Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict: The Great Betrayal

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Cacausus people, maybe? No racism intended.

The Original Caucasians

The census must be easy for Armenians.

[Rio Cana]

According to a Spanish language youtube news source, the pres. of Azerbaijan has given another ultimatum to Armenia to surrender or face total destruction. That Armenia needs to accept defeat and then leave the occupied territories. That this is a war between Armenian and Azerbaijan which means third parties should not get involved. Some might think this ultimatum could be an Azeri trick. That they are bluffing. But it seems Azerbaijan and Turkey have agreed to work together to take Artsakh. Currently it is said that the Azeri forces control 20% of Artsakh and are only a few km's. from the Capital City. If that falls, which is a shame since the city was rebuilt after the last war, morale for the Armenians living in Artsakh will greatly fall.

The youtube source but its in Spanish - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNjuWcPfUfo

Found a site in English on the internet (avia-pro.net) which also says the same thing but my PC does not want to open the page due to outdated certificate. Chances are the site is Azeri.

[Rio Cana]

Update - The same news source from my last post says Armenia and the US talked about sending regular US troops to Artsakh in order to establish a ceasefire. Even the news source says its unlikely it will take place since there might not be an Artsakh in the next few weeks. So far they say 75% of Artsakh multiple missile launchers have been destroyed due to no longer having air defenses. Majority of there missile artillery destroyed and what they had has an air force destroyed. Thus, they cannot make offensive attacks. They say the Azeris with there constant attacks have worn down Artsakhs defenses. The Azeris are planning a major offensive, supposedly, with Turkish involvement.

[Shofercia]

According to a Spanish language youtube news source, the pres. of Azerbaijan has given another ultimatum to Armenia to surrender or face total destruction. That Armenia needs to accept defeat and then leave the occupied territories. That this is a war between Armenian and Azerbaijan which means third parties should not get involved. Some might think this ultimatum could be an Azeri trick. That they are bluffing. But it seems Azerbaijan and Turkey have agreed to work together to take Artsakh. Currently it is said that the Azeri forces control 20% of Artsakh and are only a few km's. from the Capital City. If that falls, which is a shame since the city was rebuilt after the last war, morale for the Armenians living in Artsakh will greatly fall.

The youtube source but its in Spanish - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNjuWcPfUfo

Found a site in English on the internet (avia-pro.net) which also says the same thing but my PC does not want to open the page due to outdated certificate. Chances are the site is Azeri.

It seems that the president of Azerbaijan, who's thoroughly backed by Turkey, is claiming that other powers, like Turkey, shouldn't intervene, do I have that right? Perhaps Putin should attack a couple more of Erdogan's "Freedom" Fighters in Syria, since, apparently, the message was not received. "Don't start shit in the Caucasus" - is there something unclear about that? Because it seems like a rather clear cut message.

Update - The same news source from my last post says Armenia and the US talked about sending regular US troops to Artsakh in order to establish a ceasefire. Even the news source says its unlikely it will take place since there might not be an Artsakh in the next few weeks. So far they say 75% of Artsakh multiple missile launchers have been destroyed due to no longer having air defenses. Majority of there missile artillery destroyed and what they had has an air force destroyed. Thus, they cannot make offensive attacks. They say the Azeris with there constant attacks have worn down Artsakhs defenses. The Azeris are planning a major offensive, supposedly, with Turkish involvement.

Is Mikhail Saakasvhili in charge of this offensive? To quote Sergey Lavrov, Russia's top diplomat:

Translation: "yep, they're idiots..."

On the upside, thank you for keeping us updated Rio!

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Update - The same news source from my last post says Armenia and the US talked about sending regular US troops to Artsakh in order to establish a ceasefire. Even the news source says its unlikely it will take place since there might not be an Artsakh in the next few weeks. So far they say 75% of Artsakh multiple missile launchers have been destroyed due to no longer having air defenses. Majority of there missile artillery destroyed and what they had has an air force destroyed. Thus, they cannot make offensive attacks. They say the Azeris with there constant attacks have worn down Artsakhs defenses. The Azeris are planning a major offensive, supposedly, with Turkish involvement.

