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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:47 am

Aureumterra III wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Azerbaijani army saves Zangilan city center from occupation.people against fascism want a New Sadabat Pact

Pan-Turkism isn’t much better than fascism tbh
It Must Be Against All Kinds of Fascism, but I do not see this request of the rulers in the region, they are all considering their own pockets. Azerbaijan must question within itself why it has remained silent to this injustice for 30 years in the Nagorno-Karabakh incident.

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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:03 pm

Baltenstein wrote:Short of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, Armenia hasn't much to gamble on in the long run. Azerbaijan has better birthrates and better economic growth rates, so ten/20/30 years from now the gap in power projection abilities between them will have grown that much larger. Turkey also, will always be right around the corner and always be backing Azerbaijan.

Armenia could pin its hopes on the Aliyev clan losing power and Azeri society collectively losing interest in retaking N-K. While the former might very well happen, I don't see much indicating the later.



In your scenario it seems the only solution for Armenia which does not involve pulling out of NK. is a nuclear option. Of course, then the neighbors will also want there own nuclear option. But none will attack since they will be erased from the map.
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:11 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:Pan-Turkism isn’t much better than fascism tbh
It Must Be Against All Kinds of Fascism, but I do not see this request of the rulers in the region, they are all considering their own pockets. Azerbaijan must question within itself why it has remained silent to this injustice for 30 years in the Nagorno-Karabakh incident.

Purpose of the new Sadabat Pact
1-Permanent solution of border problems
4-respect the territorial integrity of countries


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Postby Heloin » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:12 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:It Must Be Against All Kinds of Fascism, but I do not see this request of the rulers in the region, they are all considering their own pockets. Azerbaijan must question within itself why it has remained silent to this injustice for 30 years in the Nagorno-Karabakh incident.

Purpose of the new Sadabat Pact
1-Permanent solution of border problems
4-respect the territorial integrity of countries


AND CAAAAAAAN YOU FEEEEEEEEEL THE IIIIIIIIIRONYYYYYYYYY...
IT IS WHERE WE ARE...

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It's not blatant hypocrisy if it's done to defend Turkish interests.

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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:25 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Azerbaijani army saves Zangilan city center from occupation.people against fascism want a New Sadabat Pact


Funny. Two of those nations support the just country, while the other two is a Nazi shithole worthy of being set fire to and wiped from the map, and their ethnocentric supporters.

No one wants a ‘New Sadabat Pact’, especially not one they’d share with fucking Turkic supremacists. Quit dreaming and start accepting reality.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:26 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Azerbaijani army saves Zangilan city center from occupation.people against fascism want a New Sadabat Pact


Can't be against fascism if you are a fascist.

Looking at Turkey and Azerbaijan.
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:27 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:Pan-Turkism isn’t much better than fascism tbh
It Must Be Against All Kinds of Fascism, but I do not see this request of the rulers in the region, they are all considering their own pockets. Azerbaijan must question within itself why it has remained silent to this injustice for 30 years in the Nagorno-Karabakh incident.

Purpose of the new Sadabat Pact
1-Permanent solution of border problems
2-Secularism based on social democracy
3-The real fight against terror
4-respect the territorial integrity of countries


Please, don’t make me laugh.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:30 pm

Aureumterra III wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Azerbaijani army saves Zangilan city center from occupation.people against fascism want a New Sadabat Pact

Pan-Turkism isn’t much better than fascism tbh


It is fascism. It is the worst form of racist hate in that area of the world tbh.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:42 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:It Must Be Against All Kinds of Fascism, but I do not see this request of the rulers in the region, they are all considering their own pockets. Azerbaijan must question within itself why it has remained silent to this injustice for 30 years in the Nagorno-Karabakh incident.

Purpose of the new Sadabat Pact
1-Permanent solution of border problems
4-respect the territorial integrity of countries


AND CAAAAAAAN YOU FEEEEEEEEEL THE IIIIIIIIIRONYYYYYYYYY...
IT IS WHERE WE ARE...

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I think the same in Cyprus, I have a dream of a united Cyprus that nobody alienates.

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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:53 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
AND CAAAAAAAN YOU FEEEEEEEEEL THE IIIIIIIIIRONYYYYYYYYY...
IT IS WHERE WE ARE...

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I think the same in Cyprus, I have a dream of a united Cyprus that nobody alienates.

1-Permanent solution of border problems
4-respect the territorial integrity of countries


Nobody alienates he says, while proposing "solutions" that would be categorically opposed by 99% of the Greek Cypriots.

But hey, I have a solution that "nobody alienates" for NK too. Let Armenia officially annex NK and the surrounding regions at gunpoint, and Nakhchivan too while we're at it. Then have the rest of the world officially recognize it, problem solved, nobody alienate.
O'er the hills and o'er the main.
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:04 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
AND CAAAAAAAN YOU FEEEEEEEEEL THE IIIIIIIIIRONYYYYYYYYY...
IT IS WHERE WE ARE...

