Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict: The Great Betrayal

[Vapormancer]

The advisors they sent? The resupplies of ammunition? The test data for their suicide drones? Ah, just the open market! You are as impressive as ever Shof :^)

Typically when you sell a gun, you also sell the owner's manual, and the ammunition for it. That would mean that yes, Israel also sold ammunition and the test data. Are you unaware of what "backing to a hilt" means? When Belarus had protests, Russia kept outsiders from getting involved, and offered support - that's starting to approach "backing to a hilt" but not there yet. And were these drone sales limited to Azerbaijan, so much so that no other country bought them? Seems like you just want to take a dump on the Jewish state.

No they didn't. Ivan let the tough guy roast in his own juices before barely helping. You always impress with your historical retconns! Maybe next time you'll tell me how bravely Russia punished the Turks for seizing Syrian land. Hilarious.

[Novus America]

What good are those Turkish tanks when their guns will not be used for you, and more likely against you? If Russia attacked the Baltics Turkey would not fight to help NATO. Probably Turkey would more likely side with Russia against NATO and attack Greece. Turkey has sparred some with Russia on Syria but they have now divided it between them, Russia dominates Syria, and Turkey and Russia are largely in accord there.

Turkish strategy in Libya has not helped either, as the Tripoli government is no friend of NATO. Actually Haftar would be better.

France despite their past has been a better NATO ally than Turkey in the past decade or so. Check your calendar, your assessment is based on assumptions that existed in the past, but are long gone.

Although this is going a bit off topic, but siding with Turkey because they are our ally, makes no sense as they are now an ally in name only and really more an adversary.

Who is to say they won't be? The Turks are no friends of the Russians. Their military is friendly to us. Erdogan has S-400 not to protect against us but the majority of his officer corps he dismissed and had to call back hastily to do his bidding. It isn't an unreasonable fear that a Mehmetçik might decide he'll go down with the ship to take Erdogan out. If the Baltics were attacked, even Turkey in place to tie down Russian troops is a win. A force in being is better than not having one. It is certain better than having them definitely arrayed against you when we can't even escort our own ship convoys and our allies can barely piece together a hundred working tanks outside Poland. We are not in a good strategic position. That requires hard choices.

The Tripoli Government is the one we suicidal and insanely backed, the same as the Italians. If you think that is very stupid, perhaps you should consult the room temperature collective IQ of the State Department on that one. I agree with you but it is a bit late to pull the knife out of the back of Haftar, the guy we kept stateside and trained for this very moment. With an incoming Joe Biden administration, insane and retarded foreign policy moves are likely very much back on the menu so we have to make do with what we have.

France can't even keep enough fuel in production to run basic operations lol. They are pathetic dead weight not capable of wiping their own ass without Uncle Sam's help and sabotaging our admittedly insane and retarded foreign policy. But it is ours none the less. Wanting it to fail is another matter entirely. In which case, why do we not change course and we did we elect more insanity?

IF Erdogan falls Turkey might be any ally again. But Erdogan is an adversary. Sure many disagree with him, but he rules, not them. As long as Erdogan rules, Turkey is not a reliable ally.
But why should like Turkey backing Tripoli when Tripoli is not our friend, and Haftar could have been?
Yes Biden’s foreign policy will be a disaster but that hardly makes Erdogan our friend.

Turkey would not by tying down Russian troops if the are attacking Greece. We cannot rely on them.
Sure we cannot rely on France either, but they are still MORE reliable than Erdogan’s Turkey (sure that is an absurdly low bar to clear but still).

[Shofercia]

Typically when you sell a gun, you also sell the owner's manual, and the ammunition for it. That would mean that yes, Israel also sold ammunition and the test data. Are you unaware of what "backing to a hilt" means? When Belarus had protests, Russia kept outsiders from getting involved, and offered support - that's starting to approach "backing to a hilt" but not there yet. And were these drone sales limited to Azerbaijan, so much so that no other country bought them? Seems like you just want to take a dump on the Jewish state.

No they didn't. Ivan let the tough guy roast in his own juices before barely helping. You always impress with your historical retconns! Maybe next time you'll tell me how bravely Russia punished the Turks for seizing Syrian land. Hilarious.