Oh no, the next Armenian genocide is coming.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

With how much the US loves staging coups against leaders, I’m surprised Erdogan is still president. The attempt a few years ago was so bad it was laughable

[Thermodolia]

With how much the US loves staging coups against leaders, I’m surprised Erdogan is still president. The attempt a few years ago was so bad it was laughable

I don’t believe that a was a real coup attempt but a false flag designed to allow Erdogan to purge the military

[Borderlands of Rojava]

With how much the US loves staging coups against leaders, I’m surprised Erdogan is still president. The attempt a few years ago was so bad it was laughable

Many think erdogan himself stirred that up. His own Reichstag fire.

[Kowani]

Aliyev says they’ll “fight to the end” if no agreement is reached.

[Shofercia]

With how much the US loves staging coups against leaders, I’m surprised Erdogan is still president. The attempt a few years ago was so bad it was laughable

Many think erdogan himself stirred that up. His own Reichstag fire.

The coup was ordered by Gulenists, who attempted to take power in Turkey. It was started by Gulen, who's boldly hiding in the US. Obama's refusal to extradite Gulen after the failed coup remains one of the sour points between US and Turkey. In response Erdogan got the OIC to designate Gulenist Movement as a terrorist group. And of course, Edrogan being Erdogan, any guesses who whom he also blamed for collaborating with Gulen? Yep, the Kurds.

Gulenists have a beef with Russia, since they've assassinated Russia's Ambassador to Turkey, Andrei Karlov, allegedly in response to Putin warning Erdogan about the coup. Naturally New York Times and Gulenist terrorists claimed that it was really Russia's targeting of Aleppo, which, in a comical fashion, resembled Erdogan's attempt to blame the Kurds. The SpetzNaz promptly eliminated the murderer's wing, thus further weakening Gulenist Movement, but few bought Erdogan's attempt to link Gulenist Movement to the Kurds, or New York Times' attempt to link it to Aleppo.

So yes, there was an actual coup that failed, quite miserably. And, in spite of Erdogan's antics, stopping the coup was probably the right thing to do, because the alternative was Erdogan who's also a genuine religious fanatic and is gleeful about murder. So when NSGers say "let's coup him" let's at least hope it's someone like Kemalists, rather than Gulenists, that are behind the coup, so that things get better, not worse.

[Salus Maior]

Aliyev says they’ll “fight to the end” if no agreement is reached.

Seems like Aliyev is scared that the Russians will intervene.

[The Marlborough]

Aliyev says they’ll “fight to the end” if no agreement is reached.

Seems like Aliyev is scared that the Russians will intervene.

Hopefully they do.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/11/03/e ... expansion/

Like many of my predictions, this came true. I knew Erdogan was trying to go Ottoman.

[The Restored Danelaw]

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/11/03/erdogan-turkey-territory-expansion/

Like many of my predictions, this came true. I knew Erdogan was trying to go Ottoman.

Honestly anyone who unironically thought Turkey -not just Erdogan's, Turkey as a country respects the territorial integrity or national sovereignty of any other nation is just naive. Turkey's done nothing but working against the sovereignty of its neighbors, from funding Pan-Turkic and Separatist movements in Azerbaijan and claiming territories of neighbor states like Greece to actively occupying and colonising territories of other states (i.e. Iraq, Syria and Cyprus). They knew they were free to do this the moment the US put nukes in the straits.

[Albionist Great Britain]

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/11/03/erdogan-turkey-territory-expansion/

Like many of my predictions, this came true. I knew Erdogan was trying to go Ottoman.

Honestly anyone who unironically thought Turkey -not just Erdogan's, Turkey as a country respects the territorial integrity or national sovereignty of any other nation is just naive. Turkey's done nothing but working against the sovereignty of its neighbors, from funding Pan-Turkic and Separatist movements in Azerbaijan and claiming territories of neighbor states like Greece to actively occupying and colonising territories of other states (i.e. Iraq, Syria and Cyprus). They knew they were free to do this the moment the US put nukes in the straits.

I don’t like to think Turkey as a nation is a threat to human good.
But...
I’m starting to think Turkey as a nation is a threat to human good.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/11/03/erdogan-turkey-territory-expansion/

Like many of my predictions, this came true. I knew Erdogan was trying to go Ottoman.