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I think the same in Cyprus, I have a dream of a united Cyprus that nobody alienates.

1-Permanent solution of border problems
4-respect the territorial integrity of countries


And you expect us to believe that? I like to think we learnt from the Munich Agreement (and Hitler promising no more expansionism), so why, for any reason, should we trust Turkic supremacists to have any hand in shaping peace for the future?

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:14 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I think the same in Cyprus, I have a dream of a united Cyprus that nobody alienates.

1-Permanent solution of border problems
4-respect the territorial integrity of countries


Nobody alienates he says, while proposing "solutions" that would be categorically opposed by 99% of the Greek Cypriots.

But hey, I have a solution that "nobody alienates" for NK too. Let Armenia officially annex NK and the surrounding regions at gunpoint, and Nakhchivan too while we're at it. Then have the rest of the world officially recognize it, problem solved, nobody alienate.
The only solution for Nagorno-Karabakh is Armenia's withdrawal from the occupied territories. You must learn to be one heart against injustice, the era of crusades is now over. We are in the 21st century
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:17 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Nobody alienates he says, while proposing "solutions" that would be categorically opposed by 99% of the Greek Cypriots.

But hey, I have a solution that "nobody alienates" for NK too. Let Armenia officially annex NK and the surrounding regions at gunpoint, and Nakhchivan too while we're at it. Then have the rest of the world officially recognize it, problem solved, nobody alienate.
The only solution for Nagorno-Karabakh is Armenia's withdrawal from the occupied territories. You must learn to be one heart against injustice, the era of crusades is now over. We are in the 21st century


The only solution is for the damed Turks to cease thinking they have any right to land that’s not their’s and never was legitimately their’s. Ever. It is Artsakh and always was Artsakh. Just because a few rats live in your house doesn’t mean they get to make it their nest.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:18 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Nobody alienates he says, while proposing "solutions" that would be categorically opposed by 99% of the Greek Cypriots.

But hey, I have a solution that "nobody alienates" for NK too. Let Armenia officially annex NK and the surrounding regions at gunpoint, and Nakhchivan too while we're at it. Then have the rest of the world officially recognize it, problem solved, nobody alienate.
The only solution for Nagorno-Karabakh is Armenia's withdrawal from the occupied territories. You must learn to be one heart against injustice, the era of crusades is now over. We are in the 21st century

Why should they withdrawal? The majority there is Armenian and don't want to be part of Azerbaijan. Unless Azerbaijan agrees to respect that fact then it makes total sense for Armenia to stay in the area.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:22 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Nobody alienates he says, while proposing "solutions" that would be categorically opposed by 99% of the Greek Cypriots.

But hey, I have a solution that "nobody alienates" for NK too. Let Armenia officially annex NK and the surrounding regions at gunpoint, and Nakhchivan too while we're at it. Then have the rest of the world officially recognize it, problem solved, nobody alienate.
The only solution for Nagorno-Karabakh is Armenia's withdrawal from the occupied territories. You must learn to be one heart against injustice, the era of crusades is now over. We are in the 21st century

Why do you want the people who live there to be driven from their homes? Seems like your the only one here celebrating injustice.

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:37 pm

Andsed wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The only solution for Nagorno-Karabakh is Armenia's withdrawal from the occupied territories. You must learn to be one heart against injustice, the era of crusades is now over. We are in the 21st century

Why should they withdrawal? The majority there is Armenian and don't want to be part of Azerbaijan. Unless Azerbaijan agrees to respect that fact then it makes total sense for Armenia to stay in the area.
This is the subject you know wrong. Turks were really weak in explaining their just cause. The world is now aware of this, people who bury their heads in the sand are the accomplices of this brutality by the Armenian government. Armenians and Azerbaijanis suffered greatly from this Fascist mentality, I want you to lay down on your warm beds and empathize
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:38 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Nobody alienates he says, while proposing "solutions" that would be categorically opposed by 99% of the Greek Cypriots.

But hey, I have a solution that "nobody alienates" for NK too. Let Armenia officially annex NK and the surrounding regions at gunpoint, and Nakhchivan too while we're at it. Then have the rest of the world officially recognize it, problem solved, nobody alienate.
The only solution for Cyprus is Turkey's withdrawal from the occupied territories. You must learn to be one heart against injustice, the era of sultanates is now over. We are in the 21st century


Normally, I would say "See what I did there?" but given your Patrick Star level of not comprehending other peoples' points, you probably don't, so I'll spell it out:

I switched the names and regions in your quote, thereby showcasing that you support one thing on NK, and its exact opposite on Northern Cyprus. By dictionary defintion, this makes you a hypocrite. A H_Y_P_O_C_R_I_T_E, Hakinda (It's Greek, look up the meaning).
This in turn, undermines your standing and and that of your posts in this thread - and honestly, not just this thread - which is the main reason for my, I freely admit, rather snarky response, as well the almost universally negative flak you're getting from others.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:39 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Andsed wrote:Why should they withdrawal? The majority there is Armenian and don't want to be part of Azerbaijan. Unless Azerbaijan agrees to respect that fact then it makes total sense for Armenia to stay in the area.
This is the subject you know wrong. Turks were really weak in explaining their just cause. The world is now aware of this, people who bury their heads in the sand are the accomplices of this brutality by the Armenian government. Armenians and Azerbaijanis suffered greatly from this Fascist mentality, I want you to lay down on your warm beds and empathize
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How exactly is Azerbaijani attempting to control an area where the majority dont want to be ruled by them a "just cause?"
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:40 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Azerbaijani army saves Zangilan city center from occupation.people against fascism want a New Sadabat Pact


Can't be against fascism if you are a fascist.

