Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict: The Great Betrayal

[The Huskar Social Union]

I'm now convinced you've never seen someone die or known someone who was murdered, cause as someone who has I abhor senseless bloodshed.

People are too soft in today's era which really annoys me. The war against the Islamic State I'd call a real war in terms of intensity, numbers, and displacement of forces. This in comparison is a low intensity conflict that is quite minor. I'd say the people in the militaries of their respective nations, knew what they signed up for and can handle a bit of sacrifice or tragedy.

Go fight then.


Go on, show everyone how brave and manly you are. Hop on a flight to Yerevan and volunteer.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Just a friendly reminder that the most ardent war hawks who denounce "Weakness in todays society" tend to be utter cowards who wouldnt dare put themselves in danger.

[Salus Maior]

Go fight then.


Go on, show everyone how brave and manly you are. Hop on a flight to Yerevan and volunteer.

Tfw I would do that unironically if I had any military ability and could speak/understand Armenian.

[SD_Film Artists]

If Azerbaijan invades all of Armenia however, Armenia should fight to the last; being that the conflict will turn existential in nature.

There'll be no need to, since Russia would then get involved.

[Saiwania]

Go fight then. Go on, show everyone how brave and manly you are. Hop on a flight to Yerevan and volunteer.

The US military doesn't consider me to be fit for military service, why would Armenia's? I'm not a citizen of Armenia and otherwise have no real ties to that nation. It is not my place to participate in the conflict either way. This doesn't preclude me from favoring a side if I so choose. I happened to pick Armenia as which faction I wanted to win.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/09/02/is ... trys-army/

[The Huskar Social Union]

Go fight then. Go on, show everyone how brave and manly you are. Hop on a flight to Yerevan and volunteer.

The US military doesn't consider me to be fit for military service, why would Armenia's? I'm not a citizen of Armenia and otherwise have no real ties to that nation. It is not my place to participate in the conflict either way. This doesn't preclude me from favoring a side if I so choose. I happened to pick Armenia as which faction I wanted to win.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/09/02/is ... trys-army/

Dont yammer on about wanting total war and thousands to die then

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

If the military situation is hopeless for Armenia...

It ain't over 'til it's over.

Voice of Justice

[Salus Maior]

It ain't over 'til it's over.

Voice of Justice

Considering nothing approaching justice has come out of anything you've said this entire thread, I'm just going to assume that this is more ethnonationalist trash and save myself a click.

[SD_Film Artists]

The US military doesn't consider me to be fit for military service, why would Armenia's? I'm not a citizen of Armenia and otherwise have no real ties to that nation. It is not my place to participate in the conflict either way. This doesn't preclude me from favoring a side if I so choose. I happened to pick Armenia as which faction I wanted to win.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/09/02/is ... trys-army/

Dont yammer on about wanting total war and thousands to die then

You don't have to be a player to be a good commentator.

[Saiwania]

Dont yammer on about wanting total war and thousands to die then

I still believe and stand by what I've posted. War is war to me. Typically in warfare some causalties are to be expected. There doesn't have to be a high amount of attrition between two side but if there is, I won't exactly mind either. In a way, this is how wars are meant to be.

[Albionist Great Britain]

It ain't over 'til it's over.

Voice of fascism

FTFY

[Baltenstein]

Voice of Justice

Considering nothing approaching justice has come out of anything you've said this entire thread, I'm just going to assume that this is more ethnonationalist trash and save myself a click.

It's a music video whose gist seems to be "Türkiye strong, gib Karabakh". Hands up anybody who is surprised, oh look, it's nobody.

The one thing I found interesting though is that, if you compare that video with the earlier Armenian videos, it really drives home the fact that, ultimately, the region is little more than a bunch of barely fertile rocks. Which makes it even sadder that people are so determined to kill each other over it.

[Andsed]

Go fight then. Go on, show everyone how brave and manly you are. Hop on a flight to Yerevan and volunteer.

The US military doesn't consider me to be fit for military service, why would Armenia's? I'm not a citizen of Armenia and otherwise have no real ties to that nation. It is not my place to participate in the conflict either way. This doesn't preclude me from favoring a side if I so choose. I happened to pick Armenia as which faction I wanted to win.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/09/02/is ... trys-army/

Supporting a side is one thing, saying you want to see a war continue to fulfill some sick fantasy you have is a whole other thing that is just disgusting.

