Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict: The Great Betrayal

[Heloin]

Your saying that the people who live there shouldn't? Because the people who live there and have for generations are the ones who don't want Azerbaijan.

Then let's apply that universally to all such situations like this instead of selectively doing so.

I already do, unless your going to talk about using self determination to justify bigotry and hate. But I assume your talking about Russia and Crimea in which case your crying hypocrisy where none exists.

[People republie of alaska]

Well I do agree Russia and Iran for ceasefire I love war but I don't want civilians to be killed these nations shake to hands kill each other peace good idea in my mind

[People republie of alaska]

Turkey wants to make everything worse.

No, it doesn't. Turkey is just paying lip service to the "we support Azerbaijan" narrative that's universally popular in Turkey. Watch and see as Turkey does nothing.

Turkey is really not helping against this. Leave Armenia and Azerbaijan alone and go destroy turkey

Why, exactly?

It’s disappointing to see conflict once again engulfing these countries, but may victory be swift and in Armenia’s favour. The Azerbaijani aggressors shall hopefully soon realise their error of judgement.

Saying that, I hope to see Azerbaijan get screwed partially for the reason of Turkey backing it.

Wishing that a country gets screwed because another country supports it, hottest take thus far in this thread.

Armenia is in trouble. They have fewer soldiers, vehicles, and aircraft. So far as I can tell they only have one advantage - 4 modern su30 fighters. If pilots were well trained they can maintain air parody at least.

Numerically, yes, but I'm not particularly optimistic on part of Azerbaijan because, well, it's a lot more corrupt country than Armenia. You never know when several billion dollars meant for defence procurements could simply have gone missing with some jets, artillery pieces, or what have you simply haven't been bought.

If turkey intervenes, wouldn’t surprise me if Greece and Cyprus and other countries that hate Turkey would help Armenia, or a Kurdish independence war could really hurt

I suggest you return to the world of reality where people generally don't give so many fucks. Armenia and Azerbaijan clashing is barely news.

I personally wouldn’t see any of those happening, and nations on the side of Europe soiling things with Turkey would be bad for our interests with Turkey. Though we should definitely punish Turkey by sanctioning them for this.

Again, what does Turkey have anything to do with this at all?

On the bright side Erdogan is usually more bark than bite. He usually backs down whoever facing real opposition.
Given his massive diplomatic defeat in his confrontation with Greece, he probably wants to distract his people. But he does not want a real war.

None of the involved parties want a real war. Although it could get out of hand, more likely we have short term increase in tensions before backing down.

Of course you have an opinion on this matter, as well. Hey, at least it's not complete rubbish this time.

Not necessarily war with turkey, but they would stand at the side of Armenia. Maybe sanctioning turkey or sending goods to Armenia. Don’t expect money from Greece tho

So, pray tell, what does this have to do with Turkey?

Turkey makes itself look worse by acting aggressively towards Armenia. Armenia has the right to defend itself without Turkey jumping down its neck. Erdogan wishes to enflame the situation as always. That his passions are directed towards a people his ancestors genocided just makes it worse.

What does this have to do with Turkey?

he wants to finish the job, but erdogan won't succeed. We will never forget and forgive the Armenian genocide and all others like the big amount of greeks that were killed.

Oh, that's it. The "Armenian Genocide, Erdoğan wants to finish the job" narrative. Right, seeing you have no idea about modern Turkish history, I think we can easily discard whatever you type out right into the rubbish bin, then, without fear of losing anything worthwhile.

Same here Turkey wants to make everything worse I invade Syria for what Kurdish nation north Syria that nation Syrian army defending Kurdish nation it army if are nations in nation states were real country all of us invade Turkey any nation make any everything worse. that what I think

[Punished UMN]

Then let's apply that universally to all such situations like this instead of selectively doing so.

I already do, unless your going to talk about using self determination to justify bigotry and hate. But I assume your talking about Russia and Crimea in which case your crying hypocrisy where none exists.

That comment was not aimed at you, my friend, you are based.

[Salus Maior]

This. Will of the people and popular sovereignty are far more important than whatever geo political reasons(which lets be honest is the real reason Artsakh is recognized as Azerbaijan) the international community is up to.

I seem to remember a lot of people here throwing a fit about Russia doing the exact same thing that Armenia did in Artsakh in both 2014 and 2008.

Well, assuming you're talking about Georgia, there are other dimensions to that which are on the objectional side that aren't the case in Artsakh.

But regardless, that's not the subject of this thread. This is about Artsakh.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Is Russia gonna defend the Armenians?

[Salus Maior]

Is Russia gonna defend the Armenians?

One can hope.

[Rio Cana]

Khamenei's backing Azerbaijan

At least he says that the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan need to be made safe. The problem is that nations consider the territory of Artsakh has being part of Azerbaijan. They can go back historically to when the Soviets made it this way. No way around that it seems. For the international community what the population in Artsakh wants does not count. Only what the central government of Azerbaijan wants counts. The international community not wanting to make waves since some of those nations have problems with regions that want to breakaway, support Azerbaijan's claims.

