Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict: The Great Betrayal

[Albionist Great Britain]

Kremlin says CSTO commitments do not apply to Karabakh. In this just cause of Azerbaijan, it should continue with honor without giving up, peace passes through justice. Do not forget the pain of Khojaly massacre, no to genocidal mentality !

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The Azeri cause isn’t just, it’s purely genocidal and fuelled by Azeri ultranationalism. The only justice here is the fact Baku isn’t being allowed to cleanse Artsakh of the indigenous population.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Kremlin says CSTO commitments do not apply to Karabakh. In this just cause of Azerbaijan, it should continue with honor without giving up, peace passes through justice. Do not forget the pain of Khojaly massacre, no to genocidal mentality !

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There is no 'honor' in ethnic cleansing, which was carried out by both sides in the past war, and if Azerbajian 'wins', that is exactly what they will carry out in Karabakh i.e. the forced removal of all Armenians from the territory. Khojaly probably did occur, though you seem to ignore all the massacres conducted by Azerbaijan in said war, and place a one-sided story where Armenians have no right to live there. Azerbaijan is an oppressive dictatorship that needs ethnic hatred to survive*, as much of the population is poor and deprived of any political freedom. It is pretty clear that the Azerbaijan dictatorship want this war as they were politically desperate to hold power, which had been weakened by Covid-19.

Though, to actually defeat Armenia, and take Karabakh, Azerbaijan would have to attack Armenian forces within Armenia, and shell Armenia. Thus drawing in Moscow, as if they don't intervene Armenia will end its alliance and sue for peace, becoming an enemy of the Russian Federation pretty much forever because of the great betrayal. Armenia isn't wrong though that this is continuation of the Turkish government's policy of genocide i.e. the systematic murder of the Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians from 1915 to the early 20s. A few hundred dead in Khojaly, even a thousand, is nowhere as much as the millions murdered during the break up of the Ottoman Empire. War is immoral, not 'honorable', and I won't be celebrating over the dead bodies of either side.

What I would want is a ceasefire and for Azeris to be allowed to return and live in peace with Armenians, and the blood-letting to stop, but the Azerbaijan government will never accept that because they need the war to keep in power.

I think that hatred has blinded both sides, and it is tragic that Karabakh can't be lived in people from both countries.

*To the point that Azerbaijan's government pen's medals on axe murderers as a propaganda victory i.e. Ramil Safarov.

I agree with you about the controversial elections in Azerbaijan. One of the biggest problems in the development of Turkish states.I think the war should not be normalized but there is a fact here Azerbaijan Territorial integrity.

[Albionist Great Britain]

There is no 'honor' in ethnic cleansing, which was carried out by both sides in the past war, and if Azerbajian 'wins', that is exactly what they will carry out in Karabakh i.e. the forced removal of all Armenians from the territory. Khojaly probably did occur, though you seem to ignore all the massacres conducted by Azerbaijan in said war, and place a one-sided story where Armenians have no right to live there. Azerbaijan is an oppressive dictatorship that needs ethnic hatred to survive*, as much of the population is poor and deprived of any political freedom. It is pretty clear that the Azerbaijan dictatorship want this war as they were politically desperate to hold power, which had been weakened by Covid-19.

Though, to actually defeat Armenia, and take Karabakh, Azerbaijan would have to attack Armenian forces within Armenia, and shell Armenia. Thus drawing in Moscow, as if they don't intervene Armenia will end its alliance and sue for peace, becoming an enemy of the Russian Federation pretty much forever because of the great betrayal. Armenia isn't wrong though that this is continuation of the Turkish government's policy of genocide i.e. the systematic murder of the Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians from 1915 to the early 20s. A few hundred dead in Khojaly, even a thousand, is nowhere as much as the millions murdered during the break up of the Ottoman Empire. War is immoral, not 'honorable', and I won't be celebrating over the dead bodies of either side.

What I would want is a ceasefire and for Azeris to be allowed to return and live in peace with Armenians, and the blood-letting to stop, but the Azerbaijan government will never accept that because they need the war to keep in power.

I think that hatred has blinded both sides, and it is tragic that Karabakh can't be lived in people from both countries.

*To the point that Azerbaijan's government pen's medals on axe murderers as a propaganda victory i.e. Ramil Safarov.

I agree with you about the controversial elections in Azerbaijan. One of the biggest problems in the development of Turkish states.I think the war should not be normalized but there is a fact here Azerbaijan Territorial integrity.