So your rebuttal is a "No U" followed by "Russia ain't so tough!" That's sad, especially after you accused Russia of taking over France and Germany

[Vapormancer]

Who is to say they won't be? The Turks are no friends of the Russians. Their military is friendly to us. Erdogan has S-400 not to protect against us but the majority of his officer corps he dismissed and had to call back hastily to do his bidding. It isn't an unreasonable fear that a Mehmetçik might decide he'll go down with the ship to take Erdogan out. If the Baltics were attacked, even Turkey in place to tie down Russian troops is a win. A force in being is better than not having one. It is certain better than having them definitely arrayed against you when we can't even escort our own ship convoys and our allies can barely piece together a hundred working tanks outside Poland. We are not in a good strategic position. That requires hard choices.

The Tripoli Government is the one we suicidal and insanely backed, the same as the Italians. If you think that is very stupid, perhaps you should consult the room temperature collective IQ of the State Department on that one. I agree with you but it is a bit late to pull the knife out of the back of Haftar, the guy we kept stateside and trained for this very moment. With an incoming Joe Biden administration, insane and retarded foreign policy moves are likely very much back on the menu so we have to make do with what we have.

France can't even keep enough fuel in production to run basic operations lol. They are pathetic dead weight not capable of wiping their own ass without Uncle Sam's help and sabotaging our admittedly insane and retarded foreign policy. But it is ours none the less. Wanting it to fail is another matter entirely. In which case, why do we not change course and we did we elect more insanity?

IF Erdogan falls Turkey might be any ally again. But Erdogan is an adversary. Sure many disagree with him, but he rules, not them. As long as Erdogan rules, Turkey is not a reliable ally.
But why should like Turkey backing Tripoli when Tripoli is not our friend, and Haftar could have been?
Yes Biden’s foreign policy will be a disaster but that hardly makes Erdogan our friend.

Turkey would not by tying down Russian troops if the are attacking Greece. We cannot rely on them.
Sure we cannot rely on France either, but they are still MORE reliable than Erdogan’s Turkey (sure that is an absurdly low bar to clear but still).

They tie down Russian troops by dint of being a wildcard of hostility or neutrality. Either is to our advantage. How many troops is Greece worth? Not any at all. I would disagree, France under the reign of a man who chose to start a contest of strength with his own people after cutting police pensions and the places which make police gear is under the rule of somebody more unstable than even the Sultan. Even worse, he thinks that a token force of anything matters against a serious country.

Re Haftar, that horse left the stable. Our government chose to back Tripoli. You can not put back time. They saved our bacon, insane and dumb as it was. The US and Italy owe them for this.

I would like to live in a world where we did not have rabies for foreign policy but alas, I did not get that world. We have to deal with it as it is and in the frame work of actions which are possible. To that end, Turkey is more valuable than Greece or posturing over some skirmish between irrelevant countries in the middle of nowhere.

[Vapormancer]

No they didn't. Ivan let the tough guy roast in his own juices before barely helping. You always impress with your historical retconns! Maybe next time you'll tell me how bravely Russia punished the Turks for seizing Syrian land. Hilarious.

So your rebuttal is a "No U" followed by "Russia ain't so tough!" That's sad, especially after you accused Russia of taking over France and Germany

No, I accused Russia of punishing a country for crossing it. As for Turkey, it is a serious country, with serious leadership unlike France and Germany. That is ok Shof, I will walk you through step by step if you want. Or you can skip to the part where you try to mass report me and spare us both time!

[Novus America]

Again Turkey is more often WITH Russia than against it! Turkey is buying Russian weapons while threatening NATO member Greece! The idea that Turkey is now a reliable ally against Russia is simply false. They were are useful ally against the Soviets but the Soviet Union is dead, and more importantly Turkey is no longer ruled by secular pr western forces, but by an anti western Islamist. Who often sides WITH Russia.

Greece is not worth fighting over. Its a dead country trying to claw on to some oil fields its not capable of defending. We didn't care when they raided Cyprus, why would we care now? Regarding your opinion, yes you are right as to who is incharge but they have just as often fought and crossed swords with the Russians. It is still far more useful in the tent than against us.

But it Turkey fights Greece, NATO is dead. Killing NATO to keep Turkey friends with NATO makes no sense. Especially when Turkey is on longer a friend. Turkey is NOT in the tent. And is against us. Therein lies the problem.
You cannot save NATO by letting Turkey destroy it.

Turkey has some disagreements with Russia, but not because they support us. And they are more likely to side with Russia than oppose it when it comes to what matters.

But anyways this is a bit off topic, in that this war is over anyways. Sure we have no way to try to stop Turkey from backing Azerbaijan, given the war is over.
But we have many reasons to oppose Erdogan’s actions elsewhere.

