Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict: The Great Betrayal

[Farnhamia]

I’m certain that’s a crime against humanity or war crime. Attacking places of worship is strictly forbidden in war.

But the UN isn’t going to be able to do jack shit, which is very infuriating.

I hope im not living through the end of Armenia. Knowing 2020, the year ends with Azerbaijan, Turkey and ISIS the Turkish Free Syrian Army turning Armenia into a crater and erasing all traces of Armenians from existence.

That would be difficult, at best, since more Armenians live in France and the US than live in Armenia itself.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I hope im not living through the end of Armenia. Knowing 2020, the year ends with Azerbaijan, Turkey and ISIS the Turkish Free Syrian Army turning Armenia into a crater and erasing all traces of Armenians from existence.

That would be difficult, at best, since more Armenians live in France and the US than live in Armenia itself.

I'm certain Armenians will continue but will the country of Armenia?

[Insaanistan]

Qur’ân: “Protect mosques, churches, synagogues and temples everywhere.”
Turkey and Azerbaijan:

The Quran: "All races are equal."

Turkey: "So Arabs are inferior monkeys and killing Armenians is generally good, right?"

This

[Farnhamia]

That would be difficult, at best, since more Armenians live in France and the US than live in Armenia itself.

I'm certain Armenians will continue but will the country of Armenia?

Sure, because if things get bad, the leader of the free-ish world, Vladimir Putin, will intervene.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'm certain Armenians will continue but will the country of Armenia?

Sure, because if things get bad, the leader of the free-ish world, Vladimir Putin, will intervene.

Hope so

[Albionist Great Britain]

I’m certain that’s a crime against humanity or war crime. Attacking places of worship is strictly forbidden in war.

But the UN isn’t going to be able to do jack shit, which is very infuriating.

I hope im not living through the end of Armenia. Knowing 2020, the year ends with Azerbaijan, Turkey and ISIS the Turkish Free Syrian Army turning Armenia into a crater and erasing all traces of Armenians from existence.

Knowing London, those worthless pieces of shit aren’t going to make a peep over the ensuing genocide if Baku wins.

[Novus America]

That would be difficult, at best, since more Armenians live in France and the US than live in Armenia itself.

I'm certain Armenians will continue but will the country of Armenia?

Thankfully it will. Armenia (in its international recognized borders which do not include Artsakh/Karabakh) is part of CSTO, Russia’s NATO equivalent. While Russia is not to be trusted, they will not be able to sit back if the main part of Armenia, where they have a base, is attacked. Not because of morals, but beverages it would make them look really weak.

Artsakh/Karabakh is at serous risk though, but not the internationally recognized part of Armenia.
But Russia is not going to defend Artsakh/Karabakh which Russia treats as part of Azerbaijan.

[Novus America]

Sure, because if things get bad, the leader of the free-ish world, Vladimir Putin, will intervene.

Hope so

He basically has to. Armenia (but NOT the disputed areas being fought over) has a treaty of alliance with Russia and a Russian basis. Putin cares nothing about civilian deaths or such, but if Azerbaijan attacks Armenia’s Russian recognized part, he will have to intervene to avoid Russia looking too weak.

He will do it only to save face and protect his base.

So the Armenians in the Russian part of Armenia will be safe. But those in the disputed areas not recognized by Russia are screwed.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Russia has military bases in Armenia, if Azerbaijan fully invaded Armenia i can absolutely see them getting involved, especially if Turkey steps up its support and gets involved openly.


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[Borderlands of Rojava]

Hope so

He basically has to. Armenia (but NOT the disputed areas being fought over) has a treaty of alliance with Russia and a Russian basis. Putin cares nothing about civilian deaths or such, but if Azerbaijan attacks Armenia’s Russian recognized part, he will have to intervene to avoid Russia looking too weak.

He will do it only to save face and protect his base.

So the Armenians in the Russian part of Armenia will be safe. But those in the disputed areas not recognized by Russia are screwed.

So this is how the NK conflict concludes itself. Damn

[Insaanistan]

Russia has military bases in Armenia, if Azerbaijan fully invaded Armenia i can absolutely see them getting involved, especially if Turkey steps up its support and gets involved openly.

Surely Aliyev and Erdogan wouldn’t do that! No, they are good Muslim rulers who only want peace and j-
I’m sorry! I’m sorry! I couldn’t say that with a straight face!

[Insaanistan]

He basically has to. Armenia (but NOT the disputed areas being fought over) has a treaty of alliance with Russia and a Russian basis. Putin cares nothing about civilian deaths or such, but if Azerbaijan attacks Armenia’s Russian recognized part, he will have to intervene to avoid Russia looking too weak.

He will do it only to save face and protect his base.

So the Armenians in the Russian part of Armenia will be safe. But those in the disputed areas not recognized by Russia are screwed.

So this is how the NK conflict concludes itself. Damn

Maybe Rouhani will frick with Azerbaijan the country a bit to gain more support back in Tehran. I doubt it, but it’s possible.

[Shofercia]

Sure, because if things get bad, the leader of the free-ish world, Vladimir Putin, will intervene.