Disregarding the fact Artsakh plainly isn’t Azeri and the fact of self-determination, Baku forfeited any mandate of governance over the people in Artsakh when it subjected the natives to ethnic cleansing. Baku has no right any longer, even if it had one to begin with.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

I agree with you about the controversial elections in Azerbaijan. One of the biggest problems in the development of Turkish states.I think the war should not be normalized but there is a fact here Azerbaijan Territorial integrity.

Disregarding the fact Artsakh plainly isn’t Azeri and the fact of self-determination, Baku forfeited any mandate of governance over the people in Artsakh when it subjected the natives to ethnic cleansing. Baku has no right any longer, even if it had one to begin with.

You need to direct these statements to those who hold the referendum with 99.98% of the votes. I am a social democrat in my country. If another country experiences such an injustice, I would raise my voice again. The mistake of the Turkish world is that it cannot adequately explain its problems to the world.

[Insaanistan]

Iranian president Hassan Rouhani warns of a “regional war” if fighting between Azerbaijan and Armenia continues. He also stated Iran’s priority is protecting its villages and cities. Iran is largely concerned about the shells and missiles that have hit the Iranian territory of Azerbaijan, not to be confused with the country Azerbaijan, as while both are majority Azeri and majority Shiā Muslim, Iranian Azerbaijan has a much more Iranic/Persian culture and is much more religiously conservative, and is not under the jurisdiction of the country known as Azerbaijan. Vladimir Putin, after a phone call with Azeri president Ilham Aliyev, described the conflict as a “tragedy”. The civilian death toll continues to rise as Turkish-backed Azerbaijan continues to battle Russian-allied Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh,

[Albionist Great Britain]

Disregarding the fact Artsakh plainly isn’t Azeri and the fact of self-determination, Baku forfeited any mandate of governance over the people in Artsakh when it subjected the natives to ethnic cleansing. Baku has no right any longer, even if it had one to begin with.

You need to direct these statements to those who hold the referendum with 99.98% of the votes. I am a social democrat in my country. If another country experiences such an injustice, I would raise my voice again. The mistake of the Turkish world is that it cannot adequately explain its problems to the world.

Azeris boycotted the referendum, so their non-inclusion doesn’t matter. Baku has still forfeited its mandate of governance by trying to ethnically cleansed the indigenous people, which they’re still whining about, with your backing. The problem with the Turkish world is that it’s like this, trying to ethnically cleanse indigenous peoples from their lands.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

You need to direct these statements to those who hold the referendum with 99.98% of the votes. I am a social democrat in my country. If another country experiences such an injustice, I would raise my voice again. The mistake of the Turkish world is that it cannot adequately explain its problems to the world.

Azeris boycotted the referendum, so their non-inclusion doesn’t matter. Baku has still forfeited its mandate of governance by trying to ethnically cleansed the indigenous people, which they’re still whining about, with your backing. The problem with the Turkish world is that it’s like this, trying to ethnically cleanse indigenous peoples from their lands.

How much can you trust in an election that comes out at 99.98% ? This event is not about nationalism or religion, it is about right and wrong.

[The Restored Danelaw]

Azeris boycotted the referendum, so their non-inclusion doesn’t matter. Baku has still forfeited its mandate of governance by trying to ethnically cleansed the indigenous people, which they’re still whining about, with your backing. The problem with the Turkish world is that it’s like this, trying to ethnically cleanse indigenous peoples from their lands.

How much can you trust in an election that comes out at 99.98% ? This event is not about nationalism or religion, it is about right and wrong.

Yes, precisely. Armenians are right and Baku -and the Azeris in general- wrong. One sides wants, and calls for, an ethnic cleansing -has done so openly 1989 though was trying to actually commit said ethnic cleansing ever since 1924- and that side isn't Armenia.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Azeris boycotted the referendum, so their non-inclusion doesn’t matter. Baku has still forfeited its mandate of governance by trying to ethnically cleansed the indigenous people, which they’re still whining about, with your backing. The problem with the Turkish world is that it’s like this, trying to ethnically cleanse indigenous peoples from their lands.

How much can you trust in an election that comes out at 99.98% ? This event is not about nationalism or religion, it is about right and wrong.

For fuck’s sake, I thought it was clear that Azeris boycotted it and hence their votes don’t matter because they weren’t cast. It is about fucking right and wrong, and the Azeris are in the deepest pit of wrong, Hakinda. Your Turkish nationalism is clear as fucking day, you don’t give a shit about right or wrong, so sit up and say so, at least then you’d be more honest.