[Vapormancer]

Greece is not worth fighting over. Its a dead country trying to claw on to some oil fields its not capable of defending. We didn't care when they raided Cyprus, why would we care now? Regarding your opinion, yes you are right as to who is incharge but they have just as often fought and crossed swords with the Russians. It is still far more useful in the tent than against us.

But it Turkey fights Greece, NATO is dead. Killing NATO to keep Turkey friends with NATO makes no sense. Especially when Turkey is on longer a friend. Turkey is NOT in the tent. And is against us. Therein lies the problem.
You cannot save NATO by letting Turkey destroy it.

Turkey has some disagreements with Russia, but not because they support us. And they are more likely to side with Russia than oppose it when it comes to what matters.

But anyways this is a bit off topic, in that this war is over anyways. Sure we have no way to try to stop Turkey from backing Azerbaijan, given the war is over.
But we have many reasons to oppose Erdogan’s actions elsewhere.

NATO members have had flare ups before, a conflict is not new. Also what is not new is a NATO member under a dicatorship, infact we used to like it. Nothing is new under the sun. I disagree regarding Russia but that is a matter of disagreement neither of us can prove beyond a few assertions.

Why would we oppose the bailing out of our insanity in Libya or backing of a buffer state in Syria to make Assad's life difficult? I thought we were supposed to be toppling Assad or some other such irresponsible thing? The Greece situation makes sense too if you don't want them reliant on Russian or Arab gas.

[Novus America]

IF Erdogan falls Turkey might be any ally again. But Erdogan is an adversary. Sure many disagree with him, but he rules, not them. As long as Erdogan rules, Turkey is not a reliable ally.
But why should like Turkey backing Tripoli when Tripoli is not our friend, and Haftar could have been?
Yes Biden’s foreign policy will be a disaster but that hardly makes Erdogan our friend.

Turkey would not by tying down Russian troops if the are attacking Greece. We cannot rely on them.
Sure we cannot rely on France either, but they are still MORE reliable than Erdogan’s Turkey (sure that is an absurdly low bar to clear but still).

They tie down Russian troops by dint of being a wildcard of hostility or neutrality. Either is to our advantage. How many troops is Greece worth? Not any at all. I would disagree, France under the reign of a man who chose to start a contest of strength with his own people after cutting police pensions and the places which make police gear is under the rule of somebody more unstable than even the Sultan. Even worse, he thinks that a token force of anything matters against a serious country.

Re Haftar, that horse left the stable. Our government chose to back Tripoli. You can not put back time. They saved our bacon, insane and dumb as it was. The US and Italy owe them for this.

I would like to live in a world where we did not have rabies for foreign policy but alas, I did not get that world. We have to deal with it as it is and in the frame work of actions which are possible. To that end, Turkey is more valuable than Greece or posturing over some skirmish between irrelevant countries in the middle of nowhere.

But Turkey would serve the same wild card value outside NATO. Sure Turkey being so damn crazy keeps Russia guessing, but they do not need to be in NATO to keep being a crazy rogue state that sometimes causes Russia trouble.

Greece is actually one of the better NATO militaries, but again selling them out to Turkey kills NATO. You give Greece to Turkey, NATO dies. Because what is the use of an alliance that fails to protect its own members?

And “owe” means nothing. We do not owe them anything for them saving the Tripoli regime, even if we recognize the Tripoli regime. Even it did help us, (it did not) we still do not need to repay them for being kind of on our side on a mistake.

Sure no need to start a fight with Turkey over this, but they are not our friends.

[Vapormancer]

They tie down Russian troops by dint of being a wildcard of hostility or neutrality. Either is to our advantage. How many troops is Greece worth? Not any at all. I would disagree, France under the reign of a man who chose to start a contest of strength with his own people after cutting police pensions and the places which make police gear is under the rule of somebody more unstable than even the Sultan. Even worse, he thinks that a token force of anything matters against a serious country.

Re Haftar, that horse left the stable. Our government chose to back Tripoli. You can not put back time. They saved our bacon, insane and dumb as it was. The US and Italy owe them for this.

I would like to live in a world where we did not have rabies for foreign policy but alas, I did not get that world. We have to deal with it as it is and in the frame work of actions which are possible. To that end, Turkey is more valuable than Greece or posturing over some skirmish between irrelevant countries in the middle of nowhere.

But Turkey would serve the same wild card value outside NATO. Sure Turkey being so damn crazy keeps Russia guessing, but they do not need to be in NATO to keep being a crazy rogue state that sometimes causes Russia trouble.

