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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://www.jpost.com/opinion/living-in-azerbaijan-as-a-jew-versus-being-jewish-in-armenia-647026

Disgusting anti Armenian propaganda from the Jerusalem Post, defending Israel's support for Azerbaijan.


Gross whitewashing of the facts.
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Salus Maior wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://www.jpost.com/opinion/living-in-azerbaijan-as-a-jew-versus-being-jewish-in-armenia-647026

Disgusting anti Armenian propaganda from the Jerusalem Post, defending Israel's support for Azerbaijan.


Gross whitewashing of the facts.


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I have a hard time believing Jesus would have any positive feelings toward those who support a state that aids in the murder of Christians.
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Gross whitewashing of the facts.


I once had a Christian guy tell me that God will bless those who bless Israel.

I have a hard time believing Jesus would have any positive feelings toward those who support a state that aids in the murder of Christians.


I don't think God likes colonialist ethnostates very much.

But that's just my opinion.
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Gross whitewashing of the facts.


I once had a Christian guy tell me that God will bless those who bless Israel.

I have a hard time believing Jesus would have any positive feelings toward those who support a state that aids in the murder of Christians.


I thought they'd treat Christians better since it's not Christian countries who are bordering and threatening Israel. Also they supported the Christians during the Lebanese civil war, including turning a blind eye to the Sabra and Shatila massacres.
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Salus Maior wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I once had a Christian guy tell me that God will bless those who bless Israel.

I have a hard time believing Jesus would have any positive feelings toward those who support a state that aids in the murder of Christians.


I don't think God likes colonialist ethnostates very much.

But that's just my opinion.


America and Israel assisting a country in murdering a Christian ethnic group that has been persecuted for generations.

Really should let middle eastern Christians know whose side the US and Israel are on, and it's not theirs. It's the side of the Neo Ottomans and jihadists.
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Concerning the war, found out that the small Azeri town of Sugovuhan which was under Armenian occupation but was not considered part of the republic of Artsakh has been re-occupied by the Azeris. This town contains a water reservoir which was closed by Armenia. This resulted in all the Azeri farms down river to be in a constant state of drought. Only way around this was to sink an expensive well. Some think part of this war has to do with water. Looking at a map, Azerbaijan has plenty of rivers unlike Armenia. Most like that town would have been returned to Azerbaijan if they had accepted the independence of Artsakh.

The following map shows the location of Sugovushan - https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpspr ... _v2-nc.png

News video on that town and its water -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We9JtE_LbUw

The follow a really good explanation of why Armenia and Azerbaijan are fighting over Artsakh - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiqrRft2dMM
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SD_Film Artists wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I once had a Christian guy tell me that God will bless those who bless Israel.

I have a hard time believing Jesus would have any positive feelings toward those who support a state that aids in the murder of Christians.


I thought they'd treat Christians better since it's not Christian countries who are bordering and threatening Israel. Also they supported the Christians during the Lebanese civil war, including turning a blind eye to the Sabra and Shatila massacres.


They played divide and conquer and when they started losing the war they abandoned their Christian allies to die. Israel cares about one thing and that is itself.

They mistreat Christians when Christian Palestinians get run out of their homes. They help actively kill Christians when they sell guns to the Azeris.
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Now Azerbaijan is advancing further into NK. A combined force of Turkish supremacists and Syrian Jihadists is descending upon thousands of Armenians, and the US continues to aid Azerbaijan.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:01 pm



I am shocked!

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
I thought they'd treat Christians better since it's not Christian countries who are bordering and threatening Israel. Also they supported the Christians during the Lebanese civil war, including turning a blind eye to the Sabra and Shatila massacres.


They played divide and conquer and when they started losing the war they abandoned their Christian allies to die. Israel cares about one thing and that is itself.

They mistreat Christians when Christian Palestinians get run out of their homes. They help actively kill Christians when they sell guns to the Azeris.


I'm pretty sure that's more because Iran is sort-of an ally for Armenia, plus all the drone money rather than hating Christians.
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SD_Film Artists wrote:


I am shocked!

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
They played divide and conquer and when they started losing the war they abandoned their Christian allies to die. Israel cares about one thing and that is itself.

They mistreat Christians when Christian Palestinians get run out of their homes. They help actively kill Christians when they sell guns to the Azeris.


I'm pretty sure that's more because Iran is sort-of an ally for Armenia, plus all the drone money rather than hating Christians.


So killing Christians out of indifference instead of out of hate is okay?

Tell me that again when the Armenian genocide II ends up happening.
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The thing is with Azerbaijan winning, they have little incentive to stop. Sure you can argue morally they should stop, but do you think their dictator gives a shit?

I do not see how anything short of an outright foreign military intervention will stop this. For which there is little appetite.

In theory I guess sanctions could work, IF you got enough people on board. But that is unlikely. People want their gas. Plus Georgia can not afford to sanction them, with Turkey will not, so there. And the EU will not seriously sanction Turkey. The situation for Armenia is bleak.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:11 pm

Novus America wrote:The thing is with Azerbaijan winning, they have little incentive to stop. Sure you can argue morally they should stop, but do you think their dictator gives a shit?