The only possible way Armenia could get to annex Artsakh or at least half of it would be if they traded Azerbaijan the southernmost part of Syunik province. This would make it possible for Nakhichivan and Azerbaijan proper to be connected. It would also have Azerbaijan surround Armenia on three sides. Iran and Armenia would lose its border with Iran.

Map - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ailway.png

[Novus America]

Is Russia gonna defend the Armenians?

Doubt it. Putin has been sticking to his line that the disputed territories are not Armenia.

[The Restored Danelaw]

I wonder what Armenia tries to achieve by attacking civilian cities such as Barda a few days ago.
Maybe to provoke Azerbaijan to reciprocate and attack cities in Armenia proper to get Russia involved?

To feed the circle of hate since they can't do much about the drones?
Armenia shot down a few Antonow An-2s claiming these were TB-2 drones.

Anyway I hope for this conflict and illegal armenian occupation to end as soon as possible.

Given Baku started the current conflict by bombing civilian zones, I'm not sure you have any legs to stand on. Laws of War exist for a reason, and once someone breaks them, retaliation of the same kind is well justified, though questionable in morality.

[Rio Cana]

Some days ago the Azeris confirmed the destruction of an Armenian Russian Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile-gun by one of there Turkish drones. It has been confirmed that it was not Russian but an Iranian Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile-gun. And it was located on the border but in Iranian territory. Has we all know, Iran has said that they would not stand still if they were attacked mistake or not. I actually do not think they will do anything but if they wanted they could use this has an excuse to get back at Azerbaijan. The Azeri forces move away from that area after it was confirmed that Iran had been hit.

Story - https://en.newizv.ru/news/world/02-11-2 ... o-karabakh

[Rio Cana]

We all seem to be talking about Armenia and Azerbaijan but what about Artsakh. What do we actually know about Artsakh which is in the middle of all this. Seems little attention is paid to them.

Artsakh is a multi-party democracy. For a small populated nation they have five political parties.
Read this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... in_Artsakh

Artsakh had a general election on March 2020 -
Read this on that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Arts ... l_election

In comparison Azerbaijan has a little over 60 political parties but

Azerbaijan is a one party dominant state. Opposition parties against the New Azerbaijan Party are functioning, but are widely considered to have no real chance of gaining power.

In comparison,

Armenia has a multi-party system with numerous political parties, who mostly work with each other to form coalition governments, with some parties having a history of changing in and out of government functions.

For those that have not seen the Pres. of Artsakh speaking in public here is your chance. This is from October 2020. He is the one wearing glasses. -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NubvC6Lgs4

[Dakran]

Well, in a completely unexpected turn of events, System of a Down just dropped some music in favor of the Armenians over there. Pretty banger song, ngl.

https://twitter.com/systemofadown/statu ... 6893186049

[Salus Maior]

Well, in a completely unexpected turn of events, System of a Down just dropped some music in favor of the Armenians over there. Pretty banger song, ngl.

https://twitter.com/systemofadown/statu ... 6893186049

Based.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Well, in a completely unexpected turn of events, System of a Down just dropped some music in favor of the Armenians over there. Pretty banger song, ngl.

https://twitter.com/systemofadown/statu ... 6893186049

Based.

I mean we shouldn't be surprised. They are Armenian(-American).

[Dakran]

Based.

I mean we shouldn't be surprised. They are Armenian(-American).

I somehow wasn't aware of this until last night, but upon learning it makes complete sense.

[Kowani]

A Christian relief organization is airlifting 11+ tons of winter clothing to aide Armenian civilians

[Salus Maior]

A Christian relief organization is airlifting 11+ tons of winter clothing to aide Armenian civilians

That's good, of course.

Personally, I'd be sending Stingers.

[The Huskar Social Union]

A Christian relief organization is airlifting 11+ tons of winter clothing to aide Armenian civilians

Thats nice of them.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

A Christian relief organization is airlifting 11+ tons of winter clothing to aide Armenian civilians

That's good, of course.

Personally, I'd be sending Stingers.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

A Christian relief organization is airlifting 11+ tons of winter clothing to aide Armenian civilians

They're gonna need it.

[Dakran]

A Christian relief organization is airlifting 11+ tons of winter clothing to aide Armenian civilians

That's good to hear, but the cynic in me is expecting someone to intercept the shipment and prevent it from arriving.

[Albionist Great Britain]

A Christian relief organization is airlifting 11+ tons of winter clothing to aide Armenian civilians

What Armenia truly needs is anti-drone equipment to deal with the Turks’ drone strikes.

[Kowani]

A Christian relief organization is airlifting 11+ tons of winter clothing to aide Armenian civilians

What Armenia truly needs is anti-drone equipment to deal with the Turks’ drone strikes.

For obvious reasons, the Samaritan's Purse does not carry that.

[Albionist Great Britain]

What Armenia truly needs is anti-drone equipment to deal with the Turks’ drone strikes.

For obvious reasons, the Samaritan's Purse does not carry that.

I know, but it’s unfortunate regardless. The relief fund is still doing good, but I think Armenia will need more of something else to win this war.