Greece is actually one of the better NATO militaries, but again selling them out to Turkey kills NATO. You give Greece to Turkey, NATO dies. Because what is the use of an alliance that fails to protect its own members?

And “owe” means nothing. We do not owe them anything for them saving the Tripoli regime, even if we recognize the Tripoli regime. Even it did help us, (it did not) we still do not need to repay them for being kind of on our side on a mistake.

Sure no need to start a fight with Turkey over this, but they are not our friends.

The Greeks can barely keep their 50 year old F-16s flying. They have zero spares. They are bankrupt, their demographics are very poor. Every year they keep being able to field less troops. They don't train with real bullets. They are upping spending now but they'll never be able to exceed point X without EU permission. Its a basket case economy. When weighed up, they aren't worth it. But then again, that goes for most NATO countries excepting a few. We only need the Turks because our defense and foreign policy is so insane that it compels it. Cut the gordian knot and then you have a point. Until then they are necessary evil. Regarding Tripoli, I disagree. We and the Italians shit the bed. They cleaned it up. You are arguing as if we have a rational State Department. We're strapped in this ride for better or for worse.

[Novus America]

But it Turkey fights Greece, NATO is dead. Killing NATO to keep Turkey friends with NATO makes no sense. Especially when Turkey is on longer a friend. Turkey is NOT in the tent. And is against us. Therein lies the problem.
You cannot save NATO by letting Turkey destroy it.

Turkey has some disagreements with Russia, but not because they support us. And they are more likely to side with Russia than oppose it when it comes to what matters.

But anyways this is a bit off topic, in that this war is over anyways. Sure we have no way to try to stop Turkey from backing Azerbaijan, given the war is over.
But we have many reasons to oppose Erdogan’s actions elsewhere.

NATO members have had flare ups before, a conflict is not new. Also what is not new is a NATO member under a dicatorship, infact we used to like it. Nothing is new under the sun. I disagree regarding Russia but that is a matter of disagreement neither of us can prove beyond a few assertions.

Why would we oppose the bailing out of our insanity in Libya or backing of a buffer state in Syria to make Assad's life difficult? I thought we were supposed to be toppling Assad or some other such irresponsible thing? The Greece situation makes sense too if you don't want them reliant on Russian or Arab gas.

Sure we have had issues before, but not any as bad as Erdogan. At least in the past 40 years or so. Again they did no bail us out, as although we recognize the Tripoli regime, we care little for it. Had Tripoli fallen we would have forgotten about it week later. And Turkey occupying part of Syria pisses off Assad, but Russia is fine with it.

And actually no, Turkey does not have its own gas. It moves Russian gas too.

Turkey opposing Greece building a gas pipeline to Israel hurts our attempts to reduce European reliance on Russian gas.

But these are all separate issues. I agree we had no ability to intervene in the Armenian Azerbaijan fight, and it is over anyways.
Although the problem is with Azerbaijan showing one can again go back to pre WWII type actions, is that more follow suit.

That is the problem, that other countries will now see war is the way to solve their perceived problems. But again the cat is out of the bag, the die is cast.

We just have to be ready for the dark days ahead, massively increased military spending, arm ourselves as best we can.
In a dog eat dog world, you have to be a big mean dog, or food. Armenia was not a big enough dog.

[Novus America]

But Turkey would serve the same wild card value outside NATO. Sure Turkey being so damn crazy keeps Russia guessing, but they do not need to be in NATO to keep being a crazy rogue state that sometimes causes Russia trouble.

Greece is actually one of the better NATO militaries, but again selling them out to Turkey kills NATO. You give Greece to Turkey, NATO dies. Because what is the use of an alliance that fails to protect its own members?

And “owe” means nothing. We do not owe them anything for them saving the Tripoli regime, even if we recognize the Tripoli regime. Even it did help us, (it did not) we still do not need to repay them for being kind of on our side on a mistake.

Sure no need to start a fight with Turkey over this, but they are not our friends.

The Greeks can barely keep their 50 year old F-16s flying. They have zero spares. They are bankrupt, their demographics are very poor. Every year they keep being able to field less troops. They don't train with real bullets. They are upping spending now but they'll never be able to exceed point X without EU permission. Its a basket case economy. When weighed up, they aren't worth it. But then again, that goes for most NATO countries excepting a few. We only need the Turks because our defense and foreign policy is so insane that it compels it. Cut the gordian knot and then you have a point. Until then they are necessary evil. Regarding Tripoli, I disagree. We and the Italians shit the bed. They cleaned it up. You are arguing as if we have a rational State Department. We're strapped in this ride for better or for worse.