I do not see how anything short of an outright foreign military intervention will stop this. For which there is little appetite.

In theory I guess sanctions could work, IF you got enough people on board. But that is unlikely. People want their gas. Plus Georgia can not afford to sanction them, with Turkey will not, so there. And the EU will not seriously sanction Turkey. The situation for Armenia is bleak.


I worry about the worst case scenario, which is that Azerbaijan goes all the way into Armenia and wages a war of annihilation.
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
I am shocked!



I'm pretty sure that's more because Iran is sort-of an ally for Armenia, plus all the drone money rather than hating Christians.


So killing Christians out of indifference instead of out of hate is okay?

Tell me that again when the Armenian genocide II ends up happening.


Not okay, but the cold hard reality. Israel is not going to side with country who is friends with their archenemy who wants Israel dead. Sure Israeli foreign policy is based on cold hard realpolitik over moral concerns for Christians.
But that is not surprising. Welcome to the new multipolar world. This is just the beginning.

Same is the old one. But with nastier weapons.

It will be a wild and bloody ride.
In the grim darkness of the near future, there is only war.
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https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/turkey-le ... 20%251%24s

And now they're bombing churches. After indiscriminately bombing towns and cities, they're targeting churches.

This isn't a war. It's extermination.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:17 pm

Novus America wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
So killing Christians out of indifference instead of out of hate is okay?

Tell me that again when the Armenian genocide II ends up happening.


Not okay, but the cold hard reality. Israel is not going to side with country who is friends with their archenemy who wants Israel dead. Sure Israel foreign policy is based on cold har realpolitik over moral concerns for Christians.
But theirs not surprising. Welcome to the new multipolar world.
We are back to the 1800s.


As I said before, Israel is looking out for itself. They're not a friend to anyone else as much as a temporary ally when it suits them.
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:19 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/turkey-leads-new-atrocities-against-armenians/amp/#aoh=16038367786846&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

And now they're bombing churches. After indiscriminately bombing towns and cities, they're targeting churches.

This isn't a war. It's extermination.


I’m certain that’s a crime against humanity or war crime. Attacking places of worship is strictly forbidden in war.

But the UN isn’t going to be able to do jack shit, which is very infuriating.
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/turkey-leads-new-atrocities-against-armenians/amp/#aoh=16038367786846&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

And now they're bombing churches. After indiscriminately bombing towns and cities, they're targeting churches.

This isn't a war. It's extermination.


Qur’ân: “Protect mosques, churches, synagogues and temples everywhere.”
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Armenia used cluster Smerch missile in Barda. 4 civilians, including 2 years old baby girl killed. 13 civilians wounded. No words to say, killers should be ashamed. money with blood on it is not more important than human life !
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Armenia used cluster Smerch missile in Barda. 4 civilians, including 2 years old baby girl killed. 13 civilians wounded. No words to say, killers should be ashamed. money with blood on it is not more important than human life !


Indeed the killers should be ashamed, but interesting you fail to mention the killers on your side. Both sides have done bad things, but Armenians are most at risk, given the are on the losing side.
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Armenia used cluster Smerch missile in Barda. 4 civilians, including 2 years old baby girl killed. 13 civilians wounded. No words to say, killers should be ashamed. money with blood on it is not more important than human life !


This also is deplorable. Allah rest their souls.
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Insaanistan wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/turkey-leads-new-atrocities-against-armenians/amp/#aoh=16038367786846&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

And now they're bombing churches. After indiscriminately bombing towns and cities, they're targeting churches.

This isn't a war. It's extermination.


Qur’ân: “Protect mosques, churches, synagogues and temples everywhere.”
Turkey and Azerbaijan: Image


The Quran: "All races are equal."

Turkey: "So Arabs are inferior monkeys and killing Armenians is generally good, right?"
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Postby Novus America » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:09 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Armenia used cluster Smerch missile in Barda. 4 civilians, including 2 years old baby girl killed. 13 civilians wounded. No words to say, killers should be ashamed. money with blood on it is not more important than human life !


This also is deplorable. Allah rest their souls.


Indeed. The world is not black vs white, just different shades of dark grey. But it is fair to note Armenians are at greater risk, given their disadvantageous position. Being most at risk does not mean their government is always good though.
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Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/turkey-leads-new-atrocities-against-armenians/amp/#aoh=16038367786846&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

And now they're bombing churches. After indiscriminately bombing towns and cities, they're targeting churches.

This isn't a war. It's extermination.


I’m certain that’s a crime against humanity or war crime. Attacking places of worship is strictly forbidden in war.

But the UN isn’t going to be able to do jack shit, which is very infuriating.


I hope im not living through the end of Armenia. Knowing 2020, the year ends with Azerbaijan, Turkey and ISIS the Turkish Free Syrian Army turning Armenia into a crater and erasing all traces of Armenians from existence.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:11 pm

Novus America wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
This also is deplorable. Allah rest their souls.


Indeed. The world is not black vs white, just different shades of dark grey. But it is fair to not Armenians are at greater risk, given their disadvantageous position. Being most at risk does not mean their government is always good though.


The Azeri government may be racist pieces of garbage but the Azeri civilians don't deserve to die. Innocent people are being blown to bits and the world is once again silent.
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