[Lower Nubia]

Azeris boycotted the referendum, so their non-inclusion doesn’t matter. Baku has still forfeited its mandate of governance by trying to ethnically cleansed the indigenous people, which they’re still whining about, with your backing. The problem with the Turkish world is that it’s like this, trying to ethnically cleanse indigenous peoples from their lands.

How much can you trust in an election that comes out at 99.98% ? This event is not about nationalism or religion, it is about right and wrong.

We could redo it. No doubt 150,000 Armenians and 45,000 Azerbaijani's will vote in Azerbaijan's favour. That'll be a democratic mandate and Azerbaijanstill doesn't get the land.

[SD_Film Artists]

How much can you trust in an election that comes out at 99.98% ? This event is not about nationalism or religion, it is about right and wrong.

We could redo it. No doubt 150,000 Armenians and 45,000 Azerbaijani's will vote in Azerbaijan's favour. That'll be a democratic mandate and Azerbaijanstill doesn't get the land.

With such a clear historic and democratic mandate I'm sure the UN will see sense and come to Armenia's aid in one form or another; the Falklands demonstrated their right to self-determination in a free and fair referendum and it worked out fine for th.....oh wait

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

How much can you trust in an election that comes out at 99.98% ? This event is not about nationalism or religion, it is about right and wrong.

We could redo it. No doubt 150,000 Armenians and 45,000 Azerbaijani's will vote in Azerbaijan's favour. That'll be a democratic mandate and Azerbaijanstill doesn't get the land.

You Never Know. Your Approach Cannot Go Beyond Racism. Many Azerbaijanis may want to be affiliated with Armenia, or most Armenians may want to adhere to Azerbaijan.

[The Huskar Social Union]

We could redo it. No doubt 150,000 Armenians and 45,000 Azerbaijani's will vote in Azerbaijan's favour. That'll be a democratic mandate and Azerbaijanstill doesn't get the land.

You Never Know. Your Approach Cannot Go Beyond Racism. Many Azerbaijanis may want to be affiliated with Armenia, or most Armenians may want to adhere to Azerbaijan.

Stop accusing people who disagree with you of being racists. All it does is make you look childish and that you are not worth taking seriously.

Also no the armenians living there dont want to be part of Azerbaijan. Its why they tried to leave in the first place.

[The Restored Danelaw]

We could redo it. No doubt 150,000 Armenians and 45,000 Azerbaijani's will vote in Azerbaijan's favour. That'll be a democratic mandate and Azerbaijanstill doesn't get the land.

You Never Know. Your Approach Cannot Go Beyond Racism. Many Azerbaijanis may want to be affiliated with Armenia, or most Armenians may want to adhere to Azerbaijan.

They're literally fighting a war in the region purely because Armenians don't want to be Azerbaijani and Baku doesn't want to suffer Armenians to live. Like. You're posting in a thread over this very conflict.

[Lower Nubia]

We could redo it. No doubt 150,000 Armenians and 45,000 Azerbaijani's will vote in Azerbaijan's favour. That'll be a democratic mandate and Azerbaijanstill doesn't get the land.

You Never Know. Your Approach Cannot Go Beyond Racism. Many Azerbaijanis may want to be affiliated with Armenia, or most Armenians may want to adhere to Azerbaijan.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

You Never Know. Your Approach Cannot Go Beyond Racism. Many Azerbaijanis may want to be affiliated with Armenia, or most Armenians may want to adhere to Azerbaijan.

Stop accusing people who disagree with you of being racists. All it does is make you look childish and that you are not worth taking seriously.

Also no the armenians living there dont want to be part of Azerbaijan. Its why they tried to leave in the first place.

Look, I'm not a bad person, please don't look at me this way, I just think this discourse is racist. I think it is wrong to classify people according to their race for example, every Turkish is a Muslim. This discourse is wrong. I am a Turk and I am not a Muslim.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Stop accusing people who disagree with you of being racists. All it does is make you look childish and that you are not worth taking seriously.

Also no the armenians living there dont want to be part of Azerbaijan. Its why they tried to leave in the first place.

Look, I'm not a bad person, please don't look at me this way, I just think this discourse is racist. I think it is wrong to classify people according to their race for example, every Turkish is a Muslim. This discourse is wrong. I am a Turk and I am not a Muslim.

Tell me, how the fuck are the Artsakh Armenians being racist by not wanting to be subject to ethnic cleansing? And how the fuck are we being racist by calling you out on your Baku-grown bullshit?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Stop accusing people who disagree with you of being racists. All it does is make you look childish and that you are not worth taking seriously.