Sure Greece has problems, but that is not the point. If we sell out the Greeks, the few allies worth something will no longer trust us. Sure we shit the bed in Tripoli, but the Turks cleaned nothing up, they saved the Tripoli regime, but in doing so simply dragged the civil war on, they did not end it. They did get the Tripoli regime in charge of more than Tripoli and its suburbs.

Anyways sure our foreign policy is a mess, but Turkey only makes it messier.

But again not really the topic. I agree we should not fight Turkey to stop a war Azerbaijan already won.
We just have to prepare for the precedent it sets.

[Shofercia]

So your rebuttal is a "No U" followed by "Russia ain't so tough!" That's sad, especially after you accused Russia of taking over France and Germany

No, I accused Russia of punishing a country for crossing it. As for Turkey, it is a serious country, with serious leadership unlike France and Germany. That is ok Shof, I will walk you through step by step if you want. Or you can skip to the part where you try to mass report me and spare us both time!

Odd, because I thought that we were talking about Israel, but apparently you cannot admit defeat, so when you lose, you simply launch into personal tirades and random charges.

[Novus America]

Anyways to keep on topic, Azerbaijan will keep Shusha/Shushi


“Mr. Putin said the new agreement requires both the Armenian and Azerbaijani armies to stop at their currently occupied positions. That cements in place the Azerbaijani capture on Sunday of a strategic town, known as Shusha to Azerbaijanis and Shushi to Armenians.”

“Underscoring the loss of Shusha, or Shushi, the agreement calls for a new section of access road to be built around the now Azerbaijani-controlled town, a dramatic loss for the ethnic Armenian cause in Nagorno-Karabakh.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... n.amp.html

Basically Azerbaijan keeps everything it took, including Shusha/Shushi as well as large amounts of additional territory.

This is definitely and Armenian defeat and surrender. Albeit a conditional surrender.

[Baltenstein]

So your rebuttal is a "No U" followed by "Russia ain't so tough!" That's sad, especially after you accused Russia of taking over France and Germany

No, I accused Russia of punishing a country for crossing it. As for Turkey, it is a serious country, with serious leadership unlike France and Germany. That is ok Shof, I will walk you through step by step if you want. Or you can skip to the part where you try to mass report me and spare us both time!

What is your marker for "serious countries" and "serious leaderships"? It can't be the economy, because Turkey's been going down the drain for years now, with rampant capital flight and currency devaluation. It can't be social cohesion, because Erdogan has been dividing, bullying and fear-mongering his own population for years now, with the absolute majority of Turks declaring that they would move abroad if they had the possibility. It can't be political stability either, because the workings of the Turkish government's inner power circle is a neverending part-byzantine, part-mafia and part circus clown show spirale - just yesterday, Erdogan's son-in-law got sacked from his prestigious gov post for reasons yet unknown.
Oh and it very obviously can't be stuff like civil rights, division of powers, transparency and so forth either.

So what is it? Who can bang his fists on the table in the most authoritarian and brutish way possible, in both domestic and foreign policy? If so yes, the Turkish leadership beats those of the other NATO countries by a long mile.

[Senkaku]

As for Turkey, it is a serious country, with serious leadership unlike France and Germany.

come on now dot png

[Faaruma]

So once again the West abandons a Christian nation....

[Albionist Great Britain]

The Aims of the Turkish Enemies are once again buried in history, long live a fully independent and just Azerbaijan. According to reports, the occupation forces will be withdrawn from Azerbaijani territory until December 1, 2020.

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Just another reminder that you always seem to need that you're supporting a war of extermination.

Armenia as a country is of no value. It is actually a colony, an outpost run from abroad, a territory artificially created on ancient Azerbaijani lands. - Ilham Aliyev, President of Azerbaijan

What’s funnier is that technically Azerbaijan exists on stolen land and its entire existence is that of a Turkic colony, an outpost of the Turk race. Not that Azerbaijan ever cared for historical accuracy, until they’re beaten down Baku will continue this revisionist nonsense until his dying breath.