Looking at Turkey and Azerbaijan.


A bit off-topic but that reminds me of Hearts of Iron 4 and thinking- You can't capitualte to Germany if you're already fascist...*instates Oswald Mosley as Prime Minister*
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:48 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Can't be against fascism if you are a fascist.

Looking at Turkey and Azerbaijan.


A bit off-topic but that reminds me of Hearts of Iron 4 and thinking- You can't capitualte to Germany if you're already fascist...*instates Oswald Mosley as Prime Minister*


Lmfao it's big brain time
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:12 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Andsed wrote:Why should they withdrawal? The majority there is Armenian and don't want to be part of Azerbaijan. Unless Azerbaijan agrees to respect that fact then it makes total sense for Armenia to stay in the area.
This is the subject you know wrong. Turks were really weak in explaining their just cause. The world is now aware of this, people who bury their heads in the sand are the accomplices of this brutality by the Armenian government. Armenians and Azerbaijanis suffered greatly from this Fascist mentality, I want you to lay down on your warm beds and empathize
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The only [removed] fascists are in [removed] Baku, so what the [removed] are you [removed] woffling on about?

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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:13 pm

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The only solution for Cyprus is Turkey's withdrawal from the occupied territories. You must learn to be one heart against injustice, the era of sultanates is now over. We are in the 21st century


Normally, I would say "See what I did there?" but given your Patrick Star level of not comprehending other peoples' points, you probably don't, so I'll spell it out:

I switched the names and regions in your quote, thereby showcasing that you support one thing on NK, and its exact opposite on Northern Cyprus. By dictionary defintion, this makes you a hypocrite. A H_Y_P_O_C_R_I_T_E, Hakinda (It's Greek, look up the meaning).
This in turn, undermines your standing and and that of your posts in this thread - and honestly, not just this thread - which is the main reason for my, I freely admit, rather snarky response, as well the almost universally negative flak you're getting from others.


Hakinda never had any standing to begin with.

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Postby Transjlwanja » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:12 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Azerbaijani army saves Zangilan city center from occupation.people against fascism want a New Sadabat Pact


Can't be against fascism if you are a fascist.

Looking at Turkey and Azerbaijan.


Describing the current regimes in Azerbaijan or Turkey as "fascist" is an insult to actual Fascists TBH. What do they have to do w/ Giovanni Gentile?

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The only solution for Nagorno-Karabakh is Armenia's withdrawal from the occupied territories. You must learn to be one heart against injustice, the era of crusades is now over. We are in the 21st century


The only solution is for the damed Turks to cease thinking they have any right to land that’s not their’s and never was legitimately their’s. Ever. It is Artsakh and always was Artsakh. Just because a few rats live in your house doesn’t mean they get to make it their nest.


Are Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland legitimately British? If so, how are British claims to those territories legitimate but not Azeri claims over Nagorno-Karabakh? Why are Turks "rats" but not Anglos?
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Postby Andsed » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:16 pm

Transjlwanja wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Can't be against fascism if you are a fascist.

Looking at Turkey and Azerbaijan.


Describing the current regimes in Azerbaijan or Turkey as "fascist" is an insult to actual Fascists TBH. What do they have to do w/ Giovanni Gentile?

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The only solution is for the damed Turks to cease thinking they have any right to land that’s not their’s and never was legitimately their’s. Ever. It is Artsakh and always was Artsakh. Just because a few rats live in your house doesn’t mean they get to make it their nest.


Are Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland legitimately British? If so, how are British claims to those territories legitimate but not Azeri claims over Nagorno-Karabakh? Why are Turks "rats" but not Anglos?

Depending on some potential referendums and polls the UK claims over places like Scotland and Northern Ireland may not be legitimate. With Nagorno-Karabakh the majority in the region dont want to be part of Azerbaijan and so their claim is not legitimate. The same would apply to Scotland and Norther Ireland if the majority in those regions voted that way.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:18 pm

Transjlwanja wrote:
Are Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland legitimately British? If so, how are British claims to those territories legitimate but not Azeri claims over Nagorno-Karabakh? Why are Turks "rats" but not Anglos?


Because Wales, Scotland, and NI all consent to being in union with Britain. There's also the matter that Britain is not ethnically cleansing said places.

Although with Scotland that might change.
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