Hope so

Putin ain't too happy with Erdogan right now: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/ ... -to-ankara

But a deadly Russian air strike that took out dozens of Turkish-backed rebel fighters in northwest Syria on Monday has marked a significant escalation. Observers say the attack in the Jabal al-Dweila area, which targeted a military training camp for Failaq al-Sham, one of the largest Turkey-backed armed groups in the area, was a “message” to Ankara. As Turkey’s closest proxy in Idlib province, this “wasn’t a Russian attack on the Syrian opposition as much as it was a direct hit against – and message to – Turkey”, Charles Lister, director of the US-based Middle East Institute, told Al Jazeera.

Given the “enormity” of the attack, which killed at least 35 fighters and wounded more than 50, Lister said it is possible that wider geopolitics may have pushed Russia to strike. Though Russia – a staunch ally of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad – and Turkey negotiated a fragile ceasefire in Idlib, which largely held since March this year, the latest escalation points to signs of strain over Turkey’s involvement in various battles. Most notably, in the Caucasus, where Ankara has declared support for Azerbaijan in its fight against Armenia in the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region.

Putin didn't give a shit about all of NATO when his allies in South Ossetia were hit. Do you think he's going to care about Azerbaijan and Turkey?

Other experts including Turkish columnist Semih Idiz agree the timing of the Russian air strike is “significant” at a time when Ankara is “flexing its muscles” in the Middle East and the Caucasus. “The Armenian-Azeri dispute is a particularly sensitive issue because it is happening in what Moscow believes is its backyard and sphere of influence,” Idiz told Al Jazeera. But Idiz said other reasons may have led to the strike, such as Ankara’s inability to solve the issue of groups in Idlib that Moscow perceives as “radical”.

The Turkish-backed National Liberation Front alliance includes 11 Free Syrian Army (FSA) factions all supported by Ankara. But it excludes Hay’et Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), a former al-Qaeda affiliate that currently controls large swaths of the province. When the first major Idlib deal was signed by Russia and Turkey in 2017, a main condition set forth by Moscow was that Ankara must dissolve HTS. Russia has often used the presence of Tahrir al-Sham to attack Idlib. But Turkey has not done away with the armed group either because it cannot, or does not want to, Idiz said.

“This latest strike is Russia’s way of saying that time is running out – or has run out,” he said, referring to the conditions set in a deal agreed on by Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan at a summit earlier this year.

I heard that Nagorno-Karabakh is a lovely vacation spot for Russian Officers this time of the year. Joking aside, Putin is sending a message to Erdogan: GTFO from the Caucasus and deal with Tahrir Al Sham, or I'm going to let my armed forces have their way with you, and will suddenly favor Gay Rights. Let's see if Erdogan gets it. Last time Turkey started shit with Russia and killed a Russian Pilot, Putin's response was to wipe out the faction engaged in killing the pilot.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Erdogan has to be an ascended level of insane to make some of the most progressive leaders in the West call for Putin’s intervention

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

I'm certain Armenians will continue but will the country of Armenia?

Sure, because if things get bad, the leader of the free-ish world, Vladimir Putin, will intervene.

Nikol Pashinyan does not really know the Turks, he should understand how the Turkish people think. Putin is trying to explain this to Armenia, but they continue to follow a policy that does not like anyone in their country.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Sure, because if things get bad, the leader of the free-ish world, Vladimir Putin, will intervene.

Nikol Pashinyan does not really know the Turks, he should understand how the Turkish people think. Putin is trying to explain this to Armenia, but they continue to follow a policy that does not like anyone in their country.

Idk how the Turkish people think but their government thinks non Turks should either be enslaved or killed.

[New Visayan Islands]

Locked pending trawl, stand by.

Indeed. The world is not black vs white, just different shades of dark grey. But it is fair to not Armenians are at greater risk, given their disadvantageous position. Being most at risk does not mean their government is always good though.

The Azeri government may be racist pieces of garbage but the Azeri civilians don't deserve to die. Innocent people are being blown to bits and the world is once again silent.

Take the *** warning for trolling *** that I'm handing you as a reminder to cool those jets down. Now.

HHDI also gets a *** warning for spamming Moderation and Mods as Weapons. *** Moderation is not where you go to report a post just because you don't like what it says. If a post is actionable, by all means report, but at this point it's coming off as you wanting us at Moderation to warn anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Now that we got everything out of the way, thread unlocked.

Thanks!
NVI

[New Rogernomics]

I heard that Nagorno-Karabakh is a lovely vacation spot for Russian Officers this time of the year. Joking aside, Putin is sending a message to Erdogan: GTFO from the Caucasus and deal with Tahrir Al Sham, or I'm going to let my armed forces have their way with you, and will suddenly favor Gay Rights. Let's see if Erdogan gets it. Last time Turkey started shit with Russia and killed a Russian Pilot, Putin's response was to wipe out the faction engaged in killing the pilot.