[Faaruma]

The Aims of the Turkish Enemies are once again buried in history, long live a fully independent and just Azerbaijan. According to reports, the occupation forces will be withdrawn from Azerbaijani territory until December 1, 2020. Pashinyan fled to Sochi

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Have fun buying weapons from Israel and Pakistan. Scumbag nations go hand in hand.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Anyways to keep on topic, Azerbaijan will keep Shusha/Shushi


“Mr. Putin said the new agreement requires both the Armenian and Azerbaijani armies to stop at their currently occupied positions. That cements in place the Azerbaijani capture on Sunday of a strategic town, known as Shusha to Azerbaijanis and Shushi to Armenians.”

“Underscoring the loss of Shusha, or Shushi, the agreement calls for a new section of access road to be built around the now Azerbaijani-controlled town, a dramatic loss for the ethnic Armenian cause in Nagorno-Karabakh.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... n.amp.html

Basically Azerbaijan keeps everything it took, including Shusha/Shushi as well as large amounts of additional territory.

This is definitely and Armenian defeat and surrender. Albeit a conditional surrender.

For fucks sake.

[Tekke]

Armenia and Azerbaijan came to an agreement and the illegal occupation is coming to an end?

That's great news

I hope there will be no more bloodshed.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Armenia and Azerbaijan came to an agreement and the illegal occupation is coming to an end?

That's great news

I hope there will be no more bloodshed.

Supporting Baku is support for the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Artsakh and the Armenian nation. This is no different to supporting Hitler and ‘hoping’ he won’t exterminate the Juden.

[Tekke]

How come the illegal occupation was seen as such by the entire world, except for, well, Armenia?

[Novus America]

Anyways to keep on topic, Azerbaijan will keep Shusha/Shushi


“Mr. Putin said the new agreement requires both the Armenian and Azerbaijani armies to stop at their currently occupied positions. That cements in place the Azerbaijani capture on Sunday of a strategic town, known as Shusha to Azerbaijanis and Shushi to Armenians.”

“Underscoring the loss of Shusha, or Shushi, the agreement calls for a new section of access road to be built around the now Azerbaijani-controlled town, a dramatic loss for the ethnic Armenian cause in Nagorno-Karabakh.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... n.amp.html

Basically Azerbaijan keeps everything it took, including Shusha/Shushi as well as large amounts of additional territory.

This is definitely and Armenian defeat and surrender. Albeit a conditional surrender.

For fucks sake.

It is bad for Armenia to be sure, although a portion of Nagorno-Karabakh will continue exist as a Russian protectorate, it will lose all the areas of Nagorno-Karabakh Azerbaijan occupied as well as have to give up all surrounding territories it won in 1994.

But given Armenia had no other real choice, with Shusha/Shushi taken and no real outside support, it was surrender to keep a rump Nagorno-Karabakh alive, or keep fighting and lose it all.

As I mentioned, the scary thing is the precedent this sets, that you can again forcibly change the status quo in your favor v war, might makes right style, as was regularly done before WWII. Rather than negotiate you can simply get what land you want via war. And no one will stop you.
Many other countries have territorial claims to push, and the militarily, economically and diplomatic stronger country can simply go old school kill to get what it wants.

Any semblance of a rules based order is rapidly dying, replaced by a return of open dog eat dog warfare.

What other countries will follow suit? How will many smaller, less powerful countries survive short of becoming protectorates of the bigger ones?

[Novus America]

How come the illegal occupation was seen as such by the entire world, except for, well, Armenia?

It was more complicated than that. Obviously Armenia was not all in the right, but here international law showed a fatal contradiction, that “territorial sovereignty” and popular self determination are often at odds.

The old Nagorno-Karabakh had an ethnicity Armenia majority who did not want to be ruled by the hostile and authoritarian regime in Baku, and who have been forced from homes they lived in for their entire lives.
This started the fight after the Soviet Union fell.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_on_ ... ous_Oblast
Azerbaijan should not have tried to dissolve Nagorno-Karabakh, sure Armenia did some horrible stuff while stopping the dissolution and took far more than Nagorno-Karabakh but Azerbaijan caused a problem by trying to eliminate the region in the first place.

Changing the demographic make up of a place and taking what disputed land you want via force is something that fell out of favor (although admittedly sometimes still happened) after the end of WWII, because well this sort of thing started WWII.

So before you celebrate remember that. It seems fun when your are on the winning side, but wha happens when a bigger, stronger country has a claim against you? Then they can take what the want from you, force your people out, and you can do nothing to stop it. Irredentism and revanchism are a double edged sword. If you live by it, you may die by it, especially if you are not the most powerful.

[Faaruma]

How come the illegal occupation was seen as such by the entire world, except for, well, Armenia?

Like your rule of Northern Cyprus?????