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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:55 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turks-azeris-lyon-france-armenians-vienne-video-b1422175.html Apparently Turks and Azeris can’t keep their killing of Armenians in the Caucasus.

It’s a joke to think that anything has changed in that culture since 1915.


I can imagine they find an actual armenian and it goes like

Turk: "Hey are you Armenian?"

Armenian: "...No, uh I'm a Copt."

Turk: "Oh good cause that'd be bad."

Armenian: "Why?"

Turk: "I'd have to kill you."


Apparently if you’re not white you can enact a pogrom against another ethnicity in a Western country no problem.

Where’s fucking Antifa in this mess?
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Postby Insaanistan » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:57 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I can imagine they find an actual armenian and it goes like

Turk: "Hey are you Armenian?"

Armenian: "...No, uh I'm a Copt."

Turk: "Oh good cause that'd be bad."

Armenian: "Why?"

Turk: "I'd have to kill you."


Apparently if you’re not white you can enact a pogrom against another ethnicity in a Western country no problem.

Where’s fucking Antifa in this mess?


Many people consider Turks white.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:01 am

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Salus Maior wrote:
Apparently if you’re not white you can enact a pogrom against another ethnicity in a Western country no problem.

Where’s fucking Antifa in this mess?


Many people consider Turks white.


I’ve never heard that.

But either way, that’s not the point. If we can resist and push out the “Jews will not replace us” crowd, we logically should do the same with people literally roaming the streets hunting down Armenians. These people are as fascist as any white supremacist.
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Postby The Restored Danelaw » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:08 am

Salus Maior wrote:Apparently if you’re not white you can enact a pogrom against another ethnicity in a Western country no problem.

Where’s fucking Antifa in this mess?

The thing with a certain clique of progressive left (that tends to view any sort of criticism of any "non-white" [whatever that is] group as racist) is that they're extremely condescending to the culture groups they're claiming to protect. Infantilizing them to the point of actually being insulting but they don't see it. Antifa in particular busies itself more with what it sees as fascism than with ethnic conflict among minorities though so I'm not sure why Antifa is supposed to be in this mess in the first place. Not getting involved in this isn't really against their MO.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:12 am

The Restored Danelaw wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Apparently if you’re not white you can enact a pogrom against another ethnicity in a Western country no problem.

Where’s fucking Antifa in this mess?

The thing with a certain clique of progressive left (that tends to view any sort of criticism of any "non-white" [whatever that is] group as racist) is that they're extremely condescending to the culture groups they're claiming to protect. Infantilizing them to the point of actually being insulting but they don't see it. Antifa in particular busies itself more with what it sees as fascism than with ethnic conflict among minorities though so I'm not sure why Antifa is supposed to be in this mess in the first place. Not getting involved in this isn't really against their MO.


Oh, I know that and that’s why they’re not going to do anything even though this is essentially Kristallnacht light (although I wouldn’t be surprised if this escalated to Turks attacking Armenian homes and businesses).

When it comes to actual Fascism and not just some guy using the wrong pronouns for someone, they’re limp wristed and cowardly.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:17 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Nikol Pashinyan does not really know the Turks, he should understand how the Turkish people think. Putin is trying to explain this to Armenia, but they continue to follow a policy that does not like anyone in their country.
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How Hakinda thinks:

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Postby Insaanistan » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:29 am

The Restored Danelaw wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Apparently if you’re not white you can enact a pogrom against another ethnicity in a Western country no problem.

Where’s fucking Antifa in this mess?

The thing with a certain clique of progressive left (that tends to view any sort of criticism of any "non-white" [whatever that is] group as racist) is that they're extremely condescending to the culture groups they're claiming to protect. Infantilizing them to the point of actually being insulting but they don't see it. Antifa in particular busies itself more with what it sees as fascism than with ethnic conflict among minorities though so I'm not sure why Antifa is supposed to be in this mess in the first place. Not getting involved in this isn't really against their MO.


Why do so many right-wingers love in a fantasy world where white people are the ones being oppressed everywhere?
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:31 am

Insaanistan wrote:
The Restored Danelaw wrote:The thing with a certain clique of progressive left (that tends to view any sort of criticism of any "non-white" [whatever that is] group as racist) is that they're extremely condescending to the culture groups they're claiming to protect. Infantilizing them to the point of actually being insulting but they don't see it. Antifa in particular busies itself more with what it sees as fascism than with ethnic conflict among minorities though so I'm not sure why Antifa is supposed to be in this mess in the first place. Not getting involved in this isn't really against their MO.


Why do so many right-wingers love in a fantasy world where white people are the ones being oppressed everywhere?


Danelaw is Iranian.
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Postby Insaanistan » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:32 am

Azeri Government? Genocidal trash.
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Postby Insaanistan » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:33 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Why do so many right-wingers love in a fantasy world where white people are the ones being oppressed everywhere?


Danelaw is Iranian.


My case still stands. Unless of course, I called him white, in which case, I’m sorry.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:41 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I can imagine they find an actual armenian and it goes like

Turk: "Hey are you Armenian?"

Armenian: "...No, uh I'm a Copt."

Turk: "Oh good cause that'd be bad."

Armenian: "Why?"

Turk: "I'd have to kill you."