[Salus Maior]

Considering nothing approaching justice has come out of anything you've said this entire thread, I'm just going to assume that this is more ethnonationalist trash and save myself a click.

It's a music video whose gist seems to be "Türkiye strong, gib Karabakh". Hands up anybody who is surprised, oh look, it's nobody.

The one thing I found interesting though is that, if you compare that video with the earlier Armenian videos, it really drives home the fact that, ultimately, the region is little more than a bunch of barely fertile rocks. Which makes it even sadder that people are so determined to kill each other over it.

Lebensraum.

[Aureumterra III]

It ain't over 'til it's over.

Voice of Justice

Turkey stronk!

On a more serious note, you’re falling for blatant propaganda videos here

[Duvniask]

Considering nothing approaching justice has come out of anything you've said this entire thread, I'm just going to assume that this is more ethnonationalist trash and save myself a click.

It's a music video whose gist seems to be "Türkiye strong, gib Karabakh". Hands up anybody who is surprised, oh look, it's nobody.

The one thing I found interesting though is that, if you compare that video with the earlier Armenian videos, it really drives home the fact that, ultimately, the region is little more than a bunch of barely fertile rocks. Which makes it even sadder that people are so determined to kill each other over it.

Home is home, whether it's the Armenian Highlands or the flattest plains of Kansas.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Voice of Justice

Turkey stronk!

On a more serious note, you’re falling for blatant propaganda videos here

Considering how he’s fully complacent, and how supportive of the Azeri ultranationalists he is, I don’t think he’s merely ‘falling’ for it.

[Insaanistan]

(I know I already posted this, but)
Me: Don’t worry, I won’t get political.
Me one Kiymali Kol Borëgi, 23 baklavas and 11 ayrans later:

[Albionist Great Britain]

(I know I already posted this, but)
Me: Don’t worry, I won’t get political.
Me one Kiymali Kol Borëgi, 23 baklavas and 11 ayrans later:
(Image)

The only good Ottoman Empire is one stricken down, torn apart and its grave unmarked. We should’ve done more to put that old bitch and its offspring down when we had the chance.

[Kowani]

(I know I already posted this, but)
Me: Don’t worry, I won’t get political.
Me one Kiymali Kol Borëgi, 23 baklavas and 11 ayrans later:
(Image)

Except, you know...Turkey and Azerbaijan are like the closest thing to "the bad guys" here.

[New Visayan Islands]

(I know I already posted this, but)
Me: Don’t worry, I won’t get political.
Me one Kiymali Kol Borëgi, 23 baklavas and 11 ayrans later:
(Image)

The only good Ottoman Empire is one stricken down, torn apart and its grave unmarked. We should’ve done more to put that old bitch and its offspring down when we had the chance.

I'm pretty sure we told you to tone down the charged statements last time. Consider this an informal warning for trolling.

Everyone else: Regardless of who the aggressor is, let's not stoop to demonization.

Thanks!
NVI

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

(I know I already posted this, but)
Me: Don’t worry, I won’t get political.
Me one Kiymali Kol Borëgi, 23 baklavas and 11 ayrans later:
(Image)

The only good Ottoman Empire is one stricken down, torn apart and its grave unmarked. We should’ve done more to put that old bitch and its offspring down when we had the chance.

Albionist, wrong right every idea is worth discussing but I think it should be done according to 21st century social democratic values. you're talking like government supporters in Turkey. this makes me sad

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'm now convinced you've never seen someone die or known someone who was murdered, cause as someone who has I abhor senseless bloodshed.

People are too soft in today's era which really annoys me. The war against the Islamic State I'd call a real war in terms of intensity, numbers, and displacement of forces. This in comparison is a low intensity conflict that is quite minor. I'd say the people in the militaries of their respective nations, knew what they signed up for and can handle a bit of sacrifice or tragedy.

Meanwhile civilians are getting blown up and its only been a week and hundreds are already dead.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Turkey stronk!