Honestly anyone who unironically thought Turkey -not just Erdogan's, Turkey as a country respects the territorial integrity or national sovereignty of any other nation is just naive. Turkey's done nothing but working against the sovereignty of its neighbors, from funding Pan-Turkic and Separatist movements in Azerbaijan and claiming territories of neighbor states like Greece to actively occupying and colonising territories of other states (i.e. Iraq, Syria and Cyprus). They knew they were free to do this the moment the US put nukes in the straits.

Turkey has a history of imperialism. The kings of the gulf states are stupid for trusting them.

[Rio Cana]

Seems like Aliyev is scared that the Russians will intervene.

Hopefully they do.

According to a news talk program on DW (German News), they say the Russian leader does not want to get involved since he does not want to drive Azerbaijan into the arms of NATO.

[Salus Maior]

Hopefully they do.

According to a news talk program on DW (German News), they say the Russian leader does not want to get involved since he does not want to drive Azerbaijan into the arms of NATO.

That didn't really stop Putin from attacking Ukraine.

[Shofercia]

According to a news talk program on DW (German News), they say the Russian leader does not want to get involved since he does not want to drive Azerbaijan into the arms of NATO.

That didn't really stop Putin from attacking Ukraine.

Ukraine had a "Government" that was couped-in by NATO member states, so that was a different scenario. I think that Putin's waiting to see what will come of this Azeri assault, because Aliev tends to talk a lot of smack, but he has yet to back it up. If Aliev's assault fails, then Putin can get aid to Nagorno-Karabakh as part of an international medical aid mission, and if Azeri mercs attack international soldiers delivering aid, they're fair game, and won't survive for very long.

[Panslavicland]

Hopefully they do.

According to a news talk program on DW (German News), they say the Russian leader does not want to get involved since he does not want to drive Azerbaijan into the arms of NATO.

That doesn't seem likely as the reason, but if the conflict continues that's certainly in Russia's strategic interest so I don't see why they should be in any rush to end it until some positive outcomes have been achieved, like the Armenian government collapsing or Turkey becoming further alienated from the rest of NATO. And both countries will look to Russia to replace arms expended and destroyed in the conflict so that's a nice bit of business right there.

[Kowani]

Finally, some good news: Both sides have agreed to avoid targeting residential areas.

I expect news showing the Turks lied by the afternoon.

2 days.

[Dakran]

So, assuming Azerbaijan doesn't do anything to trigger Russian intervention, what's the outcome looking like for Karabakh? Nothing good I'm imagining so far.

[Rio Cana]

The outlook will be a massive exit from Artsakh of ethnic Armenians into Armenia proper. It will cause the region to become even more militarized since Armenia will not feel safe after this. They will think after this that they cannot really count on the Russians. Yes, I think this playing both sides will backfire on Russia at least when it comes to Armenia. One thing, without this Artsakh problem, Armenia can join NATO which will provide better protection against Turkey. Currently, after many years Georgia is still waiting to be accepted.

[Heloin]

The outlook will be a massive exit from Artsakh of ethnic Armenians into Armenia proper. It will cause the region to become even more militarized since Armenia will not feel safe after this. They will think after this that they cannot really count on the Russians. Yes, I think this playing both sides will backfire on Russia at least when it comes to Armenia. One thing, without this Artsakh problem, Armenia can join NATO which will provide better protection against Turkey. Currently, after many years Georgia is still waiting to be accepted.

Turkey would never accept it and Armenia would never join so long as Turkey is a part.

[Dakran]

The outlook will be a massive exit from Artsakh of ethnic Armenians into Armenia proper. It will cause the region to become even more militarized since Armenia will not feel safe after this. They will think after this that they cannot really count on the Russians. Yes, I think this playing both sides will backfire on Russia at least when it comes to Armenia. One thing, without this Artsakh problem, Armenia can join NATO which will provide better protection against Turkey. Currently, after many years Georgia is still waiting to be accepted.

Turkey would never accept it and Armenia would never join so long as Turkey is a part.

Honestly, I'm surprised Turkey is even still IN NATO. What with its constant issues with Greee, another member, and if I'm correct, illegal invasion of Cyprus.