Apparently if you’re not white you can enact a pogrom against another ethnicity in a Western country no problem.

Where’s fucking Antifa in this mess?


Yeah I wanna know that as well. How come when a bunch of neo nazis March, the antifascists are out in full force but when nonwhite fascists are on the move or when there's an islamist rally, there's nothing?

I think Lyon needed real antifascist action last night.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:41 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Apparently if you’re not white you can enact a pogrom against another ethnicity in a Western country no problem.

Where’s fucking Antifa in this mess?


Many people consider Turks white.


Many people do not. I'd say it's a 50/50 split on the question "are Turks white or not?"
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Postby Insaanistan » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:42 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Many people consider Turks white.


Many people do not. I'd say it's a 50/50 split on the question "are Turks white or not?"


Fair enough.
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Postby The Restored Danelaw » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:49 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Why do so many right-wingers love in a fantasy world where white people are the ones being oppressed everywhere?


Danelaw is Iranian.

Also like? I didn't say "white people were being oppressed everywhere"? I'm not sure where he got that from.
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Postby The Restored Danelaw » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:50 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Many people consider Turks white.


Many people do not. I'd say it's a 50/50 split on the question "are Turks white or not?"

Actual Europeans might explain this better (or just correct me if I'm wrong) but I was under the impression people in Europe didn't particularly care about "whiteness", itself mostly a concept in North America. Turks are as much an "Other" as you can be without having a different skin color.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:27 am

The Restored Danelaw wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Many people do not. I'd say it's a 50/50 split on the question "are Turks white or not?"

Actual Europeans might explain this better (or just correct me if I'm wrong) but I was under the impression people in Europe didn't particularly care about "whiteness", itself mostly a concept in North America. Turks are as much an "Other" as you can be without having a different skin color.


To a Greek, the fact Turks look just like them doesn't matter. Shit, many Greeks don't like Macedonians or Albanians either, so not liking foreign people isn't really based around skin color there.

In America it's based somewhat more around race although even then, many Arabs have light skin and look indistinguishable from "white people" but they're still seen as "those brown people" by many.
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Postby Insaanistan » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:51 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Restored Danelaw wrote:Actual Europeans might explain this better (or just correct me if I'm wrong) but I was under the impression people in Europe didn't particularly care about "whiteness", itself mostly a concept in North America. Turks are as much an "Other" as you can be without having a different skin color.


To a Greek, the fact Turks look just like them doesn't matter. Shit, many Greeks don't like Macedonians or Albanians either, so not liking foreign people isn't really based around skin color there.

In America it's based somewhat more around race although even then, many Arabs have light skin and look indistinguishable from "white people" but they're still seen as "those brown people" by many.


They’re white until thy tell you their full name or say “wallahi” or “Inshallah”. :rofl:
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:11 am

The Restored Danelaw wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Many people do not. I'd say it's a 50/50 split on the question "are Turks white or not?"

Actual Europeans might explain this better (or just correct me if I'm wrong) but I was under the impression people in Europe didn't particularly care about "whiteness", itself mostly a concept in North America. Turks are as much an "Other" as you can be without having a different skin color.


Personally I wish we stopped the importation of this concept of ‘whiteness’ and were more in-line with Europe. That’s just me, though.

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Postby Saiwania » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:23 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwcunT3C9S0
(Skip to 6:04 of video)

On TYT Cenk and Anna were arguing over Nagorno-Karabakh, it was pretty funny. Although I wouldn't put it past them that it was all staged. Anna is supposed to be of Armenian descent but doesn't mind working for a Turk because its a lucrative job. She's really another Los Angeles Liberal. Anna was arguing for Armenia whilst Cenk insisted that Armenia started the war and is presumably backing Azerbaijan.
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:25 am

Does anyone have updates about the actual military situation? My understanding was that the Azeris are grinding the Armenians down but have they taken control of any more villages or what’s going on
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:36 am

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
The Restored Danelaw wrote:Actual Europeans might explain this better (or just correct me if I'm wrong) but I was under the impression people in Europe didn't particularly care about "whiteness", itself mostly a concept in North America. Turks are as much an "Other" as you can be without having a different skin color.


Personally I wish we stopped the importation of this concept of ‘whiteness’ and were more in-line with Europe. That’s just me, though.


What would Europeans say instead?
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Postby Kowani » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:28 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Personally I wish we stopped the importation of this concept of ‘whiteness’ and were more in-line with Europe. That’s just me, though.


What would Europeans say instead?

“Those damn immigrants.”
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:36 pm

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
The Restored Danelaw wrote:Actual Europeans might explain this better (or just correct me if I'm wrong) but I was under the impression people in Europe didn't particularly care about "whiteness", itself mostly a concept in North America. Turks are as much an "Other" as you can be without having a different skin color.


Personally I wish we stopped the importation of this concept of ‘whiteness’ and were more in-line with Europe. That’s just me, though.


Whiteness as a concept is big dumb. You're telling me Sal Bonpensiero is "white" but Shakira is brown? Is this clown world? Lmfao.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:37 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Personally I wish we stopped the importation of this concept of ‘whiteness’ and were more in-line with Europe. That’s just me, though.


What would Europeans say instead?


I mean what do Brits say about the Irish? They can't call em brown so they just say "fuck the Irish" instead.
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