Also no the armenians living there dont want to be part of Azerbaijan. Its why they tried to leave in the first place.

Look, I'm not a bad person, please don't look at me this way, I just think this discourse is racist. I think it is wrong to classify people according to their race for example, every Turkish is a Muslim. This discourse is wrong. I am a Turk and I am not a Muslim.

There is nothing racist about this. Aremenians living in Nagorno Karabakh, do not want to be part of Azerbaijan. They want to be part of Armenia. Its not to do with race, its to do with how Azerbaijan has treated them and their national identity.

[Andsed]

We could redo it. No doubt 150,000 Armenians and 45,000 Azerbaijani's will vote in Azerbaijan's favour. That'll be a democratic mandate and Azerbaijanstill doesn't get the land.

You Never Know. Your Approach Cannot Go Beyond Racism. Many Azerbaijanis may want to be affiliated with Armenia, or most Armenians may want to adhere to Azerbaijan.

No, they will not. Look, the simple fact is the majority of the people in the region are Armenian and do not want to be part of Azerbaijan. Because of this Azerbaijan cannot truly legitimately claim the region due to the principle self determination.

[New Dillonia]

Must know who to support in this conflict

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Look, I'm not a bad person, please don't look at me this way, I just think this discourse is racist. I think it is wrong to classify people according to their race for example, every Turkish is a Muslim. This discourse is wrong. I am a Turk and I am not a Muslim.

There is nothing racist about this. Aremenians living in Nagorno Karabakh, do not want to be part of Azerbaijan. They want to be part of Armenia. Its not to do with race, its to do with how Azerbaijan has treated them and their national identity.

If you think that every Armenia wants to join Armenia, that would be a racist approach. Likewise, if you think that every Azerbaijani citizen living in Nagorno-Karabakh wants to join Azerbaijan, you will get a wrong conclusion.

[The Restored Danelaw]

There is nothing racist about this. Aremenians living in Nagorno Karabakh, do not want to be part of Azerbaijan. They want to be part of Armenia. Its not to do with race, its to do with how Azerbaijan has treated them and their national identity.

If you think that every Armenia wants to join Armenia, that would be a racist approach. Likewise, if you think that every Azerbaijani citizen living in Nagorno-Karabakh wants to join Azerbaijan, you will get a wrong conclusion.

No Azeri lives in that area, they fled when it became obvious Baku wasn't going to ethnically cleanse it for them all the way back in the 90s. And the Armenians do want to join Armenia. They can't, because the UN illegitimately sees Artsakh as part of Baku -thus eschewing half of its own principles- which is why the Republic of Artsakh is in essence only an arm of the Armenian State, despite its independence.

[The Huskar Social Union]

There is nothing racist about this. Aremenians living in Nagorno Karabakh, do not want to be part of Azerbaijan. They want to be part of Armenia. Its not to do with race, its to do with how Azerbaijan has treated them and their national identity.

If you think that every Armenia wants to join Armenia, that would be a racist approach. Likewise, if you think that every Azerbaijani citizen living in Nagorno-Karabakh wants to join Azerbaijan, you will get a wrong conclusion.

Literally not racist.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

If you think that every Armenia wants to join Armenia, that would be a racist approach. Likewise, if you think that every Azerbaijani citizen living in Nagorno-Karabakh wants to join Azerbaijan, you will get a wrong conclusion.

No Azeri lives in that area, they fled when it became obvious Baku wasn't going to ethnically cleanse it for them all the way back in the 90s. And the Armenians do want to join Armenia. They can't, because the UN illegitimately sees Artsakh as part of Baku -thus eschewing half of its own principles- which is why the Republic of Artsakh is in essence only an arm of the Armenian State, despite its independence.

How Many Times Have You Been in the Area ? I don't understand people like you.

[Andsed]

There is nothing racist about this. Aremenians living in Nagorno Karabakh, do not want to be part of Azerbaijan. They want to be part of Armenia. Its not to do with race, its to do with how Azerbaijan has treated them and their national identity.

If you think that every Armenia wants to join Armenia, that would be a racist approach. Likewise, if you think that every Azerbaijani citizen living in Nagorno-Karabakh wants to join Azerbaijan, you will get a wrong conclusion.

But most of the Armenian citizens do want to join Armenia or at the very least not be part of Azerbaijan. Like thats not really something that can debated.