On a more serious note, you’re falling for blatant propaganda videos here

Considering how he’s fully complacent, and how supportive of the Azeri ultranationalists he is, I don’t think he’s merely ‘falling’ for it.

Turkey is claiming that everyone else (Greece, the Kurds, Armenia, Syria) is the bad guy, but in fact they're the ones aggressive, as are their allies.

[Transjlwanja]

Describing the current regimes in Azerbaijan or Turkey as "fascist" is an insult to actual Fascists TBH. What do they have to do w/ Giovanni Gentile?



Are Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland legitimately British? If so, how are British claims to those territories legitimate but not Azeri claims over Nagorno-Karabakh? Why are Turks "rats" but not Anglos?

Depending on some potential referendums and polls the UK claims over places like Scotland and Northern Ireland may not be legitimate. With Nagorno-Karabakh the majority in the region dont want to be part of Azerbaijan and so their claim is not legitimate. The same would apply to Scotland and Norther Ireland if the majority in those regions voted that way.

Do you believe that referenda or demographics are what makes a country legitimate? How far are you willing to take this principle? Should a (hypothetically) majority Somali neighborhood of Stockholm be able to unilaterally secede to from an independent Somali republic, for instance?

Are Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland legitimately British? If so, how are British claims to those territories legitimate but not Azeri claims over Nagorno-Karabakh? Why are Turks "rats" but not Anglos?

Because Wales, Scotland, and NI all consent to being in union with Britain. There's also the matter that Britain is not ethnically cleansing said places.

Although with Scotland that might change.

Both sides have committed ethnic cleansing in the conflict under discussion. Britain arguably committed ethnic cleansing in the past (though to be fair that ended decades ago, & Britain isn't currently blatantly hateful towards other ethnicities like Azerbaijan is).

I’ve given up trying to explain; people just use "fascist" to refer to everything they don’t like, both the left and the right. If you read out actual fascist beliefs without mentioning the name of the ideology, 9/10 Americans would say that sounds like "far left socializm"

It's more about whether a regime hits the same or similar beats as the historical Fascists rather than if they're ideologically pure Fascists.

That being said, iirc Mussolini did point to Ataturk's Turkey as an example of certain fascist concepts being successful.

Ataturk's Turkey was & is admired by plenty of liberals & secularists as well.

If the military situation is hopeless for Armenia- I'm now in favor of Nagorno-Karabakh being ceded to Azerbaijan, in exchange for all residents there being allowed to voluntarily relocate into Armenia proper. They're going to want to anyways, being that they identify more with Armenia but will suffer under Azerbaijan's rule if they stay.

I see this as a good basis for an armistice if both nations will get some of what they want. But Azerbaijan will unfortunately be given the disputed land if they've proven to be the victor at this point.

If Azerbaijan invades all of Armenia however, Armenia should fight to the last; being that the conflict will turn existential in nature.

Armenians already see the conflict as existential; Nagorno-Karabakh's Armenians aren't leaving w/o a fight.

Voice of Justice

Considering nothing approaching justice has come out of anything you've said this entire thread, I'm just going to assume that this is more ethnonationalist trash and save myself a click.

You claim to be against ethnonationalism. How do you reconcile this w/ support for one of the most blatant ethno-states there is (Armenia)? IIRC, you've made the same sort of ethnonationalist arguments in this thread in support of Artsakh & Armenian that were used to dismember your beloved Austria-Hungary.

(I know I already posted this, but)
Me: Don’t worry, I won’t get political.
Me one Kiymali Kol Borëgi, 23 baklavas and 11 ayrans later:
(Image)

The only good Ottoman Empire is one stricken down, torn apart and its grave unmarked. We should’ve done more to put that old bitch and its offspring down when we had the chance.

Ottoman History didn't begin in 1915. The Ottoman's Empire's record as a whole is little worse than that of the British Empire.

Considering how he’s fully complacent, and how supportive of the Azeri ultranationalists he is, I don’t think he’s merely ‘falling’ for it.

Turkey is claiming that everyone else (Greece, the Kurds, Armenia, Syria) is the bad guy, but in fact they're the ones aggressive, as are their allies.

Probably not best to bring the Kurds into this if you support Armenia, seeing as the Kurds claim to have suffered ethnic cleansing under the Armenians.