily capture the several thousand US troops and the 50 nuclear warheads at Incilrik air base.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:05 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Khurrunos wrote:Russia, USA, France, UK, Armenia: Let's call a ceasefire and see if we can't talk about this a little.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54383543

Azerbaijan and Turkey: No.

https://www.axios.com/turkey-erdogan-op ... bd82f.html


The Americans and the Russians should fly a joint mission to bomb Ankara, and Baku, maybe just drop leaflets suggesting a cease fire within 12 hours the first time.

Turkey has made clear they are not going to stop, why should they? what incentive do they have for peace? They need to be given one.
With Turkophobia thoughts, you can continue to dream Pink dreams.Azerbaijan is determined in its just cause and will win. Turkey's government should be ashamed for not being next to their brothers.
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:09 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
The Americans and the Russians should fly a joint mission to bomb Ankara, and Baku, maybe just drop leaflets suggesting a cease fire within 12 hours the first time.

Turkey has made clear they are not going to stop, why should they? what incentive do they have for peace? They need to be given one.
With Turkophobia thoughts, you can continue to dream Pink dreams.Azerbaijan is determined in its just cause and will win. Turkey's government should be ashamed for not being next to their brothers.


Baku isn’t being just. It has repeatedly shown its desire to ethnically cleansed Artsakh and commit atrocities upon the native Armenian people. A victory for Baku is a victory for terrorism, injustice and anti-humanitarianism.

BTW you implying that Ankara should be ashamed for “not being next to their brothers” seems to mean you’d like Armenia wiped off the map. Is that the case? You haven’t provided any evidence for the contrary.

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:13 pm

Vote for joe Biden the us military will get involved in the Middle East with Armenia

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:17 pm

Vote for Biden the US war industry in the US will go up in new levels involved with the Middle East with Biden more US soldiers will thrown and left over there in point less wars the us doesn’t need to get involved with.

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:19 pm

I hope you don’t PSTD seeing this

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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:20 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:Vote for joe Biden the us military will get involved in the Middle East with Armenia


Armenia isn’t in the ME region AFAIK. It’s Caucasia.

ImperialRussia wrote:Vote for Biden the US war industry in the US will go up in new levels involved with the Middle East with Biden more US soldiers will thrown and left over there in point less wars the us doesn’t need to get involved with.


I don’t believe Joe Biden has any plans to intervene in this conflict as it would go against American interests to do so.

ImperialRussia wrote:I hope you don’t PSTD seeing this


What on Earth are you blabbing about?

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Postby Lower Nubia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:22 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
The Americans and the Russians should fly a joint mission to bomb Ankara, and Baku, maybe just drop leaflets suggesting a cease fire within 12 hours the first time.

Turkey has made clear they are not going to stop, why should they? what incentive do they have for peace? They need to be given one.
With Turkophobia thoughts, you can continue to dream Pink dreams. Azerbaijan is determined in its just cause and will win. Turkey's government should be ashamed for not being next to their brothers.


You’ve been saying that for 30 years, and yet Azerbaijan has consistently failed. All Azerbaijan has managed to do is prove that they don’t deserve the land after clouting Convention 34 of the ECHR today with further civilian shelling. Oh what? Is only some International law to be adhered to?
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:22 pm

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:With Turkophobia thoughts, you can continue to dream Pink dreams.Azerbaijan is determined in its just cause and will win. Turkey's government should be ashamed for not being next to their brothers.


Baku isn’t being just. It has repeatedly shown its desire to ethnically cleansed Artsakh and commit atrocities upon the native Armenian people. A victory for Baku is a victory for terrorism, injustice and anti-humanitarianism.

BTW you implying that Ankara should be ashamed for “not being next to their brothers” seems to mean you’d like Armenia wiped off the map. Is that the case? You haven’t provided any evidence for the contrary.
No, Armenia is a democratic state, nobody should delete anyone from the map. I say that Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan according to international justice and historical facts. Turkey should be ashamed because it gives military support to the mercenary terrorists in Syria but does not give their brothers

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:With Turkophobia thoughts, you can continue to dream Pink dreams. Azerbaijan is determined in its just cause and will win. Turkey's government should be ashamed for not being next to their brothers.


You’ve been saying that for 30 years, and yet Azerbaijan has consistently failed. All Azerbaijan has managed to do is prove that they don’t deserve the land after clouting Convention 34 of the ECHR today with further civilian shelling. Oh what? Is only some International law to be adhered to?
This is controversial. Why are things flaring up now, I wonder which arms dealers profit from.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:25 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:You’ve been saying that for 30 years, and yet Azerbaijan has consistently failed. All Azerbaijan has managed to do is prove that they don’t deserve the land after clouting Convention 34 of the ECHR today with further civilian shelling. Oh what? Is only some International law to be adhered to?
This is controversial. Why are things flaring up now, I wonder which arms dealers profit from.


What?! Azerbaijan launches the first attack on the 27th. Who do you think started this?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:25 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:F-35's are 30 years old?

I thought you meant B2's but F-35's have been detected on radar as well. Of course this also ignores that Turkey would just then easily capture the several thousand US troops and the 50 nuclear warheads at Incilrik air base.

Incilrik is the reason any sort of military action on the part of the US would be suicdially foolish. (I can still dream)


The only action in the military realm the US could realistically take is to remove those weapons out of turkey. (Which I mentioned earlier).

My basic point was there is nothing short of the credible threat of a joint military action by the US and the russians that will slow down the turks, As turkey is very good at playing one off against the other.
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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:27 pm

And so the Russian collision should out of the question and ignored forever

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:30 pm

This only outcome will be invasion of turkey with Greece,Georgia, Armenia,France and Russia

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Postby Lower Nubia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:30 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:This only outcome will be invasion of turkey with Greece,Georgia, Armenia,France and Russia


That’s not going to happen.
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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:31 pm

Wonder if Iran will get involved against turkey

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:33 pm

Outcome russia regaining the black sea

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:33 pm

Turkey split in four parts

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:38 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:No, Armenia is a democratic state, nobody should delete anyone from the map. I say that Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan according to international justice and historical facts. Turkey should be ashamed because it gives military support to the mercenary terrorists in Syria but does not give their brothers

This is controversial. Why are things flaring up now, I wonder which arms dealers profit from.


What?! Azerbaijan launches the first attack on the 27th. Who do you think started this?
you misunderstood me. There has been such a truth for 30 years, but for some reason they are defending their righteous cause now. Did they wait for the attack of Armenia or did the arms dealers run out of money ?

ImperialRussia wrote:This only outcome will be invasion of turkey with Greece,Georgia, Armenia,France and Russia
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