Well so far Russia is not confirming or denying knocking out Azeri and Turkish drones that go over Armenia*1, and the ball is really in Erdogan and Aliyev's court as to far this proxy war will go. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Russia starts sending in volunteers, as Turkey and Azerbaijan's big mistake IMO though was sending islamist mercenaries from Syria who are tied to terror groups, which is something that Russia won't just turn a blind eye to, and Assad has had a nice propaganda coup pointing out. Not to mention that Azeris and Turks need to pay foreign mercenaries to fight this proxy war for them*2, and won't shed their own blood for it. Armenians on the other hand have existed in the area for millennia, actually have their heart in the fight, and don't need a monetary incentive to fight, just like the last time there was a major war like this in the region.

*1: https://asiatimes.com/2020/10/russia-kn ... ian-skies/
*2: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 12446.html

[Sanghyeok]

Erdogan has to be an ascended level of insane to make some of the most progressive leaders in the West call for Putin’s intervention

Satire is dead, because reality has become crazier than fiction.
About the conflict: I hope that they can begin another dialogue soon and end this. 2020 is terrible enough already.

[Shofercia]

I heard that Nagorno-Karabakh is a lovely vacation spot for Russian Officers this time of the year. Joking aside, Putin is sending a message to Erdogan: GTFO from the Caucasus and deal with Tahrir Al Sham, or I'm going to let my armed forces have their way with you, and will suddenly favor Gay Rights. Let's see if Erdogan gets it. Last time Turkey started shit with Russia and killed a Russian Pilot, Putin's response was to wipe out the faction engaged in killing the pilot.

Well so far Russia is not confirming or denying knocking out Azeri and Turkish drones that go over Armenia*1, and the ball is really in Erdogan and Aliyev's court as to far this proxy war will go. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Russia starts sending in volunteers, as Turkey and Azerbaijan's big mistake IMO though was sending islamist mercenaries from Syria who are tied to terror groups, which is something that Russia won't just turn a blind eye to, and Assad has had a nice propaganda coup pointing out. Not to mention that Azeris and Turks need to pay foreign mercenaries to fight this proxy war for them*2, and won't shed their own blood for it. Armenians on the other hand have existed in the area for millennia, actually have their heart in the fight, and don't need a monetary incentive to fight, just like the last time there was a major war like this in the region.

*1: https://asiatimes.com/2020/10/russia-kn ... ian-skies/
*2: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 12446.html

Interesting, and good sources! Putin has yet to back down from any lines he drew in the sand, and the Caucasus was one such line. Furthermore, the Russian Armed Forces in the Caucasus are the best in the region, one of the best in Russia, and could be deployed at a moment's notice. There's no doubt in my mind that Russia's ready to escalate. As for shooting down the drones, considering that no one is claiming credit for it or denying it - that was probably the Russians, unless Armenia has the technology.

Do you get the feeling that Erdogan is just trying to expand Turkey's power projection without any regard for the history of the region where he's trying to expand? Because he's going to blink in the Caucasus, and that'll set him up for failure in Syria. Somewhere Assad is going "thank you Azerbaijan!"

[Sharania]

McDonalds officially endorses Azerbaijan in this war:

Okay - this is uncomfortable.

P.S. I'd post more often in this thread, if not the general atmosphere of negativity and hostility aimed not at those who deserve the blame but on fellow posters.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

McDonalds officially endorses Azerbaijan in this war:

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Okay - this is uncomfortable.

P.S. I'd post more often in this thread, if not the general atmosphere of negativity and hostility aimed not at those who deserve the blame but on fellow posters.

That is truly bizarre. You'd think they wouldn't want to touch something like this with a 20 foot long stick.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

McDonalds officially endorses Azerbaijan in this war:

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Okay - this is uncomfortable.

P.S. I'd post more often in this thread, if not the general atmosphere of negativity and hostility aimed not at those who deserve the blame but on fellow posters.

McDonalds supporting genocide. Man, now I've seen it all.

Shortly after the posts were spotted on social media, the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) posted a statement calling for a boycott of McDonald’s until support for Azerbaijan forces was denounced.

According to a CTV news article about the issue, Mackey D's later retracted the posts but the Armenian National Committee of America is calling for a boycott.

[Baltenstein]

McDonalds officially endorses Azerbaijan in this war:

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Okay - this is uncomfortable.

P.S. I'd post more often in this thread, if not the general atmosphere of negativity and hostility aimed not at those who deserve the blame but on fellow posters.

The Armenian military immediately reacts by occupying several McDonalds stores:



Seriously, this is soooo out of left-field and calling for desaster. Why even position themselves on the issue? Did someone at McD HQ seriously think this would improve their PR and sales in any way?

[The Huskar Social Union]

McDonalds officially endorses Azerbaijan in this war:

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Okay - this is uncomfortable.

P.S. I'd post more often in this thread, if not the general atmosphere of negativity and hostility aimed not at those who deserve the blame but on fellow posters.

The Armenian military immediately reacts by occupying several McDonalds stores:



Seriously, this is soooo out of left-field and calling for desaster. Why even position themselves on the issue? Did someone at McD HQ seriously think this would improve their PR and sales in any way?

I wouldnt be surprised if whoever the local heads of Micky Dicks are decided to do it themselves and didnt bother telling the big cheese back home.


Also mcdonalds is shit anyway